Dante vs Master Chief

BT..... A tank shell is larger, heavier, and explosive.... That was idiotic... Comparing a .45 ACP round to a tank shell as a comparative is utter ignorance.

Control as in NOT to penetrate the ball but to push it in the desired direction... It's not the only example of the pistols variable output, especially considering they are demon weapons... Stop focusing on a SINGLE explainable instance.

I said "Or larger" because the barrel length is too long for a standard M8. Only AM type rifles actually have that type of muzzle suppressor. Oh and BT, I'd appreciate you not taking liberties with what you "THINK" I know and don't know... That is rude.

The point is, orbital dropping =/= weapon damage

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
BT..... A tank shell is larger, heavier, and explosive.... That was idiotic... Comparing a .45 ACP round to a tank shell as a comparative is utter ignorance.

Control as in NOT to penetrate the ball but to push it in the desired direction... It's not the only example of the pistols variable output, especially considering they are demon weapons... Stop focusing on a SINGLE explainable instance.

I said "Or larger" because the barrel length is too long for a standard M8. Only AM type rifles actually have that type of muzzle suppressor. Oh and BT, I'd appreciate you not taking liberties with what you "THINK" I know and don't know... That is rude.

The point is, orbital dropping =/= weapon damage

so weight and size is important then is it? my point was that the weight and size of the pistols is not enough to penetrate a sphere of wood...highly unlikely they will penetrate heavy armour and thats forgetting the shielding.

Theres no indication of control at all, his guns charge when he wants more power and glow but they dont weaken, never been shown to do that at all. And go and find me some better feats of the pistols please, you go on about this variable output, prove their power....show me them displaying a force enough to surpass 2km fall.

I would appreciate facts and an argument worth answering but then again I doubt i will get it, your assuming what the rifle is, your assuming what it would fire and until you provide evidence of a anti material rifle bounding its rounds off walls to hit targets I suggest you drop your argument on this rifle and ridiculous assumption. 😐

They all require an amount of force to damage the armour, the armour can survive 30k odd newtons of force on its largest surface area.

Weight and size of the gun itself is irrelevant... its the weight, size AND velocity of the projectiles fired that is the issue... Oh, and cueballs arn't made of wood... Nor are they often fired on in mid air by will-controlled demon weapon fired .45 pistols...

Hows about penetrating Phantom's skin, or Despair embodied's head, or Mundus's body.... ALL of which have survived far worse than a mere sub-orbital drop without ill effect.

Bullet ricochets are as common as houses BT.... Even 20mm or 30mm APFSDS rounds are susceptible to it.... So Dante can control ricochets of his rounds, big deal. It doesn't take away from what it is. So now it's YOUR turn to find a rifle with that kind of barrel that is NOT an AM rifle. That will determine that it is not what I'm saying it is.

30k? your kidding.... Even 7.5 mm AP tracer rounds can match that over a much smaller area... Never mind .45 ACP rounds or .50 mags.... and you think it'll handle 12.5 mm Sabot rounds? Please man.... have some dignity...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Weight and size of the gun itself is irrelevant... its the weight, size AND velocity of the projectiles fired that is the issue... Oh, and cueballs arn't made of wood... Nor are they often fired on in mid air by will-controlled demon weapon fired .45 pistols...

Hows about penetrating Phantom's skin, or Despair embodied's head, or Mundus's body.... ALL of which have survived far worse than a mere sub-orbital drop without ill effect.

Bullet ricochets are as common as houses BT.... Even 20mm or 30mm APFSDS rounds are susceptible to it.... So Dante can control ricochets of his rounds, big deal. It doesn't take away from what it is. So now it's YOUR turn to find a rifle with that kind of barrel that is NOT an AM rifle. That will determine that it is not what I'm saying it is.

30k? your kidding.... Even 7.5 mm AP tracer rounds can match that over a much smaller area... Never mind .45 ACP rounds or .50 mags.... and you think it'll handle 12.5 mm Sabot rounds? Please man.... have some dignity...

my point remains, and no their prob not often fired on in the air by such weapons, unfortuatley in DMC they were and it did no damage.

Name me some of the things they have survived, and when have these characters been hit by normal pistol shots? canonically Mundus has been destroyed by a a charged up pair of pistols while Dante was useing Trish power and

Show me armour piercing rounds being rocheted off walls. Control? who says hes the one controlling it, his bullets do it all the time, its likely they are not even natural bullets by any case. False, I dont have to find any rifle at all, this is "spiral" a fictional gun. The fact it resembles an anti material rifle is all well and good but its rounds that it fires cannot be proven can it?

evidence? prove they can hit with that force and youve finally got an argument.

I like how BT bitches and whines for evidence and will never provide any himself.

Provide evidence for what? my argument is based on GK's evidence and the fact Dantes weapons are too vague and therefore darkstorms arguments are assumptions based on Dantes weapons.

So ill "*****" for evidence when its required, not provide it randomly for no reason especially when my argument requires none.

Originally posted by Burning thought
And when has MC been canonically pierced by such weapons? his suit is not even damaged after falling 2km, how is a round supposed to damage it? nigh impossible...

No it makes him immune to weapons that cannot create that much force.

Go tell that to the Flood pod that almost killed Master Chief in Halo:The Flood (the canon novel which explains everything that happened in the first game from the fall of Autumn to the aftermath of the ring world's destruction).

The Flood pod must have had some incredible strength "shrug"

Originally posted by Burning thought
The Flood pod must have had some incredible strength "shrug"

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Weight and size of the gun itself is irrelevant... its the weight, size AND velocity of the projectiles fired that is the issue... Oh, and cueballs arn't made of wood... Nor are they often fired on in mid air by will-controlled demon weapon fired .45 pistols...

Hows about penetrating Phantom's skin, or Despair embodied's head, or Mundus's body.... ALL of which have survived far worse than a mere sub-orbital drop without ill effect.

Bullet ricochets are as common as houses BT.... Even 20mm or 30mm APFSDS rounds are susceptible to it.... So Dante can control ricochets of his rounds, big deal. It doesn't take away from what it is. So now it's YOUR turn to find a rifle with that kind of barrel that is NOT an AM rifle. That will determine that it is not what I'm saying it is.

30k? your kidding.... Even 7.5 mm AP tracer rounds can match that over a much smaller area... Never mind .45 ACP rounds or .50 mags.... and you think it'll handle 12.5 mm Sabot rounds? Please man.... have some dignity...

Proof they did no damage to the cueballs would be the first point of call. 2nd, your grasp of the physics behind it is wonky at best. 3rd, your denial of Dante's telepathic control over his devil arms Ebony & Ivory has shown you simply wanking out MC and denying everything thats inconvenient... For shame BT...

Mundus survived multiple fire dragon blasts from Dante... a DIMENSIONAL drop from outer space... AND the sparda sword strikes... Thats not including the stuff he went through with Sparda himself. The Trish powerup was PIS. Phantom's armour survived direct impacts from Alastor, A demon sword with lightning powers. But the guns worked. Despair embodies an emotion... You can't destroy a concept.... But Dante defeated it by shooting it in the face with a standard shot from Ebony...

Guhhhhh! You have provided absolutely NOTHING to disprove anything yet BT... I'm not playing your little game, either prove I'm wrong, or concede, and GK's arguments are his, not yours. MCs weapons are as fictional

(Not enough space on last post...)

I already did... 30k newtons isnt that high unless you happen to weigh 40 tonnes and are bigger than 10 meters in diameter and moving at more than 300 feet per minute. terminal velocity adds quite a lot to orbital impacts. Bullets have a HUGE amount of velocity, hence why firing one out a gun is much more damaging than throwing said bullet by hand.

Oh and I lol at your lack of evidence about the flood pod, yet you can whine at me about evidence reguarding guns, ammo and velocities of orbital impacts...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Proof they did no damage to the cueballs would be the first point of call. 2nd, your grasp of the physics behind it is wonky at best. 3rd, your denial of Dante's telepathic control over his devil arms Ebony & Ivory has shown you simply wanking out MC and denying everything thats inconvenient... For shame BT...

Mundus survived multiple fire dragon blasts from Dante... a DIMENSIONAL drop from outer space... AND the sparda sword strikes... Thats not including the stuff he went through with Sparda himself. The Trish powerup was PIS. Phantom's armour survived direct impacts from Alastor, A demon sword with lightning powers. But the guns worked. Despair embodies an emotion... You can't destroy a concept.... But Dante defeated it by shooting it in the face with a standard shot from Ebony...

Guhhhhh! You have provided absolutely NOTHING to disprove anything yet BT... I'm not playing your little game, either prove I'm wrong, or concede, and GK's arguments are his, not yours. MCs weapons are as fictional

The physics is your argument not mine....whats for shame isyou cannot provide evidence for it.

Telepthatic control over his arms? first provide evidence for this, hes charged them up now and then, he did not show any sign of this in his little shot at the balls nor do I belive he has ever weakened his bullets before.

Fire dragons have no feats, falling from his own illusion makes no implication in this fight. BUt hes not canonically been shot by the pistols? thanks for clearing that up...

wtf, PIS? donrt be daft, its a powerup that happens, the fact trish does it to power dante cannot be PIS at all....

Show me this, I remember useing all kinds of weapons on phantom, which was the big spider thing right? I dont remember any cutscene displaying him being defeated by guns but resistant to the sword.

False, Despair was an embodiment of an emotion, which is very different to an emotion itself, nice try though. You would have to prove he is untouchable by such weapons and thats still not a durabiliy feat either so your case has gone astray.

I dont have to prove your negatives are wrong, in a debate you have to provide evidence that you are correct, prove the rounds Dante fires from spiral, prove their piercing capability, prove the gun is indeed what you think it is despite no game evidence for it and further more prove your case against these rounds.

I am asking for evidnece, I dont need to provide evidence againt negatives, its not part of an argument. Its like me saying Chief weighs 4000 tons and fell at the speed of light and then asking you to disprove me...

Originally posted by Burning thought
The Flood pod must have had some incredible strength "shrug"

Seriously? Let's keep in mind that a normal human marine can easily take a single one of those things down.

Thats not a flood pod is it? looking on the Halopedia the flood pod is a larger thing than that.

And so can chief, chief is better than a marine, I would bet money that the circumtstances were against him. Does it state it breaks into his suit?

And besides, the has to have some kind of strength since it still has to create enough blunt force unless it uses some kind of acid. The chiefs falling from orbit feat does not just disapear just because hes defeated by one of them does it?

Originally posted by Burning thought
You just stated that Dante was cut by a sword that can cut anything...lol, and thats your argument against the plasma gun? "sigh"

Dante has not dodged this laser, and his aim is worthless if his opponent is immune to most of his weapons. His best bet to do any damage at all to chief is a laser or huge missle machine...

A sword that devastates the soul, mind, body, and power>Plasma gun.

A laser is a laser, fool. Not really, and you still haven't proved the plasma gun will do shit to Dante, and even if it CAN do anything to Dante, it's about the only weapon that can do anything to Dante. Like I said, Plasma gun = featless. Keep dodging facts, BT, Dante pops MC in the brain and he dies, MC can't do shit, and Dante is way faster than MC, lol.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I like how BT bitches and whines for evidence and will never provide any himself.

Thank you.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
BT..... A tank shell is larger, heavier, and explosive.... That was idiotic... Comparing a .45 ACP round to a tank shell as a comparative is utter ignorance.

Dante can "destroy" tanks with his pistols as well.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Thats not a flood pod is it? looking on the Halopedia the flood pod is a larger thing than that.

And so can chief, chief is better than a marine, I would bet money that the circumtstances were against him. Does it state it breaks into his suit?

And besides, the has to have some kind of strength since it still has to create enough blunt force unless it uses some kind of acid. The chiefs falling from orbit feat does not just disapear just because hes defeated by one of them does it?

I always did call the Infection form a Flood pod and the Carriers are Carriers.

All I remember was that the Infection form was drilling into Chief's spinal cord before it got killed. I don't know if it drilled through the suit; it probably found an open spot between the bottom of the helmet and above the armor. And yes, Chief was surrounded by Flood.

I'm not going to argue against someone using "Prove it" as a crutch to support the fact that he can't prove his own baseless assumptions that go against common sense, and more to the point, common knowlege. The way you speak BT, it seems like you have never played DMC at all.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I'm not going to argue against someone using "Prove it" as a crutch to support the fact that he can't prove his own baseless assumptions that go against common sense, and more to the point, common knowlege. The way you speak BT, it seems like you have never played DMC at all.

My assumptions are zero, I dont make assumptions. I am asking you questions, my argument is questioning whther Dante actually stated the make and design of his rifle, forgive my non photographic memory but I dont remember him saying hes got a:

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

The rifle is an M82A2 Anti Material Rifle

That fires sabot rounds, all I know is probably more than you do, that its a large rifle weapon called Spiral and it bounces around walls as its main gimick to attack opponents. It sounds like you blundered into this thread with just looking at a wiki picture of the rifle and assumed a huge number of things about what rounds it fires and what it actually is. This is a fiction, not a real military simulation, I think the name spiral is fictional as well no?

I suggest you find sources for your evidence 😉

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
I always did call the Infection form a Flood pod and the Carriers are Carriers.

All I remember was that the Infection form was drilling into Chief's spinal cord before it got killed. I don't know if it drilled through the suit; it probably found an open spot between the bottom of the helmet and above the armor. And yes, Chief was surrounded by Flood.

"shrug"

So you dont know if it drilled into a suit, its fairly inconclusive evidence is it not? hell ive heard chief does not always wear his suit anyway.