Younger Toguro vs. TAS Superman

Originally posted by Keollyn
I don't get how a character who just proved that they run slower has anything to do with being blitzed before they punched. Of course they're not going to throw a single punch if they didn't even get into position yet.

His dashing forward does nothing to take away his punching speed.

Originally posted by Keollyn
No he doesn't. When Seiyuu throws his punches, you see his hand extended. He was to far fro hie..

If he couldn’t even move those same hands fast enough to counter, than it says multitudes about Hiei’s speedblitzing speed.

Originally posted by Keollyn
You know what, just go look at the scans. I'm not in the mood for back and forth...

A guy can very well dash forward while still throwing blows at his regular punching speed.

Originally posted by Accel
Except he was in position. He even started in the same stance that he used against Byakko. The fact was that he apparently couldn’t throw any of those punches before being sliced and diced.

He wasn't in position with Hiei. If he was, he wouldn't have ran towards him. This is really simple logic.

His dashing forward does nothing to take away his punching speed.

But him not actually attacking does.

Which doesn’t change the fact that a guy who can throw a hundred punches a second can obviously move his hands very, very fast. It’s not like he can only do so when his arm’s extended.

But once he actually attacks, this matters. He didn't attack Hiei, therefore this does not matter.

If he couldn’t even move those same hands fast enough to counter, than it says multitudes about Hiei’s speedblitzing speed.

Apparently he's going to punch Hiei while not next to him...

His range isn't several meters, you know.

I have. I think the problem here is that you keep confusing this as more travel speed than combat speed.

No, I'm not. Your confusing a guy running up to someone, who (with a previous person) proved that he cannot strike and move at the same time.

But logically, you give him an ability he's not performed... and in fact, would contradict what he just displayed.

A guy can very well dash forward while still throwing blows at his regular punching speed.

But not Seiyuu.

Originally posted by Keollyn
He wasn't in position with Hiei. if he was, he wouldn't have ran towards him. This is really simple logic.

Originally posted by Keollyn
But him not actually attacking does.

What did you think he was going to do, leave his arms at his sides and just try to headbutt Hiei?

Originally posted by Keollyn
But once he actually attacks, this matters. He didn't attack Hiei, therefore this does not matter.

That doesn’t take away the fact that Seiryuu could have still thrown a hundred punches a second had Hiei not been able to blitz him like did.

Originally posted by Keollyn
Apparently he's going to punch Hiei while not next to him...

His range isn't several meters, you know.

Conjecture?

Originally posted by Keollyn
No, I'm not. Your confusing a guy running up to someone, who, with a previous person, proved that he cannot strike and move at the same time.

Originally posted by Keollyn
But logically, you give him an ability he's not performed... and in fact, would contradict what he just displayed.

Obviously the guy couldn’t get a single punch in because Hiei was just that much faster than him.

Originally posted by Keollyn
But not Seiyuu.

I'm leaving this alone after this because it's quite irrelevant (Toguro is not hurting Superman... faster speed or no)

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/972/yuuyuuhakushovol5c04pagau2.png
(Seiyuu getting sliced. Punching hand is still at his side)

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/717/yuuyuuhakushovol5c04paglv9.png
(When he did his attack against Byakko, his hands were out in front. Denotes that you'll see his hands extended out when his attack is performed Also, he utters the name of the attack)

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/315/yuuyuuhakushovol5c04pagwr8.png
(And that's him starting to run like I have been saying for the longest)

All observation of feet, hands and stance will show you that Hiei blitzed him in motion, not in the midst of an attack. That's clearly the important thing ignored by people who herald this feat.

Originally posted by Keollyn
All observation of feet, hands and stance will show you that Hiei blitzed him in motion, not in the midst of an attack. That's clearly the important thing ignored by people who herald this feat.

We know he can move his hands at extremely fast speeds, yet Hiei was so much faster that Seiryuu couldn’t even throw one, hence the hand still at his side. There's nothing to indicate that he can't move forward and not still punch at the same speeds, just that Hiei can blitz him before he can throw off any at all.

Originally posted by Accel
The problem is you keep forgetting/ignoring the fact that the guy starting in his special stance and then charging forward proves he was indeed attacking.

We know he can move his hands at extremely fast speeds, yet Hiei was so much faster that Seiryuu couldn’t even throw one, hence the hand still at his side. There's nothing to indicate that he can't move forward and not still punch at the same speeds, just that Hiei can blitz him before he can throw off any at all.

Seiyuu runs, Hiei runs and cuts him. Seiyuu never had a chance to get into striking range, let alone commence a strike. I mean, the fact that his striking arm was at his side gives nothing away, eh?

Anyone getting anything else from that is just trying to squeeze something more out of that feat that isn't there.

Look at it this way: If Hiei wasn't so ridiculously above Seiryuu in speed, then obviously Seiryuu would have been able to raise his arm and throw his flurry of punches to counter when Hiei charged in to attack.

Do you really think a guy who can move his hands fast enough to punch a hundred times a second wouldn't have been able to simply raise his arm and throw those same punches all in that same second had his opponent been in his ballpark in terms of speed?

The fact that he couldn't move fast enough to do so is what makes the feat so impressive on Hiei's part.

Seiyuu hit a weak demon with that attack though, we don't really know how fast that demon was. And Toguro rarely showed any type of speed, to make me think he's faster than Cartoon Supes.

Hitting Byakko (who wasn't that weak) with that move isn't the issue. It's that he was STILL punching quickly in a second.

Toguro may not have any speed feats, but generally, the higher the rank you are, the faster/stronger you become. That being said, since at the time of the DT, he was higher than Hiei. presumably, he was faster, too. But in terms of raw power, Toguro outclasses cartoon Supes easily.

umm ne one can hurt animated supes. yusuke caould pwn him. he's SO ****in weak it isnt even funny. btw if anyone thinks animated supes can take goku is F#$*in retarded

I love the extreme biased against Superman because this is the animated one. Toguro is not stronger, not faster, and not durable enough to take on Superman.

And no, not "ne one" can hurt Superman. Try watching the series.

Yeah Supes whoops his butt. Cartoon Supes is too much for Toguro.

Originally posted by Keollyn
I love the extreme biased against Superman because this is the animated one. Toguro is not stronger, not faster, and not durable enough to take on Superman.

And no, not "ne one" can hurt Superman. Try watching the series.

i watched the series. that superman could BARELY punch someone througha building. plus toguro has spirit energy. and yes ne one can hurt animated supes. he's one of the weakest animated characters i have EVER seen to date.

Originally posted by chickenlover98
i watched the series. that superman could BARELY punch someone througha building. plus toguro has spirit energy. and yes ne one can hurt animated supes. he's one of the weakest animated characters i have EVER seen to date.

And Toguro punched who through a building at all?

Just because he's weak, doesn't mean he's weaker than the person he's fighting in this thread.

Toguro's power is insufficient against Superman.

i think toguro has a chance. ill re eval my position once i rewatch the arc. i am rewatchin the entire series ne ways

Originally posted by Keollyn
And Toguro punched who through a building at all?

Just because he's weak, doesn't mean he's weaker than the person he's fighting in this thread.

Toguro's power is insufficient against Superman.

Superman vs. Cataptain Marvel

http://youtube.com/watch?v=B2BvSqqmidM

Superman vs. Captain Atom

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_o7jH8iVYUk

Superman vs. Doomsday

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Noedf3JhFYA

Toguro doesn't stand a chance.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
No, he punched a giant crater easily at 80%.

Not impressive to Supes.

At 20-30%, he lifted a 100 ton(at least) arena, and carried it miles across an island, to replace a destroyed one.

Supes is stronger than someone who can hold 680 tons in a single arm (Supergirl clone)

He also in seconds at 60% kicked thru all the support pillars of a parking building.

Filler.

He took a Spirit Gun from Yusuke which sent him across an island, and was uninjured. This was at 80% I think.

Not his best feat. Should have mentioned the other one.

He is faster than Genkai, who casually instantly ran thru a forest to the other side, that took other superhumans hours to do I think(Cept Kuwabara, with his senses and stuff).

Not really an impressive feat considering.

He is faster than Hiei, who in the Saint Beasts arc, slashed a guy who could punch 100 times in a second 16 times before he could do one punch.

Originally posted by Keollyn
[B]Seiyuu runs, Hiei runs and cuts him. Seiyuu never had a chance to get into striking range, let alone commence a strike. I mean, the fact that his striking arm was at his side gives nothing away, eh?

Anyone getting anything else from that is just trying to squeeze something more out of that feat that isn't there.

He is so strong, that by simply flicking his thumb, he fired powerful bullets of compressed air. He als has a Healing Factor. Or, he could suck Superman's soul. [/B]

Superman flash freeze people with his breath.

Superman isn't a low level apparition.

Edit: If Superman is allowed his fight with Doomsday in the movie (as opposed to the series) he utterly decimates Toguro.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
No, he punched a giant crater easily at 80%. At 20-30%, he lifted a 100 ton(at least) arena, and carried it miles across an island, to replace a destroyed one. He also in seconds at 60% kicked thru all the support pillars of a parking building. He took a Spirit Gun from Yusuke which sent him across an island, and was uninjured. This was at 80% I think. He is faster than Genkai, who casually instantly ran thru a forest to the other side, that took other superhumans hours to do I think(Cept Kuwabara, with his senses and stuff). He is faster than Hiei, who in the Saint Beasts arc, slashed a guy who could punch 100 times in a second 16 times before he could do one punch. He is so strong, that by simply flicking his thumb, he fired powerful bullets of compressed air. He als has a Healing Factor. Or, he could suck Superman's soul.

Rewatch Yu Yu Hakusho. I know you're trying to Support Toguro, but don't lie about his feats. Can you show the spirit gun knocking him across an island?

Originally posted by chickenlover98
i watched the series. that superman could BARELY punch someone througha building. plus toguro has spirit energy. and yes ne one can hurt animated supes. he's one of the weakest animated characters i have EVER seen to date.

Barely punch someone through a building? please, you havent even seen the entire series. Besides anyone who can punch Darkseid through a building, even if it is animated DS, he was merged with Braniac, has to be strong. Anyway, if he was out for blood, he could just lobotomize him.

Here is one of my favorite fights of the series.

YouTube video

The whole city was leveled