Sephiroth vs. Jedah Dohma

Originally posted by Terryc250
yes, like i said, BT amps up kains powers way more then it actually is, infact kains strongest spell is his Lightning.. which isnt even that impressive compared to other characters in games.

What? haha, Terry i cant belive even tho youve not played any of the games (can you prove youve played any?) you try and talk BS at the same time as gameplay.....its funny, rly is...but as i said in the other thread, pathetic and has got boring. Kains strongest spell in-game due to effects is lighting storm which calls down lighting over the screen destroying all enemies with a shot, but so? its the strongest because its attacking men, a soul attack that attacks on opponent is more powerful than a lighting bolt if that opponent (like pyron) wouldnt even be affected by a puny lighting bolt...your taking stuff all from gameplay, lol...

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
So Spirit Death is only usable on weak enemies...I can't believe I bought into that shit.

no V2D your simply grabbing onto anything, anything at all you can to try and increase hate on Kain, unfortunatley, you look foolish yourself because your believing Terry, a hater of kain who on many times has shown his ignorence of kain without seeing any proof.....

whats worse is hes talking about gameplay...

you both P-H-A-I-L

^ I dont hate Kain, i just hate the fact that ur trying to make him way more stronger then he actually is.

Unless you can prove that it works differently outside of gameplay, you cant assume that itll work on ANYTHING, so far everything ive seen in cinematic was basically the same as it was in gameplay.

Originally posted by Terryc250
^ I dont hate Kain, i just hate the fact that ur trying to make him way more stronger then he actually is.

Unless you can prove that it works differently outside of gameplay, you cant assume that itll work on ANYTHING, so far everything ive seen in cinematic was basically the same as it was in gameplay.

ime not making him anything, how can you possibly be the judge of this unless you can prove youve played all 5 LOK games? tell me some events, what happens? by saying things like you have done in this thread and others, its too painfully obvious you dont know the LOK universe, if it was somebody like Madmel telling me ime overhyping everything i know hes played the games, but since its you who is a fan of sephiroth and have not much in the way of kain knowledge, ime not taking it without your proof please

what youve seen does not matter, the rule of this forum is that gameplay is not the canon way, nor is it the real way of things, just because for example in most games, including LOK even if the boss is a human target, you cannot use some 1 hit spells against it, thats gameplay, every enemy in LOK you can use Soul death against apart from bosses, who most of which are simple humans so it wouldnt make sense because its beem tried against both elemental, demon, vampire and human targets and prevailed

Originally posted by Burning thought
ime not making him anything, how can you possibly be the judge of this unless you can prove youve played all 5 LOK games? tell me some events, what happens? by saying things like you have done in this thread and others, its too painfully obvious you dont know the LOK universe, if it was somebody like Madmel telling me ime overhyping everything i know hes played the games, but since its you who is a fan of sephiroth and have not much in the way of kain knowledge, ime not taking it without your proof please

what youve seen does not matter, the rule of this forum is that gameplay is not the canon way, nor is it the real way of things, just because for example in most games, including LOK even if the boss is a human target, you cannot use some 1 hit spells against it, thats gameplay, every enemy in LOK you can use Soul death against apart from bosses, who most of which are simple humans so it wouldnt make sense because its beem tried against both elemental, demon, vampire and human targets and prevailed

Yeah so since Spirit Death doesnt work on everyone during gameplay we should assume that it works on everyone out of gameplay

Originally posted by Terryc250
Like i said, ive talked to ppl who have played the game, and ive seen your bias, here is an example.. you think Kain is faster then Loz because of this(at 5:24)
YouTube video

Yeah so since Spirit Death doesnt work on everyone during gameplay we should assume that it works on everyone out of gameplay

5:55 to be exact, its difficult to say becase in less time than a second he moves a good metre or so and effortlessly puts his sword through the rock AND Raziel, and ill use your argument "he wasnt even trying" lol....
Whats loz got? hes got flashy blue blur lines, thats all he has diffrence and you think hes faster, thats all...

gameplay is cut out completly, spirit death does its effect, so theres nothing canonically thats ever survived spirirt death and it can target basically anything, you saying it doesnt work on a certain being is the assumption here, if that being has never protected its soul or protected against a soul destroying attack

Is it Loz speed against the speed Kain showed in that video? Loz moved further and quicker than that ✅

"he wasnt even trying" lol....

Whats loz got? hes got flashy blue blur lines, thats all he has diffrence and you think hes faster, thats all...

KAIN: (at 5:24)
YouTube video

LOZ: (at 3:05)
YouTube video

You really think Kain is faster?

gameplay is cut out completly, spirit death does its effect, so theres nothing canonically thats ever survived spirirt death and it can target basically anything, you saying it doesnt work on a certain being is the assumption here, if that being has never protected its soul or protected against a soul destroying attack

So show me Spirit Death being used "canonically" then, no saying that it wont work against strong enough beings is the way we only see it work in the game, unless you can prove me wrong, also why isnt this spell in defiance?

Originally posted by Terryc250
ok..? So neither was Loz, so that has no relevance.

Hes got faster speed period, lets compare again shall we?

[b]KAIN: (at 5:24)
YouTube video

LOZ: (at 3:05)
YouTube video

You really think Kain is faster?

So show me Spirit Death being used "canonically" then, no saying that it wont work against strong enough beings is the way we only see it work in the game, unless you can prove me wrong, also why isnt this spell in defiance? [/B]

hmm okie i concede the speed, he moves a tiny bit faster, looking at it again, he also has tech, that thing he switches on, it shows you his foot which has a piece on it and it makes him faster, which is why he is going blue, okie okie fair enough, a tiny bit faster, the diffrence however will be irrelevent, if thats his speed, he wont be blitzing kain at all, hell prob best kain in a one on one sword fight one or twice more than kain would best him

i cannot show you it used canonically, however we have the canon description of the spell, what it does, and that it can be used in-game against all targets apart from those with boss over the name.......theres nothing but assumptions from you that it cannot be used against anyone...thats the canon of it...

A tiny bit? He moves an easy double Kain's speed and that is in slow-motion 😐

Originally posted by Lady Fox
A tiny bit? He moves an easy double Kain's speed and that is in slow-motion 😐

nah, he doesnt, how can you possibly make that conclusion, i feel some bias, Loz with tech moves at about maybe 6/7 metres in 2 seconds, more or less, kain moves basically instantly to the rock over a distance of 3/4 metres perhaps, you cant really count the time he takes to move there, hes too fast, not a second thats for sure, its almost instant, he has no speed at all to compare to a blitz thats for sure, which was the focus of Terry's sephiroth debate and sephiroth wouldnt have that arm mounted sonic/pulse booster item

2 seconds? Look again. He moved in a fair half second and faster than the eye could read in slowmotion. Kain moved at superhuman speed, indeed very fast. But we could see him as he moved and it is clearly not as fast. Loz was blurr in slowmotion while Kain was a fast vampire.

Seph's sword >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Loz's weapon.

Originally posted by Furion
Seph's sword >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Loz's weapon.

Most likely

Originally posted by Lady Fox
2 seconds? Look again. He moved in a fair half second and faster than the eye could read in slowmotion. Kain moved at superhuman speed, indeed very fast. But we could see him as he moved and it is clearly not as fast. Loz was blurr in slowmotion while Kain was a fast vampire.

no he kicked that thing, then started moving, it took a second or a little more for him to be next to Tifa after kicking that thing

Kain moved over a shorter distance its true, also faster than the eye can see? he did not move too fast that we could not see him, because we can see him, unless you mean by Tifas reaction, but i could see him. especially because of the blue blur so i could see him.

but the diffrence altho i agree there is one, is nowhere near double kains speed, maybe nearly a quarter more but still

also ive forgotten why to Terry loz' speed is relevent, you see i thought he was the part of sephiroths speed because Csdabest said he was, but from reading FF wikia which is prob not the best source of info all 3 of them depict personalities of sephiroth, not physical traits, so is FF wikia wrong? if so, wheres the official information that states their aspects of Physical sephiroth

if its not wrong, then Loz' speed has nothing to do with sephiroth

also i hope sword beats>>puny and weak sonic pulse weapon

Originally posted by Burning thought
no he kicked that thing, then started moving, it took a second or a little more for him to be next to Tifa after kicking that thing

Kain moved over a shorter distance its true, also faster than the eye can see? he did not move too fast that we could not see him, because we can see him, unless you mean by Tifas reaction, but i could see him. especially because of the blue blur so i could see him.

but the diffrence altho i agree there is one, is nowhere near double kains speed, maybe nearly a quarter more but still

also ive forgotten why to Terry loz' speed is relevent, you see i thought he was the part of sephiroths speed because Csdabest said he was, but from reading FF wikia which is prob not the best source of info all 3 of them depict personalities of sephiroth, not physical traits, so is FF wikia wrong? if so, wheres the official information that states their aspects of Physical sephiroth

if its not wrong, then Loz' speed has nothing to do with sephiroth

also i hope sword beats>>puny and weak sonic pulse weapon

You can literly know or accurately count when Loz starts moving, you only get a glimpse of how fast he was moving, but
clearly Loz moved faster then Tifa's eyes can follow, as you can see her face expression doesnt even have time to change.

It was stated in the ultimania guide that all three of the guys are physical manifestations of Sephiroth, he created them, they have his personally traits. However since Sephiroth made them, they clearly got their powers from Sephiroth, its common sense.

Originally posted by Burning thought
no he kicked that thing, then started moving, it took a second or a little more for him to be next to Tifa after kicking that thing

Kain moved over a shorter distance its true, also faster than the eye can see? he did not move too fast that we could not see him, because we can see him, unless you mean by Tifas reaction, but i could see him. especially because of the blue blur so i could see him.

but the diffrence altho i agree there is one, is nowhere near double kains speed, maybe nearly a quarter more but still

also ive forgotten why to Terry loz' speed is relevent, you see i thought he was the part of sephiroths speed because Csdabest said he was, but from reading FF wikia which is prob not the best source of info all 3 of them depict personalities of sephiroth, not physical traits, so is FF wikia wrong? if so, wheres the official information that states their aspects of Physical sephiroth

if its not wrong, then Loz' speed has nothing to do with sephiroth

also i hope sword beats>>puny and weak sonic pulse weapon

Wrooooong. He does not start when he kicks it. He stands at place when the camera shot him. As it switches clip, you HEAR him start moving and you see him arriving within the same second.

Originally posted by Terryc250
You can literly know or accurately count when Loz starts moving, you only get a glimpse of how fast he was moving, but
clearly Loz moved faster then Tifa's eyes can follow, as you can see her face expression doesnt even have time to change.

It was stated in the ultimania guide that all three of the guys are physical manifestations of Sephiroth, he created them, they have his personally traits. However since Sephiroth made them, they clearly got their powers from Sephiroth, its common sense.

hmm ive not seen this Ultimania guide, so id need some official information that i can see

maybe they got their powers from sephiroth, just because he made them doesnt mean he has their powers, or what ones have the specific powers, just because Loz is fast doesnt mean Sephiroth is definaltey as fast, especially since ive never seen him move as quick as Loz before

Originally posted by Lady Fox
Wrooooong. He does not start when he kicks it. He stands at place when the camera shot him. As it switches clip, you HEAR him start moving and you see him arriving within the same second.

ofc he would start when he kicks it, or not long after otherwise he would not of kicked it, he kicked it for a distraction and not long after maybe less than a second moved, it took him slightly longer to move over the longer distance he did than it took kain to move the shorter distance he had but its not a good comparison, since their diffrent distances

either way now i see it, Loz speed is irrelevent to every fight, unless someone makes a kain VS Loz......but only Sol would make that missmatch

Irrelevant? It sure is. I am just clearing up the fact that he is far faster than Kain. You hear when he start moving, because the very same sound stops when he stop moving. Thus' it is his "blitz" that you hear. He kicked the table for a distraction, but do you seriously think he needed to? Did you see the speed he moved in? Both when he ran at her and when he moved in the clip after.

Faster than the eye, easy.

Originally posted by Lady Fox
Irrelevant? It sure is. I am just clearing up the fact that he is far faster than Kain. You hear when he start moving, because the very same sound stops when he stop moving. Thus' it is his "blitz" that you hear. He kicked the table for a distraction, but do you seriously think he needed to? Did you see the speed he moved in? Both when he ran at her and when he moved in the clip after.

Faster than the eye, easy.

not far, faster but not by far at all, not blitz material which was the whole rubbish about in the sephiroth thread, as i said before hed prob get a couple of hits over kain for his speed but hes not too fast for kain to handle thats for sure, maybe Tifa, but not Kain

but then nobody can rly move when kain has Tk over them so its irrelevent as you said 😄

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