Racism

Started by FistOfThe North215 pages

Originally posted by Fishy
Sp what you are saying here is that 90% of all blacks hypocritical racists bastards that have things against whites, without reason.

Making them ignorant idiotic bastards.

And why the hell shouldn't white people be allowed to say ******, black people are niggers aren't they?

I don't think it's without reason. They're definitely not just saying that they face racism just to B.S. anyone. Everyone knows most Blacks more than anyone else in this country have faced some form of racism from Whites over skin color.

And I doesn't make them ignorant idiotic bastards. Like I said it just makes them paranoid.

Whites can say whatever they want. It's just after saying the "N" word, they can't say that things have changed, that things have gotten better, cause they're the ones who'll look like ignorant idiotic hypocritical bastards.

Well if a black man truly thinks that all whites are racist, then they indeed are racist.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Well if a black man truly thinks that all whites are racist, then they indeed are racist.

Not true. Again, to paraprase, racism is the belief that ones race is superior to another.

That Blacks think all Whites are racist is not racist.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Well if a black man truly thinks that all whites are racist, then they indeed are racist.
Unless they think they are superior to whites no, they would just be prejudice.

I can only speak for myself (as a black woman) that I don't think "all" white people are racist. But I do believe just like you have racist white people, you have racist black people. I had a friend who wanted nothing to do with white people. Didn't want to be where they were, didn't want them talking to her, didn't want us (her friends) talking to them. So it got to the point we stopped asking her to go with us anywhere and we told her why.
My belief is racism will always be around. People keep saying it's getting better. I don't know about that but I just "try" not to let it bother me. I deal with people who want to deal with me regardless of race. If you don't like me because I'm black that's fine, just stay away from me.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
Unless they think they are superior to whites no, they would just be prejudice.

Racism also applies to believing that there are innate differences between the races because of their race. So if a black thinks that someone is racist simply because he is race, then yes, he is racist. And prejudice. It's kind of like the whole all ants are insects, but not all insects are ants analogy.

Originally posted by Kinneary
Racism also applies to believing that there are innate differences between the races because of their race. So if a black thinks that someone is racist simply because he is race, then yes, he is racist. And prejudice. It's kind of like the whole all ants are insects, but not all insects are ants analogy.
That is what everyone is trying to imply with the term racism but by the definition of racism it means that you would believe that your race is superior to the other. What you are talking about is more stereotyping then prejudice.

Racism is a prejudice based on race...

Main Entry: rac·ism
Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-
Function: noun
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
- rac·ist /-sist also -shist/ noun or adjective
http://m-w.com/dictionary/racism

Originally posted by Kinneary
Racism also applies to believing that there are innate differences between the races because of their race. So if a black thinks that someone is racist simply because he is race, then yes, he is racist. And prejudice. It's kind of like the whole all ants are insects, but not all insects are ants analogy.
Exactly, they're racist.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Exactly, they're racist.
Well one of the problems strictly going by the dictionary is that it will also use the common meaning of the word, if everyone started calling a duck a dog eventually they would put that in the dictionary as well. I can find a crap load of reference that say that is superior but I'm not going to get into this type of debate again because it is pointless. I will just use this link. Your example is nothing to do with racism but stereotyping, I could say that all black are good at basketball which would be the same as yours but that is not racism but stereotyping.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3Aracism&btnG=Google+Search

It's a sham distinction, sorry.

Main Entry: 2stereotype
Function: noun
Etymology: French stéréotype, from stéré- stere- + type
1 : a plate cast from a printing surface
2 : something conforming to a fixed or general pattern; especially : a standardized mental picture that is held in common by members of a group and that represents an oversimplified opinion, prejudiced attitude, or uncritical judgment
- ste·reo·typ·i·cal /"ster-E-&-'ti-pi-k&l/ also ste·reo·typ·ic /-pik/ adjective
- ste·reo·typ·i·cal·ly /-pi-k(&-)lE/ adverb
http://m-w.com/dictionary/stereotype

Originally posted by Creshosk
It's a sham distinction, sorry.

Main Entry: 2stereotype
Function: noun
Etymology: French stéréotype, from stéré- stere- + type
1 : a plate cast from a printing surface
2 : something conforming to a fixed or general pattern; especially : a standardized mental picture that is held in common by members of a group and that represents an oversimplified opinion, prejudiced attitude, or uncritical judgment
- ste·reo·typ·i·cal /"ster-E-&-'ti-pi-k&l/ also ste·reo·typ·ic /-pik/ adjective
- ste·reo·typ·i·cal·ly /-pi-k(&-)lE/ adverb
http://m-w.com/dictionary/stereotype


No it is not, and don't you know any other reference sites? I already stated why dictionaries are not reliable. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=define😖tereotype&spell=1

So for you stereotype = prejudice = racism? 😆

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
No it is not, and don't you know any other reference sites? I already stated why dictionaries are not reliable. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=define😖tereotype&spell=1

So for you stereotype = prejudice = racism? 😆

Dictionaries are not reliable?

What a crock.

Just because you don't like what words mean is no reason to try and defend using them incorrectly.

"So for you stereotype = prejudice = racism? 😆 "

That's both strawman and equivocation.

Racism is a RACIAL prejudice.
There are Racial stereotypes out there as well. If they convey prejudice they are forms of racism. But not all prejudices are based on race.

Its like all cats are animals, but not all animals are cats.

Racism is a type of prejudice.
So too can stereotypes be.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Dictionaries are not reliable?

What a crock.

Just because you don't like what words mean is no reason to try and defend using them incorrectly.

"So for you stereotype = prejudice = racism? 😆 "

That's both strawman and equivocation.

Racism is a RACIAL prejudice.
There are Racial stereotypes out there as well. If they convey prejudice they are forms of racism. But not all prejudices are based on race.

Its like all cats are animals, but not all animals are cats.

Racism is a type of prejudice.
So too can stereotypes be.

They are not reliable because they will use the common misuse of the word or slang, as with my example if everyone started calling a duck a dog then you would soon see that also this as a new definition of a duck and using them as the sole base of your debate is not a solid base. I have posted two links to several and varied sources and the underlying definition in almost all of them is that racism is the belief or idea of your race being superior to the other. Does it also have similarities to prejudice and stereotyping, yes but it is not the same. Each word is similar but doesn't mean the same, each has their differences but they are different.

I get so tired of hearing "Strawman" logic, I wasn't even using it. I was pointing out how your idea that they all mean the same is 😆

I'm not going to debate over word semantics again because it is dumb and pointless and I'm not in the mood for a stupid debate right now. So have a good night. pitt_wave

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
They are not reliable because they will use the common misuse of the word or slang,
What a sweeping generalization that is.. You find one and then say they all do that.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
as with my example if everyone started calling a duck a dog then you would soon see that also this as a new definition of a duck and using them as the sole base of your debate is not a solid base.
Strawman arguments are better? Sweeping generalizations a sham distinctions are better than using logic? Nice.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
I have posted two links to several and varied sources and the underlying definition in almost all of them is that racism is the belief or idea of your race being superior to the other.
Its really a simplification that's the problem. Racism is seen to be a negative thing saying that another race is inherently racist is indirectly proclaiming your racce to be better because it is not.

That's why its a sham distinction.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
Does it also have similarities to prejudice and stereotyping, yes but it is not the same.
Racism is a type of prejudice is it not?

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
Each word is similar but doesn't mean the same, each has their differences but they are different.
Not completely however.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
I get so tired of hearing "Strawman" logic, I wasn't even using it.
So you didn't say in the for mof a rhetorical question that I said something I didn't say?

""So for you stereotype = prejudice = racism? 😆"

Oh wait, yes you did.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
I was pointing out how your idea that they all mean the same is 😆
Oh look, a strawman to defend a strawman. Keep it up and soon you'll have an army keeping you from having to adress my points. You'll have your own strawman army to fight so you can just ignore me. shrug

whats a strawman?

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
I'm not going to debate over word semantics again because it is dumb and pointless and I'm not in the mood for a stupid debate right now. So have a good night. pitt_wave
Then you should never have challenged the syntax of the other posters by telling them erroneously that they were using words incorrectly.

Don't start fights you don't want to get into.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
whats a strawman?

A strawman is an argument constructed through an alteration of the opponents argument, which exagerates it to the point where it is an entirely different argument. The creator of the strawman then asserts the new point is the point that their opponent made so they can attack the easily defeated strawman, thus ignoring/dodging the actual point their opponent made.

Originally posted by Creshosk
A strawman is an argument constructed through an alteration of the opponents argument, which exagerates it to the point where it is an entirely different argument. The creator of the strawman then asserts the new point is the point that their opponent made so they can attack the easily defeated strawman, thus ignoring/dodging the actual point their opponent made.
I gotcha. 😉

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
whats a strawman?
A word that people like to use to feel "smart". 😉

I have heard that over and over again and it is funny how those that use it use fallacies in their argument as well, oh well.

Again why they are not reliable and no I didn't make a sweeping generation.

"How does a word get into a Merriam-Webster dictionary?

This is one of the questions Merriam-Webster editors are most often asked.

The answer is simple: usage.
Tracking word usage

To decide which words to include in the dictionary and to determine what they mean, Merriam-Webster editors study the language as it's used. They carefully monitor which words people use most often and how they use them.

Each day most Merriam-Webster editors devote an hour or two to reading a cross section of published material, including books, newspapers, magazines, and electronic publications; in our office this activity is called "reading and marking." The editors scour the texts in search of new words, new usages of existing words, variant spellings, and inflected forms—in short, anything that might help in deciding if a word belongs in the dictionary, understanding what it means, and determining typical usage. Any word of interest is marked, along with surrounding context that offers insight into its form and use. "

http://www.m-w.com/help/faq/words_in.htm