Re: Master Chief runs the Doom Gauntlet
Originally posted by Snafu the GreatIf Flynn Taggart can do...I'm sure as hell Master Chief can, as Flynn is just some ordinary guy with shoddy armor.
It's simple enough. Master Chief has to survive the denziens of Hell from the first Doom to Doom 3.Will Master Chief survive?
Originally posted by Darth Extecute
Not gonna dignify that with a response, since I'll mainly bring up things everyone already know..Like for example, the point where MC stopped to study the log of a marine.. and the point where he used medkits.. What you mean, it's not in his character? What is his character then? What about his character makes him NOT read things he stumble across..
yes but stopping to study PDA, first its unlikely i think, the monsters in Doom can come out of nowhere, teleport in, since hes so tactically minded hes not going to stop and start reading PDA's and if he tries the likelyness is hell get swarmed and killed from behind or suddenly from above. Then you have this little niggle..he uses medkits, ive played some of the games..but if this is a real fight which is i belive it is (not gameplay) hes going to have to actually sort out the medkit, you can just jump on a medical box and lose a cold or cough in real life, i cant wake up feeling groggy and suddenly jump on my medical cabinet and feel well again, chiefs then going to have to as i said open places on his armour or where its damaged to fix his body if its harmed and as i said before, none of his armour is going to be repaired throughout the whole of Doom.
you always say that, someone is being underestimated....
he is 10x in every area in his own world, but in the Doomverse, the medkits will be indiffrent to him, hes got no way to use some of the artifacts without endangering himself and is unlikely to be able to use medikits due to them being of diffrent make to Haloverse ones, hes not going to be able to jump on medikits to activate them, the fact that the Doom marine survives is actually all due to Gameplay i feel, i mean all through the game theres gameplay elements and CIS thousands of times over in the game.
Sabboth would one-shot MC, a big BFG ball of energy, even if MC escapes the initial ball, it fires out beams
Originally posted by Burning thought
he is 10x in every area in his own world, but in the Doomverse, the medkits will be indiffrent to him
You don't need a med-kit when your armor is near unbreakable, you can lift 50 tons, and can move so fast that bullets move in slow motion to you.
hes got no way to use some of the artifacts without endangering himself and is unlikely to be able to use medikits due to them being of diffrent make to Haloverse ones, hes not going to be able to jump on medikits to activate them, the fact that the Doom marine survives is actually all due to Gameplay i feel, i mean all through the game theres gameplay elements and CIS thousands of times over in the game.
game mechanics don't apply in vs. fights. And saying "well he's not going to read it", is, quite frankly, BS. Because he's going through the story mode he'd have the same knowledge as the Doom guy. And if you read the books you know that stuff like that is in the CHief's character. He's trained to gather as much data as he can, so any form of data he comes across, like a PDA, he'll read it. Also, the Chief A) Doesn't need to worry about dying quickly because his shields and armor can withstand twenty times more damage then the Doom guy's armor, and his shields regenerate constantly. And B) The Chief' has one of the most basic FPS technology ever, a radar. He will see the doom guys coming a mile away. Everything is in the Chief's favor.
Sabboth would one-shot MC, a big BFG ball of energy, even if MC escapes the initial ball, it fires out beams
Doubt it. The chief is faster and smarter, so it won't matter.
Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
You don't need a med-kit when your armor is near unbreakable, you can lift 50 tons, and can move so fast that bullets move in slow motion to you.game mechanics don't apply in vs. fights. And saying "well he's not going to read it", is, quite frankly, BS. Because he's going through the story mode he'd have the same knowledge as the Doom guy. And if you read the books you know that stuff like that is in the CHief's character. He's trained to gather as much data as he can, so any form of data he comes across, like a PDA, he'll read it. Also, the Chief A) Doesn't need to worry about dying quickly because his shields and armor can withstand twenty times more damage then the Doom guy's armor, and his shields regenerate constantly. And B) The Chief' has one of the most basic FPS technology ever, a radar. He will see the doom guys coming a mile away. Everything is in the Chief's favor.
Doubt it. The chief is faster and smarter, so it won't matter.
1. near unbreakable? according to what, can you actually "show" me the information that states his armours durability, falls 2 km is all good and well but it means nothing if a charged plasma blast smashes into you followed by many more. Slow mo bullets, thats another one id like to see about as well, if you can prove he can move at that speed ill concede
2. what do you mean game mechanics, i i menstioned them as an example of what wont happen, MC will not touch a medkit, there wont be enough time...only in-game can there possibly be enough time. Also wether he wants to read it or not is besides the point, theres Doom creatures round every corner, taking away game mechanics nad CIS, they will be on top of him before he tries to read anything. Prove they can withstand this, remember all ive seen is MC in games getting one shotted by a single fuel rod or two....dont just state something, please bakc up his durability.....no he wont see them all coming, some teleport so suddenly hell see many blips all over his radar appearing around him and will be smothered, his radar is useless.
how is being faster or smarter (unless you can prove he moves faster than bullets) but being smarter wont help him in the slightest....that BFG will vapourise Chief.
Originally posted by Burning thought
[B]1. near unbreakable? according to what, can you actually "show" me the information that states his armours durability, falls 2 km is all good and well but it means nothing if a charged plasma blast smashes into you followed by many more. Slow mo bullets, thats another one id like to see about as well, if you can prove he can move at that speed ill concedeBoth of these are in the books. When the Chief first gets his armor and cyborg upgrades the UNSC decides to "test" them out by having
A) Multiple trained UNSC soldiers B) 50 millimeter turrets, and C) A jet fighter, all attack him. The Chief handles them all without too much of a sweat and remarks while he's fighting the soldiers (Note, there's like, seven of them all in a circle around him shooting at him and he's unarmed and manages to beat all of them.) that they and there appear appear to move in slow motion to him. He also times it just right so that when the jet fighter fires a missile at him he literally swats it away his hand. He also runs .9 kilometers in I think 19 seconds flat.
[quote]what do you mean game mechanics, i i mentioned them as an example of what wont happen, MC will not touch a medkit, there wont be enough time...only in-game can there possibly be enough time.
A) He doesn't need a medkit with near unbreakable armor and shields that constantly recharge. B) If he did need them he'd have plenty of time. All he has to do is kill all the enemies. Unlike the space marine the Chief will never get ambushed. He can see all his enemies before they even see him because of his motion sensor.
Also wether he wants to read it or not is besides the point, theres Doom creatures round every corner, taking away game mechanics nad CIS, they will be on top of him before he tries to read anything.
Already addressed. Look above.
Prove they can withstand this, remember all ive seen is MC in games getting one shotted by a single fuel rod or two....
Because Covenent weapons > Doom weapons. For example.
The monsters in the game that shoot at you tend to fire either human weapons, which are all inferior to covenant technology which fires beams that are hotter then the sun, and fireball stuff. The guy from Doom's armor is no where near as powerful or advanced as the Chief's armor, matter of fact his armor doesn't even cover his whole body. Yet, he can withstand multiple shots from all these weapons and keep fighting. If the space marine with inferior armor can withstand so many shots then so can Master Chief with his much more powerful armor, ya know, the one that protected SPARTANS from falling miles in the air? Do you know how much concussive force that is? Yet, some of the SPARTANS simply shrugged it off with sprained ankles. Spartan armor and shielding can also withstand many shots from plasma shots that are hotter then the sun 😬
some teleport so suddenly hell see many blips all over his radar appearing around him and will be smothered, his radar is useless.
Nah, the Chief has fought off literally hundreds of flood at once. More tiems then I can count I've run into a room and my entire motion sensor was filled with red, only red, but I've fought them all off.
how is being faster or smarter (unless you can prove he moves faster than bullets) but being smarter wont help him in the slightest....that BFG will vapourise Chief.
Simple, the Chief will do everything the space marine did, but better.
There is no possible way for Chief not to win this, if that Doom character makes it.
You could strip Chief naked of his armor and he would still have a better chance of than the Doom character. Which, trough Burning Thought's logic he would since he can get the enchantments from the game that way and since he in basic is better than the Doom character in every area 😄
I do not understand how this can even be a debate 😐
Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Both of these are in the books. When the Chief first gets his armor and cyborg upgrades the UNSC decides to "test" them out by havingA) Multiple trained UNSC soldiers B) 50 millimeter turrets, and C) A jet fighter, all attack him. The Chief handles them all without too much of a sweat and remarks while he's fighting the soldiers (Note, there's like, seven of them all in a circle around him shooting at him and he's unarmed and manages to beat all of them.) that they and there appear appear to move in slow motion to him. He also times it just right so that when the jet fighter fires a missile at him he literally swats it away his hand. He also runs .9 kilometers in I think 19 seconds flat.
A) He doesn't need a medkit with near unbreakable armor and shields that constantly recharge. B) If he did need them he'd have plenty of time. All he has to do is kill all the enemies. Unlike the space marine the Chief will never get ambushed. He can see all his enemies before they even see him because of his motion sensor.
Already addressed. Look above.
Because Covenent weapons > Doom weapons. For example.
The monsters in the game that shoot at you tend to fire either human weapons, which are all inferior to covenant technology which fires beams that are hotter then the sun, and fireball stuff. The guy from Doom's armor is no where near as powerful or advanced as the Chief's armor, matter of fact his armor doesn't even cover his whole body. Yet, he can withstand multiple shots from all these weapons and keep fighting. If the space marine with inferior armor can withstand so many shots then so can Master Chief with his much more powerful armor, ya know, the one that protected SPARTANS from falling miles in the air? Do you know how much concussive force that is? Yet, some of the SPARTANS simply shrugged it off with sprained ankles. Spartan armor and shielding can also withstand many shots from plasma shots that are hotter then the sun 😬
Nah, the Chief has fought off literally hundreds of flood at once. More tiems then I can count I've run into a room and my entire motion sensor was filled with red, only red, but I've fought them all off.
Simple, the Chief will do everything the space marine did, but better.
1. from what you said it makes him sound like hes saying the soldiers themselves were going slow motion, how would he possibly have a difficulty with fighting anything in the Haloverse if this was true.
(also are these books canon?)
A) near unbreakable, throughout the whole Doom game his armour isnt going to be unharmed at all, the blasts from the BFG and Mancubus guns are also Plasma weapons (infact the BFG fires something stronger than plasma) And as i said, he could easily get ambushed, teleportation, something the covenants rarely use especially not to teleport right next to chief.
Covenant weapons>doom weapons....all plasma weapons due to the plasma term are actually as hot as the sun..look above. Also beams hotter than the sun doesnt mean anything, lightnign strikes the earth hotter than the surface of the sun but the size of the impact and its speed means they are not actually comparable even if their heat does hit this temperature...The guy from doom can use various artefacts that negate MC armour advantage, MC wont be able to use any of them while covered in his armour. Now your bringing gameplay into it, Surviving multiple rockets as a human is gameplay unless you have a shield then that can be taken into account, sure MC will take several shots but they fire far more rapidly than anything in halo afaik, especialyl if the books weapons are like the games.
that doesnt mean anything, flood do not=hellknights and all kinds of various horrible doom baddies, not to menstion many of them use magic.
"the same the marine did but better", thats gameplay again, what the marine did is survive impossible odds due to Doom being mainly all gameplay, the BFG is a super large plasma ball that can shoot beams of plasma at enemies as the ball moves, when it hits it explodes causing more damage, MC will not survive a couple shots of this thing, if he can survive one, also it has to be mesntioned
the character in Doom can hold all weapons....due to gameplay, if ime right in understand this is not gameplay, then MC can only carry possibly 2/3 weapons....maybe 2 heavy weapons on his body at a time.
Originally posted by Diamond Kisses
[b]There is no possible way for Chief not to win this, if that Doom character makes it.You could strip Chief naked of his armor and he would still have a better chance of than the Doom character. Which, trough Burning Thought's logic he would since he can get the enchantments from the game that way and since he in basic is better than the Doom character in every area 😄
I do not understand how this can even be a debate 😐
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your obviously not taking into account a lot of things then if you cant see how it can be a debate, the Doom character is based entirely around gameplay as is the doom games, which is why he wins, if it was more realistic you could likely carry just one BFG and possibly one extra cell, in the game the marine can somehow carry every weapon, every object and tonnes of ammo....this is unrealistic, taking realism into this battle (unless ofcourse i mis understand and its all gameplay mechanics as well) then Chief "can" lose.
And yes i agree, strip Chief naked and hed have a better chance i think than if he had all his armour, his armour will limit him in the Doom universe, because without he can get all the Doom powerups.
Originally posted by Remindme
I say MC dies because in my mind he doesn't get the enchancements Flynn gets, giving him another game characters powers & his own is completely retarded.MC with his gear is not enough to deal with armies of hell.
Halo bad guys are non compairable to Dooms, end of story.
Originally posted by Remindme
I say MC dies because in my mind he doesn't get the enchancements Flynn gets, giving him another game characters powers & his own is completely retarded.MC with his gear is not enough to deal with armies of hell.
Halo bad guys are non compairable to Dooms, end of story.
Maybe Halo enemies are not comparable to Cyberdemons, but what more indicate that the Doom units are better of than the covenants?
Originally posted by Diamond Kisses
[b]Maybe Halo enemies are not comparable to Cyberdemons, but what more indicate that the Doom units are better of than the covenants? [/B]
well as i said, Mancubuses are like brutes, only their a lot bigger and have two fuel rod like weapons that fire rapid, then you have teleporting enemies that have no fear whatsovever unlike grunts who run sometimes and are fairly cowardly.
Originally posted by Diamond Kisses
[b]A lot bigger meaning....? And what makes them like brutes? [/B]
a lot bigger, their massive fat things that seem to be able to survive great amounts of weapon fire, grenades, plasma, rockets...it takes ages to kill them sometimes, ive had to expend entire mini gun clips into them or a BFG blast to kill em.
Their like brutes because brutes are like the big covenant creatures, using large plasma weapons (fuel rods i think their called) only Mancubus have double plasma guns one on each arm and shoot very quickly, where brutes charge up, mancubus fire them out rapid fire. hell knights can be even stronger.
Big covenant is not brutes. Big covenant is Scarab. Big covenant is Wraith. Brutes can dual wield too and fire rapidly. Brutes can also jump long distances and throw warthogs with a mere physical touch. Brute chieftains could possibly use a warthog as baseball bat. Tartarus jump over 60ft in the second game.
In the third game, Master Chief battle against a being that use a laser powerful enough to launch him across the room, without giving him a scratch. Master Chief has a circus weight of a ton with his armor. The laser blast is immense and he withstand it, get up and get back into action.
And I do not think I have to remind you about the fact that he fell over two kilometers and got up only a while after. Not the slightest harmed physically. Only his armor had locked somewhat.
Concerning your beloved powerups, that problem is solved too. Master Chief would more than happily sacrefice a glove or two for powerups. The jumping boots is not really a requirement since Master Chief can climb near flat 90* areas and jump over two meter.
As a finish, no offense but Master Chief is a better soldier than you. Just because you had to empty an entire clip does not mean he has to. He is better than you, Flynn and Doom guides together at analyzing a weakness of opposition and far better than all three in combat. Not to mention his near infinite stamina, his superhuman physical abilities and his intelligence 😛
Originally posted by Diamond Kisses
[b]Big covenant is not brutes. Big covenant is Scarab. Big covenant is Wraith. Brutes can dual wield too and fire rapidly. Brutes can also jump long distances and throw warthogs with a mere physical touch. Brute chieftains could possibly use a warthog as baseball bat. Tartarus jump over 60ft in the second game.In the third game, Master Chief battle against a being that use a laser powerful enough to launch him across the room, without giving him a scratch. Master Chief has a circus weight of a ton with his armor. The laser blast is immense and he withstand it, get up and get back into action.
And I do not think I have to remind you about the fact that he fell over two kilometers and got up only a while after. Not the slightest harmed physically. Only his armor had locked somewhat.
Concerning your beloved powerups, that problem is solved too. Master Chief would more than happily sacrefice a glove or two for powerups. The jumping boots is not really a requirement since Master Chief can climb near flat 90* areas and jump over two meter.
As a finish, no offense but Master Chief is a better soldier than you. Just because you had to empty an entire clip does not mean he has to. He is better than you, Flynn and Doom guides together at analyzing a weakness of opposition and far better than all three in combat. Not to mention his near infinite stamina, his superhuman physical abilities and his intelligence 😛
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Wraith, i thought a Wraith was a vehicle. ime prob thinking of something else since i doubt youd bring up a veichle into this.
my beloved powerups lol....this doesnt matter, he is still not going to have the ammo, the stamina to survive all the Doom games in a row unless he gets tonnes of rest between each, then is chances are 15% instead of possibly 5% if he doesnt get rest. Also does Chiefs suit have any power supply? how long does it last if it does.
also what are you talking about, just because i had to empty an entire clip..the clips only have so much, ive shot all over the body what you say there is foolishness, your giving them weaknesses that they do not have, just because chief is a better soldier doesnt mean he can use weapons hes never seen before better than the characters who use them and have trianing with the particulour weapons nor does it mean the monsters durability decreases just because its fighting MC
the truth of it is, hes going to run out of amuniton, he can only carry 2 maybe 3 if we push it weapons at a time..and only so much amunition, possibly a couple of clips for a machine gun, some shotgun shells...only one BFG plasma pack..so none of this carrying 15 bfg cells or wahtever i got, thats impossible in realism without gameplay, their each nearly as big as the gun. So hes got limited guns, ammountion, hes going to find himself crushed when he comes up against too many demons and his weapons last clip/cell falls to the floor..then he gets destryoed.