Originally posted by superkronick92
Barely punch someone through a building? please, you havent even seen the entire series. Besides anyone who can punch Darkseid through a building, even if it is animated DS, he was merged with Braniac, has to be strong. Anyway, if he was out for blood, he could just lobotomize him.Here is one of my favorite fights of the series.
The whole city was leveled
And we're supposed to be impressed, how? Toguro has enough strength to level those buildings alone.
Supes creates a hole in the ground by clubbing it with both his hands. Toguro creates CRATERS just by punching the ground with one. If you want strength, Toguro just has more.
And Toguro was knocked across the island when Yusuke released his spiritual bindings on his hands and feet. He fired the Rei-gun and knocked Toguro clear across the island because he wasn't yet able to control that much power.
Originally posted by Haruhi
And we're supposed to be impressed, how? Toguro has enough strength to level those buildings alone.Supes creates a hole in the ground by clubbing it with both his hands. Toguro creates CRATERS just by punching the ground with one. If you want strength, Toguro just has more.
And Toguro was knocked across the island when Yusuke released his spiritual bindings on his hands and feet. He fired the Rei-gun and knocked Toguro clear across the island because he wasn't yet able to control that much power.
I'll wait till Toguro comes with a feat of holding 680 tons with a single arm (Hell, as Superboy, he was lifting up 3000 tons)
Or getting his face plowed into lava while weakened (kryptonite)
Or how about tanking a city leveling attack
Or taking repeated shots by confirmed class 100
Or getting hit with magical lightning and not making much of a fuss about it
Or beating someone with a strongroom
Or punching someone halfway cross a city (while not even having their momentum stopped by buildings)
Or enduring what's described as "the worst possible pain you can ever experience, times a thousand, continuing forever"
Please. Just give me a feat that Toguro that makes him capable of fighting that (and those are just the ones I can remember... DCAU is VERY vast)
Originally posted by Keollyn
I'll wait till Toguro comes with a feat of holding 680 tons with a single arm (Hell, as Superboy, he was lifting up 3000 tons)Or getting his face plowed into lava while weakened (kryptonite)
Or how about tanking a city leveling attack
Or taking repeated shots by confirmed class 100
Or getting hit with magical lightning and not making much of a fuss about it
Or beating someone with a strongroom
Or punching someone halfway cross a city (while not even having their momentum stopped by buildings)
Or enduring what's described as "the worst possible pain you can ever experience, times a thousand, continuing forever"
Please. Just give me a feat that Toguro that makes him capable of fighting that (and those are just the ones I can remember... DCAU is VERY vast)
He walked around with a concrete ring at less than half of his power. Easily heavier than a couple hundred tons.
He was stabbed by a sword and didn't even flinch. At 10 percent power, even.
He's taken shots from the likes of Genkai and Yusuke's rei guns just to laugh it off. When he was injured, ,he simply regenerated right then and there.
Rei shots during the Dark Tournament is at least city-busting level. He took those, too. Didn't make much fuss about it. Just pushed him back.
The guy can create craters by punching the ground. Do you think that's not enough strength to send somebody flying across a building the way Supes did to DS? And that wasn't even at his full power, either.
Originally posted by Haruhi
He walked around with a concrete ring at less than half of his power. Easily heavier than a couple hundred tons.
And this says 680 tons, let alone 3000 tons where?
He was stabbed by a sword and didn't even flinch. At 10 percent power, even.
Superman can't be stabbed by swords period.
He's taken shots from the likes of Genkai and Yusuke's rei guns just to laugh it off. When he was injured, ,he simply regenerated right then and there.
And this is city leveling tanking where?
Rei shots during the Dark Tournament is at least city-busting level. He took those, too. Didn't make much fuss about it. Just pushed him back.
Highly doubtful. Destroying trees and the wall of a stadium does not say city busting in the slightest.
The guy can create craters by punching the ground. Do you think that's not enough strength to send somebody flying across a building the way Supes did to DS? And that wasn't even at his full power, either.
Did Toguro send someone flying half a city distance while the persons momentum was being lessened by crashing into structures? Yes or no?
If he had the capacity, every time he hit Yusuke, Yusuke would have been at the end of the island. Which he wasn't.
80% isn't far from 100%.
Originally posted by Keollyn
And this says 680 tons, let alone 3000 tons where?
When/Where was Superman lifting that much weight?
Superman can't be stabbed by swords period.
But he can get knocked out, provided something has enough force. Superman, meet Toguro.
And this is city leveling tanking where?
And Superman leveled an entire city, where/when himself with one shot where?
Highly doubtful. Destroying trees and the wall of a stadium does not say city busting in the slightest.
Neither does sending Darkseid/Captain Marvel through a few buildings.
Did Toguro send someone flying half a city distance while the persons momentum was being lessened by crashing into structures? Yes or no?
Has Superman ever punched the ground so hard that he left a crater? I'll answer it for you -- he didn't. In fact, he clubbed the ground with both hands and the most he did was just flake off the surface of the ground (of what appeared to be hollow). Has Superman ever just flicked his fingers and create compressed bullets of air that killed people? Has Superman ever shown healing himself from major damage the way Toguro has?
If he had the capacity, every time he hit Yusuke, Yusuke would have been at the end of the island. Which he wasn't.
The same could be said of Superman against Darkseid. If he punched him with that much force each time, DS would be flying around everywhere.
80% isn't far from 100%.
Except in Toguro's case, there was a vast difference between 80 and 100 percent. And really, 20 percent out of one hundred is still a pretty nice chunk.
I like animated Supes, but Toguro is just too damn strong. When lesser people like Batman are able to land hits on Supes and make him feel it (that he actually groans), a powered Toguro can do much, much more.
Originally posted by HaruhiAnd you think Superman was actually trying when he made that hole in the ground? Just because he used two hands doesn't mean he was hard for him to do. And Superman doesn't have the power to heal so why bring that up? Also Superman doesn't have demon or spirit energy so he can't do attacks like that.
Has Superman ever punched the ground so hard that he left a crater? I'll answer it for you -- he didn't. In fact, he clubbed the ground with both hands and the most he did was just flake off the surface of the ground (of what appeared to be hollow). Has Superman ever just flicked his fingers and create compressed bullets of air that killed people? Has Superman ever shown healing himself from major damage the way Toguro has?The same could be said of Superman against Darkseid. If he punched him with that much force each time, DS would be flying around everywhere.
I like animated Supes, but Toguro is just too damn strong. When lesser people like Batman are able to land hits on Supes and make him feel it (that he actually groans), a powered Toguro can do much, much more.
Superman also said he wasn't holding back that time he sent Darkseid flying..meaning all the other hits weren't at full strength. Heck when he was fighting Kalibak he was getting beat around and beating around Kalibak then he got serious and easily owned Kalibak. It has nothing to do with people hitting him since he usually wins against them all anyways when stops being down on their level.
Using animated Batman as an example is really bad....Batman has beaten even more people in the cartoon that is way above his street level league than he ever has in comics.
Originally posted by Kento
[B]And you think Superman was actually trying when he made that hole in the ground? Just because he used two hands doesn't mean he was hard for him to do. And Superman doesn't have the power to heal so why bring that up? Also Superman doesn't have demon or spirit energy so he can't do attacks like that.
I thought he was trying in that two-handed club, yes. He was, after all, fighting against Captain Marvel, who was at least as strong as him. And Toguro doesn't use spirit or demon energy to send off those shockwaves. It's just flicking his fingers that creates that much pressure. And I'm bringing up healing, because in a fight, it does play a factor.
Superman also said he wasn't holding back that time he sent Darkseid flying..meaning all the other hits weren't at full strength. Heck when he was fighting Kalibak he was getting beat around and beating around Kalibak then he got serious and easily owned Kalibak. It has nothing to do with people hitting him since he usually wins against them all anyways when stops being down on their level.
How do you know Supes wasn't trying with the rest of his punches in that JLU fight? IIRC, DS is the only guy that REALLY pissed him off.
He wasn't even hitting at Captain Marvel when he destroyed the thing. And he was about to hit it with one hand before Captain Marvel stopped his hand. And I was pretty sure the only reason he can do that air bullet thing is because he has demon energy.
And Superman was busy talking to him as he knocked him through a wall, then knocked him back a few feet two times before he hit him at full strength which created a shock wave from his punch. So yea I doubt he was hitting him at full power that whole time he was talking.
Originally posted by Haruhi
When/Where was Superman lifting that much weight?
Supergirl... you know, his weaker cousin... was cloned. The clone held up 1,500,000 pounds in one arm (that's 680 tons). (Flashpoint of JLU)
3000 tons was a feat in the very first episode of the Legion of Superheroes (Man of Tomorrow). Superboy was pretty weak during those days.
Now tell me, when did Toguro lift up that much weight?
But he can get knocked out, provided something has enough force. Superman, meet Toguro.
The hell does this have to do with a sword?
Knocked out? Yes. By Toguro level strength? Not at all.
And Superman leveled an entire city, where/when himself with one shot where?
Flashpoint, Watchtower's space gun. Besides leveling a great deal of the city, it caused tremors all the way in [b]Japan.
Still waiting for Toguro with a matching feat.
Neither does sending Darkseid/Captain Marvel through a few buildings.
Not sure I ever said Superman was city-busting. Do you wanna try again? This time, with accuracy.
Has Superman ever punched the ground so hard that he left a crater?
Yes.
Has Toguro ever beat someone with a strongroom?
I'll answer it for you -- he didn't. In fact, he clubbed the ground with both hands and the most he did was just flake off the surface of the ground (of what appeared to be hollow).
And? Does this stop his other feats from being apparent?
Hell, he's hit people hard enough to create craters bigger than what Toguro has made *cough* Doomsday, Darkseid *cough*
Has Superman ever just flicked his fingers and create compressed bullets of air that killed people?
Does he need to? Is he having a finger flicking contest? Th is a matter of strength, otherwise I can say that Toguro cannot freeze people with his breath and lobotomize people with his eyes. But I bet that's fair, eh?
Has Superman ever shown healing himself from major damage the way Toguro has?
The fact that Superman rarely gets hurt to the point of needing to heal... I think that says alot more than Toguro.
The same could be said of Superman against Darkseid. If he punched him with that much force each time, DS would be flying around everywhere.
Yet when he got serious what happened? I like how you avoid supplying a matching feat by saying "The same could be" or "Neither does"
Try adding a feat that surpasses Supermans, otherwise you're doing pretty much what Toguro would do to Superman.
Nothing.
Except in Toguro's case, there was a vast difference between 80 and 100 percent. And really, 20 percent out of one hundred is still a pretty nice chunk.
Yeah, and "not trying to hurt you" Superman is vastly different from "trying to hurt you" Superman. Just see your OWN example above (Superman not sending Darkseid flying with initial punches, but sending him flying when he got serious and wanting to inflict harm)
I like animated Supes, but Toguro is just too damn strong.
Still waiting for that 3000 ton feat.... in his weaker days.
When lesser people like Batman are able to land hits on Supes and make him feel it (that he actually groans), a powered Toguro can do much, much more. [/B]
Oh, thank you. So I'll now refer to Yusuke failing to outrun a truck. Superman catches up to missiles.
So that means Toguro isn't all that fast. He gets blitz.
Originally posted by superkronick92Animated DS is weaker than comic version, just letting you know. DS in the cartoon wasn't really that impressive.
Do you know how hard it is to do that to Darkseid?Superman could easily do that to a lot of other characters in the show. Darkseid is a lot harder to do that to.