did got set humans up to fail?

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
That's not really relevant.

It is to all those people who believe the bible literally. If you believe that the god, in the bible, is just man's interpretation of god, and not to be taken literally, then we are in agreement.

Why was this not changed to God yet.

It is irritating.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
This is true. It would require a paradigm shift in the nature of God, but it would certainly get rid of most of the arguments against the existence of God.

Then He would not be much of a god, would He?

I am perfectly okay with people utilizing the Bible, or Quran, or Vedis, or whatnot to have some kind of guidance towards what they percieve as God.

The problem is when a person beleives that thier chosen book is the only path to God or Enlightenment of some kind. People choose different paths, and different things work for them. As long as they do not cause another person suffering, than there shouldn't be a problem.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then the bible is wrong when it says that god is all knowing?

I think it is. That was just an instance of a guy inserting what he felt was an attribute of God.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I think it is. That was just an instance of a guy inserting what he felt was an attribute of God.

Then in some small way, we agree.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I think it is. That was just an instance of a guy inserting what he felt was an attribute of God.

That's okay. We are all only human. As long as we recognize that we may not know everything.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It is to all those people who believe the bible literally. If you believe that the god, in the bible, is just man's interpretation of god, and not to be taken literally, then we are in agreement.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
I am perfectly okay with people utilizing the Bible, or Quran, or Vedis, or whatnot to have some kind of guidance towards what they percieve as God.

The problem is when a person beleives that thier chosen book is [b]the only path to God or Enlightenment of some kind. People choose different paths, and different things work for them. As long as they do not cause another person suffering, than there shouldn't be a problem. [/B]

I don't fall for that crap. "Whatever works for them"--yes, if they're just trying to get through this life. "Whatever" leads to the second death in the end, though.

Here's a thought: What if hell is real? And what if I feel that, in order to save people from going to hell, I have to do anything humanly possible to get them to repent? What if I torture them to bring them to God? What if that is the truly right thing to do?

After all, I am allowing them to die if I do otherwise. Isn't bringing them pain that they might find life preferable to letting them go on to find death?

(Chew on that one for awhile. I can already hear the flames.)

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
We're not...

We're not what? 😕 I wasn't talking to you, so your interjection is nonsense.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
then we are in agreement.

I responded.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
You said this to me.

I responded.

😕 I think I responded to the wrong post. 😮 I would never agree with you. 😛

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
This is the typical tripe that you nonbelievers spout.

So ? It's better than the crap you try to preach.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
I don't fall for that crap. "Whatever works for them"--yes, if they're just trying to get through this life. "Whatever" leads to the second death in the end, though.

According to your myth.....

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Here's a thought: What if hell is real? And what if I feel that, in order to save people from going to hell, I have to do anything humanly possible to get them to repent? What if I torture them to bring them to God? What if that is the truly right thing to do?

Here's a thought:

1) What if Hell isn't real ?

2) What If I already considered repenting, but don't buy it ?

3) If you torture someone, than you are hurting them. If torture is a method God requires to bring others closer to him, than that is not the kind of God I want to be anywhere near.

4) Why would God require torture, but then try to get us to fear Hell ? You make no sense.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
After all, I am allowing them to die if I do otherwise. Isn't bringing them pain that they might find life preferable to letting them go on to find death?

You would honestly torture someone to convert them ? Are you insane ?

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
(Chew on that one for awhile. I can already hear the flames.)

All you have proven is what an idiot zealot you truly are.

Oh, you blithering twit, I was speaking hypothetically. Much like in my second post.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I think it is. That was just an instance of a guy inserting what he felt was an attribute of God.

well then ur admitting the bible is fallable. therefore all its content is suspect. how can u trust it then?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
all those people who believe the bible literally

how many?

No God never set humans up to fail.He gave us free will just like he gave the Angels but some of them messed up and so did our greatX grandmother(Eve)& granddad(Adam).If the point you wait to know is about Hell.Which i think it is. Hell was never ment for humans.As an matter of fact God said that he wish none would perishe but seens God is an holy God he must jugde sin even though he dosn't want us his childern to have to meet satan and his lackies face to face.

Originally posted by chickenlover98
god is supposed to be omniscient and omnipotent right? therefore he fortold that eve would be tempted by the snake. so he wanted them to fail, making us be kicked out of paradise.

my next thought: free will is a joke.

let me explain: god can see the future therefore he knows what you will do. you cant change what your going to do because it is oing to come true. therefore free will is an illusion

No he gives you the choice on which path you take.Even sciences states the at future is always changing due to our choices in life.Think of it as an game of Shoots and Ladders.God sits back an wacthes while the dice in these case is what you choose.if you choose to sin your going down the shoot but if you choose the high road(holy)you go up the ladder.

I would as that you not worry yourself friend with such thing.For God ways are much bigger than mans ways.We as humans can't think of how that or any thing of God works.This was even hard for me but the only thing that helped me was the Holy Ghost

Originally posted by Shalimar_fox
No God never set humans up to fail.He gave us free will just like he gave the Angels but some of them messed up and so did our greatX grandmother(Eve)& granddad(Adam).If the point you wait to know is about Hell.Which i think it is. Hell was never ment for humans.As an matter of fact God said that he wish none would perishe but seens God is an holy God he must jugde sin even though he dosn't want us his childern to have to meet satan and his lackies face to face.

He has free will.let me put it this way.We won't put up with sin. It's just that God keeps his word (something none one (not me,not you,not the pastor or prophet, or teach, or apostel, or Evangelist can do 100% of the time)

how can god keep his word when his word consists of contradicting and self negating concepts?