Palpatine and the Force

Started by Schecter4 pages
Originally posted by cornponious

Always 2 there are, the master and the chimpanzee

fixed

Oh yes.

Originally posted by Gideon
Palpatine was simply powerful enough to conceal his Force connection.

i agree

Hm.

Bulldick.

Mace: "the dark side surrounds the chancellor"

And whole of Coruscant no doubt.

Originally posted by Sesse
Bulldick.

Mace: "the dark side surrounds the chancellor"

That's only because Palpatine allowed the Jedi to sense him since he's already setting them up to look like traitors in the eyes of the Senate and the galaxy.

"I must admit you are here sooner than expected..."

No. Wrong judgement did Palpatine make.

Scary man he was. Yes, very scary.

Originally posted by Smoki
i agree

"the dark side clouds everything"

"our ability to use the force has diminished"

so agree, or disagree...its still wrong

How do those quote contradict what Gideon (the person whom Smoky Bacon agreed with) was saying?

reading is fundamental.

As is reading comprehension.

"The dark side clouds everything."

"Palpatine was simply powerful enough to conceal his Force connection."

No contradiction. Palpatine was responsible for "the darkside cloud[ing] everything." Clouding = Concealing, in this context. His force connection comes under the umbrella of "everything." Not to mention, "everything" in this case is quite clearly hyperbolic.

"our ability to use the force has diminished"

"Palpatine was simply powerful enough to conceal his Force connection."

No contradiction. Diminishing the Jedi's ability to use the force would indirectly conceal Palpatine's force connection, given that it is diminishing their ability to sense his force connection.

So... you were saying?

he said that palpatine only masked his own force connection, which would directly imply that the jedi could still use the force with the same clarity, with the exception of being able to detect palpatine's power. this is of course untrue since, as i quoted, their ability to use the force was diminished.

its really simple if you stop and think about it, and aren't obsessed with winning the internets.

"Palpatine was simply powerful enough to conceal his Force connection."

Where's the "only" stated? Where's the "only" implied? I'll answer for you: nowhere. So, to recap, I'm winning the internets, and you're losing it.

you are made of win.

but...

Palpatine was simply powerful enough to conceal his Force connection.

he clearly implies that palpatine SIMPLY (as in: simply that he was powerful enough to conceal his force connection) did just that and only that.

reading is fundamental.

but hey, why let reality and the english language wreck your day? denial=win!

No trues!

Originally posted by Schecter
you are made of win.

but...

he clearly implies that palpatine SIMPLY (as in: simply that he was powerful enough to conceal his force connection) did just that and only that.

reading is fundamental.

but hey, why let reality and the english language wreck your day? denial=win!

No. The 'simply' is used to emphasise how powerful he was to do such a thing. It in no way speaks for whether or not the action stated down is direct or indirect. Go back to school, and learn how to say the alphabet. Or better yet, I know someone who teaches literacy, and he's looking for a student. I'd suggest contacting him.

"Hard to sense, the Dark Side is," says Yoda right from TPM, in direct response to the issue of why the Jedi could not sense the Sith if they were around.. Fairly much end of story.

Indeed.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
"Hard to sense, the Dark Side is," says Yoda right from TPM, in direct response to the issue of why the Jedi could not sense the Sith if they were around.. Fairly much end of story.

hard does not equal impossible. in ep1 till the beginning of ep2 its clear to yoda that he cannot sense the sith master's identity, supporting your statement. yet it is only later that yoda realises they the jedi are "blind". its not difficult at that point. its just downright impossible. if not for anakin's admission to mace, they likely would have been extinguished without a clue as to whodunnit.

its clear from the diologue that sidious does far more than mask his own presence. he outwardly affects and in essence hobbles the jedi's ability to do anything more than use their powers to defend themselves. mace makes it clear in ep3 that the jedi have become useless to the senate in his suggestion to yoda that they admit their folly, and implies resignation.

in other words, its not just the source which is masked but rather all that the sith influences. the senate, the republic army, the federation...pretty much everything that exists outside of their order.

simply put, again: "the darkside clouds everything "