Originally posted by psycho gundam
lol you included a guy that has celestial tech and expect him to fight against them. the celestials can just make them all teleport them to the outer reaches of the galaxy on a whim.
Er dont you think with Uatu help they could actually use the tech to gain insight on the Celestials.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
This "prep time" type of fights really need to be more concrete on certain things. For example, can Batman call for outside help ? Like resources or other characters in his aid ?
Just the other characters on the team.
Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Dont know how much help your gonna get from the watcher he'll probably just stand there and watch.
Originally posted by fatgogeta
Odin and his gang of Skyfathers had a thousand years and they couldn't come up with anything of value. Barring the acquisition of some deus ex machina artifact, the team gets blasted to cosmic dust.
I think Doom raided Asagard on his own once.
Originally posted by MightyEInherjar
Celestials.If Asgard practically prepping their whole existence can't stop the Celestials, I doubt these guys for a year will.
See above.
Originally posted by Terryc250
ppl think the watchers r comparable to the celestial, because they had a war along time ago, but ur forgetting that there r millions of watchers, ONE watcher wont be enough.
Yeah but they have prep. Punisher couldnt beat DD, Cap and Shang Chi but if you gave him a years prep he possibly could.
Originally posted by Terryc250
ppl think the watchers r comparable to the celestial, because they had a war along time ago, but ur forgetting that there r millions of watchers, ONE watcher wont be enough.
Billions of Watchers
Billions of Celestials
Uatu watched as the comin of the Monolith Gatherer
Arishem and Exitar destroyed the leader of the Watchers known as 'The One'
well with Kang's tech that year could be a eternity with his time manipulation. I think Kang could get futuristic tech, Uatu gets alien tech, Doom brings his magic, and Batman bring his.... utility belt. Plus they could use Apocalypse's celestial tech and dissect it to better understand what the Celestials are using.
Originally posted by redhotrash
well with Kang's tech that year could be a eternity with his time manipulation. I think Kang could get futuristic tech, Uatu gets alien tech, Doom brings his magic, and Batman bring his.... utility belt. Plus they could use Apocalypse's celestial tech and dissect it to better understand what the Celestials are using.
Exactly, but Kang cant extend time beyond a year....thats cheating.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Didnt Dr Doom raid Asagard on his own?
I have never read him doing so, and it doesn't really change the facts that the entire earth Pantheon had thousand years to prepare for the attack from the 4fth host, there most brilliant device was then reduced to slag 😬 I have a really hard time seeing how this team is going to defeat the fourth Celestial host.
Originally posted by Utrigita
I have never read him doing so, and it doesn't really change the facts that the entire earth Pantheon had thousand years to prepare for the attack from the 4fth host, there most brilliant device was then reduced to slag 😬 I have a really hard time seeing how this team is going to defeat the fourth Celestial host.
OK read these scans.
http://img9.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fftwgcm11odingalactusrivals4li.jpg
Doom steals Galactuses powers.
http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doomasgardians9km.jpg
http://img78.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doomodin17yr.jpg
http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doomodin26rz.jpg
Doom beats up Asagard including Odin and Thor.
Ok lets do math. Doom is smart enough to take out a whole entire pantheon. Doom is smart enough to steal Galactuses power. Whats more powerful Galactus or a Celestial? I was under the impression that Galactus was more powerful than one Celestial or at the least has the same power as one Celestial. Not only that Doom has temporarily defeated The Beyonder and Beyonder was more powerful than Galactus.
How mant Celestials in the 4th Celestial Host? Nine. OK Doom is smart enough to beat one Celestial, down to 8. Uatu is smart enough to beat one Celestial down to 7.
Wait a second arent there like 6 other people there who are just as smart as Doom or almost? Doesnt one of them already have Celestial tech? Couldnt Uatu and Doom find a way to use that tech againt the other Celestials? Yes they can. Looking at what Doom can achieve on his own and considering the smarts and powers of the others makes them more dangerous than the entire earth pantheon.
The Celestials are going down.
Originally posted by Alfheim
OK read these scans.http://img9.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fftwgcm11odingalactusrivals4li.jpg
Doom steals Galactuses powers.
http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doomasgardians9km.jpg
http://img78.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doomodin17yr.jpg
http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doomodin26rz.jpgDoom beats up Asagard including Odin and Thor.
Of cause he does but that isn't just the power of Galactus he is using there, its a watches machinery a Cosmic Cube and the device that powers the terrigian mist, are you in you prep including that he suddenly has access to all those items and at the same time just happends to know where Galactus is?
Ok lets do math. Doom is smart enough to take out a whole entire pantheon. Doom is smart enough to steal Galactuses power. Whats more powerful Galactus or a Celestial? I was under the impression that Galactus was more powerful than one Celestial or at the least has the same power as one Celestial.[/B]
Correcting he is strong enough to take them on. And Galactus just as normally is dumb as a cow. And it's correct that Galactus is more powerful then a Celestial but Doom usurped Galactus power but Galactus got them back again, that means that Doom must wait until the actual battle startes to get Galactus power and if we disclude the normal CIS from Galactus then there is no chance for Doom to steal the power of Galactus, unless tech that Doom has suddenly > PC used to full extent.
How mant Celestials in the 4th Celestial Host? Nine. OK Doom is smart enough to beat one Celestial, down to 8. Uatu is smart enough to beat one Celestial down to 7.[/B]
I thought you said that Uatu couldn't get involved in the fight, and if they knew a way to defeat the Celestials don't you think that Uatu who makes a habit out of breaking his oath would have explained to Reed who such a machine can be constructed.
Wait a second arent there like 6 other people there who are just as smart as Doom or almost? Doesnt one of them already have Celestial tech? Couldnt Uatu and Doom find a way to use that tech againt the other Celestials? Yes they can. Looking at what Doom can achieve on his own and considering the smarts and powers of the others makes them more dangerous than the entire earth pantheon.The Celestials are going down. [/B]
And yet none of them haven't prep anything near the scall of Doom (as you showed above) so to say that because they are just as inteligent ore more means that they are just as good at prep as Doom???
Use Apocalypses tech against the Celestials it's the same as saying that with the Power Cosmic from Surfer you can defeat Galactus. 😬
The entire Earth Pantheon infused a part of there power into the destroyer armor and it ended up as slag, This team will try to come up with something along that line to. A device that will somehow be capable of disturbing the armor of the Celestial thus sending them back to the energy based form. But there is no guenrantee that it will work against the Celestials it isn't like they have a Celestial standing they can try different attacks on, the only one they have to give them information concerning the Celestials is Uatu and what Uatu knows about the Celestials is that they are basically undefeatable.
sorry for the wrong spelling pressed reply instead of spellcheck.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Of cause he does but that isn't just the power of Galactus he is using there, its a watches machinery a Cosmic Cube and the device that powers the terrigian mist, are you in you prep including that he suddenly has access to all those items and at the same time just happends to know where Galactus is?
I dont see what the problem is here. The scans show that Doom is smart enough to obtain these items...thats the point.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Correcting he is strong enough to take them on. And Galactus just as normally is dumb as a cow. And it's correct that Galactus is more powerful then a Celestial but Doom usurped Galactus power but Galactus got them back again,
Yes I know he got them back, but the fact that Doom was able to take the power from a being more powerful than a Celestial means he is at least smart enough to use prep to beat at least 1 Celestial.
Originally posted by Utrigita
that means that Doom must wait until the actual battle startes to get
Galactus power and if we disclude the normal CIS from Galactus then there is no chance for Doom to steal the power of Galactus, unless tech that Doom has suddenly > PC used to full extent.
I think CIS is allowed in debates but even if that were included Doom hs outsmarted other powerful beings as well.
Originally posted by UtrigitaI thought you said that Uatu couldn't get involved in the fight, and if they knew a way to defeat the Celestials don't you think that Uatu who makes a habit out of breaking his oath would have explained to Reed who such a machine can be constructed.
Well lets put it this way...is a watcher powerful enough to take on a Celestial, because if they are that means they should know a way to beat Celestals. Hell Uatu may not have told Reed how to beat the Celestials but looking at there powerset they should know how. Thats like saying that eventhough Cap can beat Spiderman he cant think of way how to beat him. Hell didnt the Celestials actually have to "power up" to beat the Watchers?
Originally posted by Utrigita
And yet none of them haven't prep anything near the scall of Doom (as you showed above) so to say that because they are just as inteligent ore more means that they are just as good at prep as Doom???
I never said smarter than Doom its just some of them seem just as smart. The Master doesnt have prep showings as good as Doom but some of his showings are just as good as Doom and some of them seem better, same could be said for the others. Overall though Doom has the highest. To be fair looking at how Doom defeat Big G in Secret Wars isnt anything that The Master, Batman, Promothues or Apoaclypse could do furthermore lets look at how Dr Doom beat Big G one time:
Cosmic cube. Didnt AIM create the cosmic cube. Whats stopping any of the other from obtaining a cosmic cube?
Terrigen Mist. Whats stopping any of the others from gaining Terrigen mist. Hell didnt Apoc beat all of the Inhumans once?
Watchers tech. Hell Uatu is helping them.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Use Apocalypses tech against the Celestials it's the same as saying that with the Power Cosmic from Surfer you can defeat Galactus. 😬
No not if you have the others and Uatu helping you.
Originally posted by Utrigita
The entire Earth Pantheon infused a part of there power into the destroyer armor and it ended up as slag, This team will try to come up with something along that line to. A device that will somehow be capable of disturbing the armor of the Celestial thus sending them back to the energy based form. But there is no guenrantee that it will work against the Celestials it isn't like they have a Celestial standing they can try different attacks on, the only one they have to give them information concerning the Celestials is Uatu and what Uatu knows about the Celestials is that they are basically undefeatable.
How are they undeaftable when Doom has beaten people more powerful than The Celestials? How are they undeaftable when Thanos has taken control of the whole uiniverse. Yes I know Thanos isnt on the team but something tells me that my team could beat Thanos.
How are they unddeaftable when they had to prep thousands of years to beat the Watchers? If you are powerful enough to make an opponent prep that means they are not invincible.
Originally posted by Terryc250
the only way Dr Doom can win is if he steals one of the celestials powers, and that will be alot harder then stealing galactus' power because the celestials are in numbers
G is more powerful than a Celestial.
