Originally posted by SpookySmurph
Meh. I don't think all comic villains deserve to die, but I think that there are some who certainly should. I think, if this was a real world, where people like Joker, Magneto and Doom run amok, killing who they please, I doubt that many people would feel remorse after their deaths. Not neccessarily putting them on the electric chair, but if a hero kills them, not something to cry about... if we had as many Hitler-level villains as exist in comics... people would feel less sorry for one of them being put down.When Wonder Woman killed Max Lord, when Ult. Xavier seemed to finally deal with Ult. Mags, if Rorschach, Doc Manhattan or Nite Owl had taken down
Spoiler:before he executed his plan, I didn't and wouldn't place any blame on them.
OzymandiasThat being said, I don't think Spidey should execute Rhino in their next fight.
Originally posted by NewjakI'm not saying you want to be more moral so to speak but maybe your not willing to take that sin onto yourself for the greater good. Maybe your not willing to shoulder that responsibility.
Then while he threatened Innocents I would stop him everything I am up to killing him.I can not take life no matter what and honestly this has nothing to do with me wanting to be more moral than the next guy I truly do not believe in killing.
And by you I don't literally mean you but people that wouldn't kill to save!
What if someone was coming at your son with a knife and you had a gun over a hundred yards away with a perfect shot? Would you shoot him to save your son?
Or any one else for that matter?
What if they were about to release a virus of biblical proportions and the only way to stop it is to pull the trigger and take the sin of their murder onto yourown soul?
And yes I realise there are allot of what ifs in that but this is a hypothetical conversation right!
Damn bottem of the page...
Originally posted by darthgoober
I honestly don't think a hero killing a villain is THAT big of a deal. I mean if I saw a thug trying to mug an old lady and intervened and in the ensuing fight the thug was killed would that mean that I should be prosecuted for it? The villains are typically TRYING to kill the hero and/or others in the area, so most of the time it would fall under the heading of Justifiable Homicide. Now I don't think that the hero should go and kill the villain in cold blood after he's beaten, but killing him during the fight is fair game IMO.
Originally posted by CreshoskExcept I wasn't wrong you said factually any murder that took place after I stopped a villain would be on my hand when it isn't.
Actually its the word indirectly that I was looking at. 🙂Wanna try the lightning round? WHo knows you might get lucky. but then you might be as wrong as you've been in this thread. 😉
And believe it or not you can not be held accountable by other people's actions if you did not aid them.
Stopping them and then turning them over to the athurities or rather saving someone's life while not taking theirs is not aiding them.
Originally posted by EntityYeah I know what you mean.
I'm not saying you want to be more moral so to speak but maybe your not willing to take that sin onto yourself for the greater good. Maybe your not willing to shoulder that responsibility.And by you I don't literally mean you but people that wouldn't kill to save!
What if someone was coming at your son with a knife and you had a gun over a hundred yards away with a perfect shot? Would you shoot him to save your son?
Or any one else for that matter?
What if they were about to release a virus of biblical proportions and the only way to stop it is to pull the trigger and take the sin of their murder onto yourown soul?And yes I realise there are allot of what ifs in that but this is a hypothetical conversation right!
I would shoot him yes or I would attack him yes.
Now let's get something straight I do not mean if it came down to fact the guy was absolutely about to kill someone I wouldn't stop him. I protect those people who can not defend themselves but I can not kill someone as in kill them.
Because I wouldn't let someone get killed I would protect them with my own life.
Originally posted by NewjakOh are you still trying for that?
Except I wasn't wrong you said factually any murder that took place after I stopped a villain would be on my hand when it isn't.
I'm sorry is that pesky word indirectly keeping you from being right you have to discard it?
Yeah.. it does prove you wrong doesn't it? 🙂
Originally posted by NewjakBecause there are no such things as accesories right?
And believe it or not you can not be held accountable by other people's actions if you did not aid them.
I hire someone to kill someone else, both people wind up dead. I'm innocent right? I mean I didn't help them kill the other person. 🙂
Originally posted by NewjakRight, it's assault.. probably more... but hey who cares that by doing that you're still commiting a crime anyway? 😉
Stopping them and then turning them over to the athurities or rather saving someone's life while not taking theirs is not aiding them.
Originally posted by HueyFreeman
I have a solution. Why dont we just take the killer and cut off both their hands, and one foot.
There now Newjaks happy because they wont be killed and Creshosk's happy because the odds of them killing again are slim.
But the odds are still there. That's infinetly higher than if we took off the head instead 😉
Nope looks like killing them is the only possible solution. We should do that for everything.
Originally posted by CreshoskTrying for what the fact you are trying to say I would responsible for murders that haven't happened yeah 🙂
Oh are you still trying for that?I'm sorry is that pesky word indirectly keeping you from being right you have to discard it?
Yeah.. it does prove you wrong doesn't it? 🙂
Because there are no such things as accesories right?
I hire someone to kill someone else, both people wind up dead. I'm innocent right? I mean I didn't help them kill the other person. 🙂
Right, it's assault.. probably more... but hey who cares that by doing that you're still commiting a crime anyway? 😉
Yeah you hire someone that is aiding. I don't remember the last time someone was said to be aiding a killer by letting them live 🙂
I guess those cops that didn't shoot Bundy dead when they got him first time should be ashamed of themselves 🙂
Hey at least I didn't kill them 😛
Originally posted by NewjakWanna try again skippy? I'm sure if you ignore the context hard enough it'll become true.
Trying for what the fact you are trying to say I would responsible for murders that haven't happened yeah 🙂
Originally posted by NewjakOnly if you pay up front.
Yeah you hire someone that is aiding.
Originally posted by NewjakYou haven't done much research into this subject so that's understandable. 🙂
I don't remember the last time someone was said to be aiding a killer by letting them live 🙂
Originally posted by NewjakMeh, they picked him up on a traffic charge and suspicious activity. They didn't know it was him.
I guess those cops that didn't shoot Bundy dead when they got him first time should be ashamed of themselves 🙂
Originally posted by NewjakOh that would have een tragic... they were a serial killer right? Or were they just some other criminal.
Hey at least I didn't kill them 😛
I want to make sure we're not upholding yours or Symettric Chaos's foolish equivocation or strawman. Cause that's a highly illogical thing to do.
No offense since you seem to like to equivocate so much...
Originally posted by Creshosk
Wanna try again skippy? I'm sure if you ignore the context hard enough it'll become true.Only if you pay up front.
You haven't done much research into this subject so that's understandable. 🙂
Meh, they picked him up on a traffic charge and suspicious activity. They didn't know it was him.
Oh that would have een tragic... they were a serial killer right? Or were they just some other criminal.
I want to make sure we're not upholding yours or Symettric Chaos's foolish equivocation or strawman. Cause that's a highly illogical thing to do.
No offense since you seem to like to equivocate so much...
And yet I'm not the one trying to force the idea down my throat that I would responsible for people's death's.
No but when is the last time you have heard of someone being brought up on charges of letting a convicted killer live 🙂
Oh I'm so sorry I guess I can kill a serial killer all I want and thats ok but when I say I would stop them from you know killing someone or stop them from hurting someone then I guess I'm just a bad person who needs to be brought up on charges of assault. You keep making less and less sense man.
And no offense you like to seem to prove why I should kill said bad guy for some reason for no other reason then you feel it is the right thing to do 🙂
Originally posted by Bransolute
The thing that I've never gotten, is how WW is so shunned after she killed Max Lord.
If she hadn't, Superman would have killed her, and half the heroes on the world before falling to Batman's foot.
Plus, it's not like she's the first hero to kill someone.
srug Maybe it's because she's a woman.
Originally posted by NewjakNo, just that we're hypocrites for judging yours but we can't judge yours while you judge ours.
And yet I'm not the one trying to force the idea down my throat that I would responsible for people's death's.
Originally posted by NewjakThat's called being an accessory. 🙂
No but when is the last time you have heard of someone being brought up on charges of letting a convicted killer live 🙂
Originally posted by NewjakJust mirroring you. 🙂
Oh I'm so sorry I guess I can kill a serial killer all I want and thats ok but when I say I would stop them from you know killing someone or stop them from hurting someone then I guess I'm just a bad person who needs to be brought up on charges of assault. You keep making less and less sense man.
Originally posted by NewjakYes because protecting people isn't in the iterest of the greater good.
And no offense you like to seem to prove why I should kill said bad guy for some reason for no other reason then you feel it is the right thing to do 🙂