It would be tantamount to a fight between an African Bull Elephant (Superman Prime from DC1M) and your common garden toad (Emo Prime).
Emo Prime is the shi* compared to current Kryptonians, but he is nothing compared to SMPrime1M. Superman Prime (the real one) was already said to be the most powerful meta, and that was before he went into the Sun for all those years.
Originally posted by spetznazExcept for the fact that Goldie has almost no feats. srsly
It would be tantamount to a fight between an African Bull Elephant (Superman Prime from DC1M) and your common garden toad (Emo Prime).Emo Prime is the shi* compared to current Kryptonians, but he is nothing compared to SMPrime1M. Superman Prime (the real one) was already said to be the most powerful meta, and that was before he went into the Sun for all those years.
Originally posted by spetznaz*sighs* How does that even relate to what I'm saying? 😕
Well, Ganthet of Oa has 'almost no feats.'
Wolverine has an @$$ load of feats.Who would win in a bout?
SBP = A planet pushing, dimension busting, retcon punching, GL slaughtering, beast of a character.
Goldie beat a burnt out Solaris, and gave the SD some of their powers, [minus the 5-D powers of course] -- Good stuff, sure.
Is it enough to give him the win against a character with the more superior/confirmed feats? No, imo.
Originally posted by Galan007
*sighs* How does that even relate to what I'm saying? 😕SBP = A planet pushing, dimension busting, retcon punching, GL slaughtering, beast of a character.
Goldie beat a burnt out Solaris, and gave the SD some of their powers, [minus the 5-D powers of course] -- Good stuff, sure.
Is it enough to give him the win against a character with the more superior/confirmed feats? No, imo.
Oh, how does it relate to what you are saying? Well, it relates because you said the following:
'Except for the fact that Goldie has almost no feats. '
I was trying to show the inefficacy of basing your argument on the fact that the character has ALMOST no feats.
Thus, Ganthet has ALMOST no feats, and some of them are actually allusions to something (e.g. he has the willpower to crack the Earth with a thought, yet he did not do it), yet a character like Wolverine has all sorts of feats. Thus based on the 'no feats' aspect (which has been cropping up every now and then), Wolverine should be Ganthet's superior.
Second of all, you state that Emo Prime is a retcon punching, dimension busting, etc etc etc Flash blitzing etc etc etc all-superhero-on-earth-crushing etc etc etc super-aging, hyper-tear-duct-enabled etc etc etc character.
Well, that is true. Very true.
Emo Prime is all that and a bucket of tears!
No argument there.
However, like some people tend to do, you are focusing on one character's traits and forgeting (or overlooking) those of the other. It does NOT matter how powerful character A is if character B is more powerful than that.
Think of it this way:
1) Superman Prime (the real one, not Emo Prime) came back to Earth after wandering for 68,000 years, during which DC EXPLICITLY states that he gathered powers far beyond those of ANY metahuman. He was already beyond power.
2) Then he made the covenant with his descendants, that for as long as they will abide he will bestow upon them far greater powers. NOW, his descendants by that time already had vast powers due to the 5th dimension imps, but Prime gave them powers FAR beyond those.
(YET YOU SAY ALL HE DID IS GIVE THEM SOME OF HIS POWERS ....that is a weak argument that i honestly did not expect from you. Others, but not you .....unless, ofcourse, you never read DC1Million).
Take Superman 1 Million for example ....when he came to our time line, away from Superman Prime's influence and power link, he INSTANTLY started to lose power. Now, he was still vastly more powerful than 'normal' Superman, but he was ebbing. He states so SEVERAL times.
To a point whereby he even doubts he can make the leap from the Earth to the Moon (and he keeps on saying how distance away from Prime is weakening him)
Finally, when he PUNCHES (since you like dimension breaking punches so much), from the 21st century to the 853rd century ....hmmm, breaking the time dimension anyone ....he becomes so drained that he ages to an inch of his death. Yet when he breaks through, and encounters Prime's power link, he is instantly made whole and back to his apex.
Yet you say all Prime did is give them ....what did you say ....'some' power?!?
Weak.
3) Finally, after Prime came back from his 68,000 years of wondering, and after he made the covenant, he went inside the fortress of solitude (that happened to be at the heart of the Sun ....oh, and i wonder what a yellow sun does to Kryptonians) where he stayed for 15,000 years.
Now, we know what a sun DIP does to a normal kryptonian. We saw what happened with All-Star Superman.
I wonder what would happen when a Kryptonian who, before he goes into the sun is already per DC 'beyond any meta,' goes into the sun for 15 THOUSAND YEARS.
Hmmm ...I wonder if he might ....just be ...able to push a planet? Maybe a tiny one? Or if he might be able to blitz a Flash? Or if he might be able to ....oh my goodness ....'slaughter a Gl' since you listed 'Gl slaughtering' as one of the penchants of Emo Prime? Or if he just might be able to punch through a dimension (particularly since someone under his power aegis managed to punch over 832 centuries into the future) ....maybe Prime might ....just might ....be able to punch a few seconds into the future.
And when DC states Prime as being the most powerful of the Superman dynasty, and not just in DC1M but also in All-Star, then maybe the writers must have forgotten about Emo Prime (maybe that is why the poor kid is always crying ....he feels overlooked by DC. They even destroyed his entire planet, and had him locked away in a pocket dimension where the only way out was to punch through and raise poor dead Jason from the dead in the process).
Seriously though, you cannot compare Emo Prime with Superman Prime.
Originally posted by spetznazAn enormous post, that didn't answer a single thing. srsly
Oh, how does it relate to what you are saying? Well, it relates because you said the following:'Except for the fact that Goldie has almost no feats. '
I was trying to show the inefficacy of basing your argument on the fact that the character has ALMOST no feats.
Thus, Ganthet has ALMOST no feats, and some of them are actually allusions to something (e.g. he has the willpower to crack the Earth with a thought, yet he did not do it), yet a character like Wolverine has all sorts of feats. Thus based on the 'no feats' aspect (which has been cropping up every now and then), Wolverine should be Ganthet's superior.
Second of all, you state that Emo Prime is a retcon punching, dimension busting, etc etc etc Flash blitzing etc etc etc all-superhero-on-earth-crushing etc etc etc super-aging, hyper-tear-duct-enabled etc etc etc character.
Well, that is true. Very true.
Emo Prime is all that and a bucket of tears!
No argument there.
However, like some people tend to do, you are focusing on one character's traits and forgeting (or overlooking) those of the other. It does NOT matter how powerful character A is if character B is more powerful than that.
Think of it this way:
1) Superman Prime (the real one, not Emo Prime) came back to Earth after wandering for 68,000 years, during which DC EXPLICITLY states that he gathered powers far beyond those of ANY metahuman. He was already beyond power.
2) Then he made the covenant with his descendants, that for as long as they will abide he will bestow upon them far greater powers. NOW, his descendants by that time already had vast powers due to the 5th dimension imps, but Prime gave them powers FAR beyond those.
(YET YOU SAY ALL HE DID IS GIVE THEM SOME OF HIS POWERS ....that is a weak argument that i honestly did not expect from you. Others, but not you .....unless, ofcourse, you never read DC1Million).Take Superman 1 Million for example ....when he came to our time line, away from Superman Prime's influence and power link, he INSTANTLY started to lose power. Now, he was still vastly more powerful than 'normal' Superman, but he was ebbing. He states so SEVERAL times.
To a point whereby he even doubts he can make the leap from the Earth to the Moon (and he keeps on saying how distance away from Prime is weakening him)
Finally, when he PUNCHES (since you like dimension breaking punches so much), from the 21st century to the 853rd century ....hmmm, breaking the time dimension anyone ....he becomes so drained that he ages to an inch of his death. Yet when he breaks through, and encounters Prime's power link, he is instantly made whole and back to his apex.
Yet you say all Prime did is give them ....what did you say ....'some' power?!?
Weak.3) Finally, after Prime came back from his 68,000 years of wondering, and after he made the covenant, he went inside the fortress of solitude (that happened to be at the heart of the Sun ....oh, and i wonder what a yellow sun does to Kryptonians) where he stayed for 15,000 years.
Now, we know what a sun DIP does to a normal kryptonian. We saw what happened with All-Star Superman.
I wonder what would happen when a Kryptonian who, before he goes into the sun is already per DC 'beyond any meta,' goes into the sun for 15 THOUSAND YEARS.Hmmm ...I wonder if he might ....just be ...able to push a planet? Maybe a tiny one? Or if he might be able to blitz a Flash? Or if he might be able to ....oh my goodness ....'slaughter a Gl' since you listed 'Gl slaughtering' as one of the penchants of Emo Prime? Or if he just might be able to punch through a dimension (particularly since someone under his power aegis managed to punch over 832 centuries into the future) ....maybe Prime might ....just might ....be able to punch a few seconds into the future.
And when DC states Prime as being the most powerful of the Superman dynasty, and not just in DC1M but also in All-Star, then maybe the writers must have forgotten about Emo Prime (maybe that is why the poor kid is always crying ....he feels overlooked by DC. They even destroyed his entire planet, and had him locked away in a pocket dimension where the only way out was to punch through and raise poor dead Jason from the dead in the process).
Seriously though, you cannot compare Emo Prime with Superman Prime.
Feat-wise,
What has Goldie done on panel that puts him above someone like Emo?
[Keep in mind, statements made regarding a character do not equate to feats -- Nor does your using of Superman 1M's feats in an ABC logic sort of manner]. ermm