Darkseid vs. Adam Warlock

Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
She didn't just "seduce" him. It's not like The Spectre minds any hot pair of T n A he sees. I recall it being stated that he was controlled, not just doing what he felt like. She controlled him thanks to her powers and his lack of a host. It's not as impressive as it would have been had The Spectre had a host, but it's still a pretty good feat.

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
No she didn't. It was similar to Thors madness. She kept telling him his directives and he believed her. Like me coercing a 6 year old into believing that stealing is OK. Not really impressive.

I can't find the issues right now, but the way I remember it during the JSA tie in they were talking about taking Eclipso out to free The Spectre and either SHAZAM or Nabu said something to the effect of him being more vulnerable to her control due to his lack of a host. I know she didn't outright possess him but I remember it as her actually using her powers to influence him.

Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
I can't find the issues right now, but the way I remember it during the JSA tie in they were talking about taking Eclipso out to free The Spectre and either SHAZAM or Nabu said something to the effect of him being more vulnerable to her control due to his lack of a host. I know she didn't outright possess him but I remember it as her actually using her powers to influence him.

I remember that. It was my interpretation that she used her powers to alter his perspective , as in to actually make him beleive what she said so wholeheartedly. Maybe I'm misremembering, but I thought that either SHAZAM or Nabu said something to the effect of him being more vulnerable to Eclipso's influence due to losing his host.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Adam Warlock beat Mephisto in his own realm with this gem. Of course Warlock wins when he uses the gem.

Black Panther has done the same.

Thor has stalemated him.

Surfer has overpowered him.

Mephisto...blows.

And remember, Darkseid created the Black Diamond and is immune to eclipso's power. While the current Eclipso is, say, only powerful enough to take on Shadowpact or something, the original was taking on all kinds of heroes in his crossover event.

Eclipso used to BE the Spectre. That's why she could seduce and convince him to follow her.

Has anyone ever stood up to the Soul-Rip? I cant think of anyone. He doesn't use it often, but there's not much Warlock I haven't read, and the only time I can think of it failing was against Count Abyss, who didn't have a soul to steal.

I'm pretty sure Darkseid's soul is protected by the Source, so no soul rip. And before someone mentions DOTNG, I think Nvr's right about the killer being empowered by the Source.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
Has anyone ever stood up to the Soul-Rip? I cant think of anyone. He doesn't use it often, but there's not much Warlock I haven't read, and the only time I can think of it failing was against Count Abyss, who didn't have a soul to steal.

He always feared using it on Thanos, because supposedly Thanos could just take over Warlock's body.

This was bolstered by the time that he absorbed Warrior's soul. Despite the fact that the creature didn't even have a soul, per se, and wasn't the true Thanos (a much weaker will, as alluded to by Thanos) Adam was almost overwhelmed, and would have been had it not been for the intervention of the real Thanos.

Originally posted by Desaad
Black Panther has done the same.

Thor has stalemated him.

Surfer has overpowered him.

Mephisto...blows.

And remember, Darkseid created the Black Diamond and is immune to eclipso's power. While the current Eclipso is, say, only powerful enough to take on Shadowpact or something, the original was taking on all kinds of heroes in his crossover event.

Warlock for the win.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I'm pretty sure Darkseid's soul is protected by the Source, so no soul rip. And before someone mentions DOTNG, I think Nvr's right about the killer being empowered by the Source.

soul steal for the win i guess (if it works, probably would). but for ds taking over aw's body(which he probably would also)...ah well, you win some then you lose some i suppose.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
Has anyone ever stood up to the Soul-Rip? I cant think of anyone. He doesn't use it often, but there's not much Warlock I haven't read, and the only time I can think of it failing was against Count Abyss, who didn't have a soul to steal.

It has failed against Galactus as well.

Originally posted by Utrigita
It has failed against Galactus as well.

When did he try that?

With the soul gem 😆

Darkseid (any version) loses any fight.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
When did he try that?

I believe it was in the series where Magus had taken control of the Gauntlet ore was it Nemora... Not sure but I remember him saying that a Soul Steal attack wouldn't have any effect against Galactus.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
When did he try that?

I posted this in the Galactus respect thread. Adam Warlock can't use the soul gem on big G because big G has no soul...at least no soul within the realm of the gem's powers.

Originally posted by Tenebrous
Thanos discusses how, when he had the Heart of the Infinite, he could have dispatched Galactus with ease. But without the Heart, Thanos explains that his personal power is "Lilliputian" compared to Galactus' might

More interesting however is Thanos asking Adam Warlock if he can use the Soul Gem against Galactus. Warlock says he can't, because he senses

"[B]no soul within yonder vessel. Galactus most likely has a spirit similar to Eternity's and Infinity's. Beyond the Gem's power.

So there you have it...Galactus is immune to the Infinity Gem that governs the Soul.
[/B]

that scan is from thanos #3.

and for once marvel is actually consistent. way before the whole infinity gauntlet affair, the in-betweener tried to kill galactus, but he failed. during their big fight, the in-betweener had the soul gem. we know it's the soul gem because thanos goes to claim the soul gem from the in-betweener in thanos quest. the soul gem has never worked on galactus

Originally posted by Tenebrous
I posted this in the Galactus respect thread. Adam Warlock can't use the soul gem on big G because big G has no soul...at least no soul within the realm of the gem's powers.

that scan is from thanos #3.

and for once marvel is actually consistent. way before the whole infinity gauntlet affair, the in-betweener tried to kill galactus, but he failed. during their big fight, the in-betweener had the soul gem. we know it's the soul gem because thanos goes to claim the soul gem from the in-betweener in thanos quest. the soul gem has never worked on galactus

Thanks Tenebrous couldn't quiet remember from where it was 👆

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I'm pretty sure Darkseid's soul is protected by the Source, so no soul rip. And before someone mentions DOTNG, I think Nvr's right about the killer being empowered by the Source.

Evidence. No? Thought not.

At least Desaad came up with a plausible defense? 😛.

Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]Darkseid would still lose to Mephisto in his own realm. Regardless hes still pretty powerful in his own realm and while he has a crapload of low showings he is still beating Darkseid here.

I'm sorry, but thats really not an argument.

Thats like me saying "Well, Paste Pot Pete has a crapload of low showings, but Thanos isn't going to beat him if he's got his glue guns!"

Clearly top tiers and below have actually beaten Mephisto. I see no reason to believe that he couldn't be beaten again.