Originally posted by Lara
so there is no problem with using a stainless steel balti dish instead of a proper cauldron then? 😂
none at all.... the tools are symbols... you could technically use a tupperware bowl if you wanted too... as long as you believe it symbolises the earth.... after all, plastic is oil, and oil is a minerl...
Originally posted by anaconda
research into what?
Reaserach into paganism. A bit like you they make sweeping generalisations and its like some stuff is even made up. I saw one site where some wiccan was saying that Skadi was a very dark godess if they had done some research thay would know that she is quite compassionate as well.
Reaserach into paganism. A bit like you they make sweeping generalisations and its like some stuff is even made up. I saw one site where some wiccan was saying that Skadi was a very dark godess if they had done some research thay would know that she is quite compassionate as well.who is generalising now?
some stuff made up huh unlike Norse mythology then 🙄
Originally posted by anaconda
who is generalising now?some stuff made up huh unlike Norse mythology then 🙄
See how you missed the point as usual? What im talking about here is lack of research, this is the reason why they generalise like you. Im qualified to say that they generalise because ive read books, website and spoke to them online doing such things.
When I mean making things up I mean saying their were preistess of Skadi when they're werent any. It could be argued that the godess Skadi is "made up" but she is part of heathen mythology. Its wrong to say this was part of heathen mythology when it wasnt.
Now maybe im wrong but as far as I know this is not true.
Originally posted by Storm
It is rather rude to make general statements just because some people may have acted in some particular way.
Ive read books by wiccans, spoke to many wiccans online read lots of websites by wiccans and all the time there has been an indication of lack of research and basically making stuff up. So its not just some people, thats one of the main reasons why heathens call themslves heathens they want to dissassociate themselves from the pagans.
Now im sure some wiiccans are different but from personal experience this is the impression ive got and its not like I dont have any basis for it. Its not rude to say it ive done alot of research and this seems to be the case.
See how you missed the point as usual?miss the point, get real you take and entire group and base it on what? You encountered a Wicca site that looked on Skaði as a dark goddess and certain others few aspects through conversations, so what? they can interpreter her as they wish. You are into neo Norse mythology that has very little in common with the mythology that was practiced in the northern part of Europe and especially the Scandinavian countries. So in fact your group of hedonist is just as far of or as correct as the Wicca. They only took one out of a mythology and made her a black goddess and they can do it to, if they wanna bring in a new kind of myth/religion pagan ritual/spiritual and follow that crap let them. Who says Norse mythology has copyright into Skaði now, look at how many ways they interpreter Jesus in the different denominations so why should Skaði be treated any different. Hell the poem Håløygjatal from northern part of Norway even have Skaði as Odin's wife, very different for how they saw her in the western part of Norway , so even in the ancient ways of Norse mythology you had different ways,local folk lore, of looking at the gods, but she had a dark aura around her though.
When I mean making things up I mean saying their were preistess of Skadi when they're werent anyagain they can make up whatever they want
Ive read books by wiccans, spoke to many wiccans online read lots of websites by wiccans and all the time there has been an indication of lack of research and basically making stuff uphow the hell do you think mythology starts
Originally posted by anaconda
miss the point, get real you take and entire group and base it on what? You encountered a Wicca site that looked on Skaði as a dark goddess and certain others few aspects through conversations, so what? they can interpreter her as they wish. You are into neo Norse mythology that has very little in common with the mythology that was practiced in the northern part of Europe and especially the Scandinavian countries. So in fact your group of hedonist is just as far of or as correct as the Wicca. They only took one out of a mythology and made her a black goddess and they can do it to, if they wanna bring in a new kind of myth/religion pagan ritual/spiritual and follow that crap let them. Who says Norse mythology has copyright into Skaði now, look at how many ways they interpreter Jesus in the different denominations so why should Skaði be treated any different. Hell the poem Håløygjatal from northern part of Norway even have Skaði as Odin's wife, very different for how they saw her in the western part of Norway , so even in the ancient ways of Norse mythology you had different ways,local folk lore, of looking at the gods, but she had a dark aura around her though.
(Skaði way of picking a husband/mate/spouse by choosing from the feet you kind of find again in the fairy tale of Cinderella)
she most likely had her own cult following within Norse mythology here in Norway 1000 or so years ago, we can see that on all the places that bears her name and still do
Again you dont listen. Did I say that I encountered A wicca site. I said site(S). Read my post again. Stop taking what you want from my post and read it as a whole.
Again your not telling me anything I dont know already. You keep talking down to me because you think your Norwegian and you know it all. Now as I stated before I could be wrong but from personal expreinece from research Wiccans tend to make things up and generalise.
Now I know that Skadi was the wife of of Odin and I know that at least one place was named after her in Sweden. I know shes a bloody dark godess but my poiint was thats a generalisation. ..now...heres what you can do for me. I want you to find a source which says that there were priestesses of Skadi that made blood sacrifices.
Originally posted by anaconda
again they can make up whatever they wanthow the hell do you think mythology starts
I never said that they couldnt you missed the point again. You just dont listen do you? I never said it was wrong I even saids it wasnt wrong, what I said was wrong was saying something was part of heathenism when its not. Theres nothing wrong with making stuff up but if your going to make stuff up know that you're doing it dont say some **** like people used to do such and such when they didnt.
Furthermore why im taking **** from somebody who says that.
Originally posted by anaconda
Thor was about cracking heads, party all night then out to fight again.
WRONG.
Originally posted by anaconda
That was the Viking way, thats what they believed that if they die in battle they go to Valhall where they fought wars at day, partied at night.
WRONG they dont just go to Valhalla.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Your making sweeping generlisations again. If you worshipped Odin you would go to Valhalla, if you worshipped Thor you would go to Thruderheim. Some people in Iceland beleived that when you died you would go and live in the mountains other acounts show that people beleived that when you died you would go to Hell (The realm of Hela, you probably know this).
Originally posted by anaconda
what ?????
You didnt even know that.
Originally posted by anacondanow it was what they sought, their reward going to Valhall
thus the wish to die by blood, if you didnt you didnt enter the realm of the gods
WRONG....
Originally posted by anaconda
only the brave came to Valhall, women and those of lower rank came to Hel, unless they died in battle.
WRONG again.
Now I could be wrong but I dont like being talked down to some arrogant so and so he gots his stuff wrong on a regular basis.
I saw one site where some wiccan was saying that Skadi was a very dark godess if they had done some research thay would know that she is quite compassionate as well.you wrote you saw one site not site(s), your own words man
Again your not telling me anything I dont know already. You keep talking down to me because you think your Norwegian and you know it allnot at all, still we are thought this in school from day one though as part of our cultural inherit age and I aint taking about that neo norse mythology crap, the romanticised stuff you read about now, a mythology that has gone a little more adventurous than the plain and simple way it actual were.
Now I could be wrong but I dont like being talked down to some arrogant so and so he gots his stuff wrong on a regular basis.what goes around comes around
Thor was about cracking heads, party all night then out to fight again.
I want you to find a source which says that there were priestesses of Skadi that made blood sacrificeswho said anything about priestesses, the fact that she had a following and probably a cult ,is shown in all the places that bears her name (Skadevid, Skadelunda, Skee, Skea, Skodje, Skadaland ) In the poem Loketretten(Loke arguing) she says "..så skal kalde råd ramme deg støtt fra mine vé og vanger " then cold advice shall constantly hit you from my woe and places of worship/shrines/alters)
WRONG they dont just go to Valhalla.Valhall was their utopia, it was were they wanted to go due to what happened there. Norse myth have other places were they supposedly ended up
Originally posted by anaconda
you wrote you saw one site not site(s), your own words man
This is exactly what im talking about my opinion on wiccans is not just based on one site or one person.
Originally posted by anaconda
one though as part of our cultural inherit age and I aint taking about that neo norse mythology crap, the romanticised stuff you read about now, a mythology that has gone a little more adventurous than the plain and simple way it actual were.
Am I talking about neo-norse mythology? 🤨
Originally posted by anaconda
again, regional differences into how they viewed the gods, western Norway the ones that sailed Viking saw Tor and Tyr as their war gods, Tor the angry Tyr the brave. When the christening of Norway started by force Tors hammer became a silent weapon of resistance in a way that it both could be a symbol of christianity or Åsa tro(norse myth..)in the means as a crucifix and a hammer depending on who asked. and the "jewlery2 Tors hammer have been found in many archaeological grave diggings all over the country. Due to the topography of this country it can ONLY mean that Tor was a god for everyone regardless occupation (thush being a farmer, soldier)
Why are you telling me this? My quote has nothing to do with the information your giving me.
Originally posted by anaconda
who said anything about priestesses, the fact that she had a following and probably a cult ,is shown in all the places that bears her name (Skadevid, Skadelunda, Skee, Skea, Skodje, Skadaland ) In the poem Loketretten(Loke arguing) she says "..så skal kalde råd ramme deg støtt fra mine vé og vanger " then cold advice shall constantly hit you from my woe and places of worship/shrines/alters)
Look you know what I dont want to be a dick about this. If this is the case then that is a good indication that there might have been preistesses of Skadi. Its possible though that she might have been popular but we will stay dont know for sure wether there were preitesses of Skadi. As far as I know most gothis (priests) were men not women. The references to Skadi seem few and far between even in that poem she mentioned temple not temples (I could be wrong). There however seems to be lots of references to worshippers of Odin, Thor, Elves and other gods but not Skadi. Are these places in Norway? Despite the fact that there may be places named after her if these places are in Norway how come in the sagas Thor was mentioned more and is most popular.
Heres my exact beef I went to a site where it was said preistesses of Skadi used to bathe in blood. Now im gonna have to take it back yeah it seems there might have been preistesses of Skadi but I dont know about this bathing in blood thing, its just seemed made up.
Obvoulsy not all wiccans are the same but still my general poistion has not changed.
Originally posted by anaconda
Valhall was their utopia, it was were they wanted to go due to what happened there. Norse myth have other places were they supposedly ended up
Yeah but thats not all of what you said....nevermind.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Ive read books by wiccans, spoke to many wiccans online read lots of websites by wiccans and all the time there has been an indication of lack of research and basically making stuff up. So its not just some people, thats one of the main reasons why heathens call themslves heathens they want to dissassociate themselves from the pagans.Now im sure some wiiccans are different but from personal experience this is the impression ive got and its not like I dont have any basis for it. Its not rude to say it ive done alot of research and this seems to be the case.
It' s still rude to make general statements just because you' ve had some bad experiences.
Originally posted by Storm
Not all pagans are wiccans. Pagan is an umbrella term that includes many different spiritual belief systems. Wicca is just one of many.
Yes I know.
Originally posted by Storm
Heathens call themselves heathens because they simply are heathens. If I would tell you that I' m pagan, then I could either be a wiccan, druid, heathen, ...
I dont think thats true. I was on a forum and there was a heathen who specifically said one of the reasons why they call themselves heathens is to seperate themselves from the wiccans. In general the impression I have got from heathens is that they kinda dislike wiccans.... 😐 Dont get me wrong heathens dont think wiccans are evil or immoral....just a bit wack.
Originally posted by Storm
It' s still rude to make general statements just because you' ve had some bad experiences.
To an extent im going to have to disagree. It doesnt matter how many people you meet of a certain faith you should always keep in mind that there will be some who are different but at the same time if you have met alot of people of a certain faith and they behave in certain way you need to take that on board. I dont think it was rude I think it was blunt.
Alf:
I'm with you on the Wicca thing. I know that it is a blanket generallization, but I have personally never met any 'serious' Wiccans. My take on it was that, for what I found on the web, lots of christians were pissed off at their religion, so decided that they didn't want to be christian any more, so adopted "opposite" beliefs. The fact that many Wiccans talk about the abuses of Christianity against 'witches' in the middle ages, if feel, supports the idea that these people are just angry individuals who need something to believe. (though, that might just be because that is how I felt when I was looking into Wicca, also Buddhism)
The religion was started in the 70s as a marketing ploy to try and unite all the "ancient" woo knowledge that was making a resurgance in the hippie era.
I know it will come as no surprise to hear me talking smack about paganism, but of all of them, Wicca seems to be so transparent of a scam that it is hard to take it seriously.
Originally posted by inimalist
Alf:I'm with you on the Wicca thing. I know that it is a blanket generallization, but I have personally never met any 'serious' Wiccans. My take on it was that, for what I found on the web, lots of christians were pissed off at their religion, so decided that they didn't want to be christian any more, so adopted "opposite" beliefs. The fact that many Wiccans talk about the abuses of Christianity against 'witches' in the middle ages, if feel, supports the idea that these people are just angry individuals who need something to believe. (though, that might just be because that is how I felt when I was looking into Wicca, also Buddhism)
As far as I know witch burning happened for a short period of time and relatively few "witches" got killed. It seems to me that this was blown all out of proportion.
Originally posted by inimalist
The religion was started in the 70s as a marketing ploy to try and unite all the "ancient" woo knowledge that was making a resurgance in the hippie era.I know it will come as no surprise to hear me talking smack about paganism, but of all of them, Wicca seems to be so transparent of a scam that it is hard to take it seriously.
I agree.
Originally posted by Alfheim
As far as I know witch burning happened for a short period of time and relatively few "witches" got killed. It seems to me that this was blown all out of proportion.
lol, not if you are a Wiccan, then you were being oppressed and have yet another thing to say "oh look at how much better than christians we are"
Originally posted by Alfheim
I agree.
I looked some stuff up on Wikipedia (the most trusted name in citations) and I think my dates could be off by 20+ years, although I think the point still stands.