Originally posted by chickenlover98
god: im going to give you paradise, but if you break this rule which i set(which i KNOW your going to) then you and the rest of your kin for the rest of eternity can live a life of misery.
You are correct that according to most significant Christian religions, God gives people commandments that he knows they will break...many times. But if all your assumptions on Christianity were correct, the crucifixion of Christ wouldn't be viewed as anything more then another historical tragedy. As it is, Christ's death is the most significant part of every Christian religion because it signifies that Christ was willing to take the sufferings of all mankind upon himself...including punishments (on the condition that his sacrifice is accepted on an individual level).
Whether you believe it or not, you can't pretend that Christians believe in a God that is secretly conspiring to send them to hell.
Originally posted by chickenlover98
epic revival time
Wow this thread is from forever ago. I don't think I really feel like responding to anybody except myself (yes I'm copying wrathfuldwarf cause i think it's a sweet idea!!!)...
Originally posted by Quark_666
Whether you believe it or not, you can't pretend that Christians believe in a God that is secretly conspiring to send them to hell.
Naw, he isn't trying to make it a secret. He says it all over the place in the Bible.
Originally posted by Quark_666
Naw, he isn't trying to make it a secret. He says it all over the place in the Bible.
Are you referring to all those "if" statements? Our destruction is conditional.
Originally posted by Quark_666
Are you referring to all those "if" statements? Our destruction is conditional.
Conditional upon us being something other than human. We're are enemies of God from the moment we are born.
Originally posted by Quark_666
Conditional upon us being something other than human. We're are enemies of God from the moment we are born.
No, not till years later. Little children are alive in Christ.
Originally posted by Quark_666
No, not till years later. Little children are alive in Christ.
Alive in something. Ever been babysitting?
Originally posted by Quark_666
Alive in something. Ever been babysitting?
Okay, I'm tired of arguing with this idiot. Somebody else say something.
How is God a dick?
You have to look at it from a parent/child perspective. The parent loves his/her kid very very much, gave them life, and takes the proper steps to see to it the child grows.
Then one day they go to the grocery store and the kid goes nuts, opening packages, breaking bottles...doing all the things the store rules said not to do. The parent decides to discipline the child and puts them in time out.
Is the parent a dick for making it very clear to the child that wrong things were done? Chickenlover, you seem to think humans are this very innocent, flawless kind of people. Even before we had sin, with just Adam and Eve, they were stupidly naive and gullible. God said "don't eat from that tree." Yet as soon as someone else says to go ahead, they do it. The phrase, "But my God said no" goes out the window.
So going back to the story, the parent did not set the child up to fail. The child, through ignorance, being naive, or whatever, had the free will to do bad things and the parent was disappointed. Never once does the parent hurt the child or seem to take satisfaction in their suffering.
The people (and God) that love us always want us to do better, to strive for improvement. We're going to fail, but that doesn't mean we can't try to be a little more like what God wants us to be.
Originally posted by willofthewisp
How is God a dick?You have to look at it from a parent/child perspective. The parent loves his/her kid very very much, gave them life, and takes the proper steps to see to it the child grows.
Then one day they go to the grocery store and the kid goes nuts, opening packages, breaking bottles...doing all the things the store rules said not to do. The parent decides to discipline the child and puts them in time out.
Is the parent a dick for making it very clear to the child that wrong things were done? Chickenlover, you seem to think humans are this very innocent, flawless kind of people. Even before we had sin, with just Adam and Eve, they were stupidly naive and gullible. God said "don't eat from that tree." Yet as soon as someone else says to go ahead, they do it. The phrase, "But my God said no" goes out the window.
So going back to the story, the parent did not set the child up to fail. The child, through ignorance, being naive, or whatever, had the free will to do bad things and the parent was disappointed. Never once does the parent hurt the child or seem to take satisfaction in their suffering.
The people (and God) that love us always want us to do better, to strive for improvement. We're going to fail, but that doesn't mean we can't try to be a little more like what God wants us to be.
of course god set us up to fail. if you acknoledge that god is all knowing, then he knows the fture. he already knew the serpent would tell adam and eve to eat the fruit. he fortold it seeing as he is omniscient. therefor free will is negated with knowledge.