Darkseid Vs Superman:Validation of Superman's victories

Originally posted by Your Friend
I'm not debating you. I'm just disagreeing that For Tomorrow was a good portrayal of Superman Vs Wonder Woman.

Considering your summation of the supposed fight, you would agree with me.

How would I agree with you? I merely said the fight was too short for them to get many shots in, thus limiting them to a single 'good hit' a piece.

I found it to be a very accurate portrayal of their powers. Diana was clearly much more skilled, but Superman was much faster, and a bit stronger.

Originally posted by KK the Great
Except that your analogy doesn't make any sense.

The starting point is the contention that Quanchi took a break from posting and then returned with better grammar and style than he had before his break.

What actually happened was that he was posting on Herochat during his "break," and upon his return he appears to the average KMC eyes to have gotten a boost in basic intellect.

My analogy equates this observed phenomenon to baseball.

Your analogy, on the other hand, is plainly not analogous to anything in particular.

Quan went on Herochat, told someone his delima, and gave them his password for our match.

Originally posted by KK the Great
Except that your analogy doesn't make any sense.

The starting point is the contention that Quanchi took a break from posting and then returned with better grammar and style than he had before his break.

What actually happened was that he was posting on Herochat during his "break," and upon his return he appears to the average KMC eyes to have gotten a boost in basic intellect.

My analogy equates this observed phenomenon to baseball.

Your analogy, on the other hand, is plainly not analogous to anything in particular.

Not really.

As switch was pointing out, it's like failing in the big leagues, dropping to train up in the minors, and then taking another shot at the majors and doing a bit better - Quan is an absolute beacon of intelligence over at SHC, but here, he's still a bit behind the curve.

Originally posted by Soljer
How would I agree with you? I merely said the fight was too short for them to get many shots in, thus limiting them to a single 'good hit' a piece.

I found it to be a very accurate portrayal of their powers. Diana was clearly much more skilled, but Superman was much faster, and a bit stronger.

Or where Superman is struggling at all? Letting her hand go does not count as her wresting it free.

How is For Tomorrow a better representation than Sacrifice? Sacrifice was what Superman to be physically superior while showing Diana to be smart and resourceful. For Tomorrow did nothing for WW.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Such Wit. 😄 You slay me with your SUPER comments.

I know. It's obviously not hard. 🙂

Originally posted by Soljer
You didn't ask for a clear example of Darkseid being stronger than Superman.

Rather; you asked for an example where Darkseid was clearly physically superior.

And in the instance I noted, he was. 🙂.

Being 'physically superior' and 'stronger' are synonymous with one another, Sol.

Punching someone into submission doesn't mean you're stronger anyway.

For example: A lion vs. a tiger.

Say a lion's strength on a scale was set to 100. Now, a tiger, with it's larger size and denser muscle mass would probably be around 105-110.

However, both felines have sufficient strength to severely hurt one another in a single paw swipe. What's the only variable? A lion is born and bred to fight. If the said lion won in a fight, that doesn't mean it's stronger than the tiger.

And this isn't me trying to say that Darkseid is the better fighter. Rather, Darkseid got the better of a worn out Superman in a slugfest.

Therefore, it isn't a "clear" example to show how Darkseid is stronger than Superman at all, which was what I was asking for.

Now, if you don't mind, show me a better example than that (as I've already explained why it's not good evidence to use) in the past ten years where Darkseid was straight up, with no outside interferences shown to be physically better than Superman (just so you don't misinterpret things).

Originally posted by Soljer
Quan is an absolute beacon of intelligence over at SHC, but here, he's still a bit behind the curve.

is he as smart as you? 😉

Originally posted by Your Friend
Can you show me where WW got a good hit in? She didn't kick him near orbit unless helicopters float near space.

Or where Superman is struggling at all? Letting her hand go does not count as her wresting it free.

How is For Tomorrow a better representation than Sacrifice? Sacrifice was what Superman to be physically superior while showing Diana to be smart and resourceful. For Tomorrow did nothing for WW.

Saying 'damned near into orbit' was clearly an exaggeration meant to point out the difference between him slapping her across the room, and her kicking him a mile into the air.

Why do you assume Superman let her hand go? If he let one go, why not both? 🤨?

Further - For Tomorrow showed that Diana was clearly a much more skillful combatant, but that superman was much faster and a bit stronger - which is entirely true. Wonder Woman's speed isn't even comparable to Clark's.

Sacrifice sat there and tried to pretend that Superman was nothing but slightly stronger - entirely inaccurate. It even portrayed a Wonder Woman that was holding back as faster and better in a slugfest than a Superman that was completely bloodlusted.

A Superman that's completely bloodlusted shouldn't have been much more than a blur to Diana.

Originally posted by batdude123
Being 'physically superior' and 'stronger' are synonymous with one another, Sol.

That wasn't the difference that matters. It's the placement of the word 'clear.'

Originally, you modified superiority. Now, you're trying to switch and modify example.

I gave you a 'shady' example of CLEAR superiority.

All you originally asked for was an example of clear superiority. Which is not the same thing as a clear example of superiority. Hence, as I mentioned, hell yes, I'm arguing semantics though I knew exactly what you meant from post one. I'm in an argumentative mood today.

Originally posted by Soljer
I'm in an argumentative mood today.

Originally posted by Avlon
I know. It's obviously not hard. 🙂

Originally posted by KK the Great
We never actually saw J'onn in the fight. He was beaten by the time we entered the action.

This is true, however at the time J'onn was shown to be discorporated, Kyle, Wally, and PM were all fighting a single probe. It's not exactly a stretch to say that the probe in question was in fact the culprit of J'onn's defeat. He had at that point just lost telepathic integrity as per Kyle's words, and was saying 'help me,' thus indicating that he must have not been defeated for long.

Originally posted by KK the Great
And we can safely say that they fought more than the two we saw, because when the clearly say "another one" has gotten through. Considering that they were up there trying to stop the Probes from reaching Earth, I think it is a safe bet that they were initially faced with every Probe we later saw on Earth.

And I said it's speculation as to how many they actually took out.

For all we know, they could have been dealing with only those probes while others were getting passed them.

That's not exactly a ludicrous accusation to make, considering how much trouble they had with the probes on panel.

Originally posted by KK the Great
Thanks for reminding me of the flagrant inconsistency, though. Wonder Woman was badly injured because her Probe exploded in a massive way, just like the ones that made it to Earth. The Probes Superman and Doomsday fought didn't explode at all.

OWAW had a lot of shady instances in it.

I like the Loeb fight better. After manhandling that probe on Earth, it exploded, but Clark was still unharmed.

Originally posted by Soljer
Saying 'damned near into orbit' was clearly an exaggeration meant to point out the difference between him slapping her across the room, and her kicking him a mile into the air.

Why do you assume Superman let her hand go? If he let one go, why not both? 🤨?

Further - For Tomorrow showed that Diana was clearly a much more skillful combatant, but that superman was much faster and a bit stronger - which is entirely true. Wonder Woman's speed isn't even comparable to Clark's.

Sacrifice sat there and tried to pretend that Superman was nothing but slightly stronger - entirely inaccurate. It even portrayed a Wonder Woman that was holding back as faster and better in a slugfest than a Superman that was completely bloodlusted.

A Superman that's completely bloodlusted shouldn't have been much more than a blur to Diana.

And how fast would one have to be to be a blur to one who has the eyes of a Goddess and routinely blocks multilple light speed projectiles?

Originally posted by Avlon
I know. It's obviously not hard. 🙂

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And how fast would one have to be to be a blur to one who has the eyes of a Goddess and routinely blocks multilple light speed projectiles?

Define routinely.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And how fast would one have to be to be a blur to one who has the eyes of a Goddess and routinely blocks multilple light speed projectiles?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And yet I'm still breathing. Infinitely harder than the obvious.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Such Wit. 😄 You slay me with your SUPER comments.

So you're calling yourself a liar now. 🙂

Originally posted by KK the Great
Define routinely.

Originally posted by Avlon
So you're calling yourself a liar now. 🙂

No. It was obviously a sarcastic comment. You are a bright one indeed.

Originally posted by So1jer
one would have to be FASTER than multiple light speed?

I give Zoom and flash as the ones who would appear to her as a blur. And maybe even then she might be able to still see them but not react.