Cyborg vs Darkseid(slugfest no omega effect)

Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
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If we're talking about the GL fight back in GL's title then I remember his jaw being knocked off by one shot from Hal and him needing a few panels to re-adjust it.

Now this stuff involving Parallax and Superman sounds uber. Was it with his Sinestro rings?

he has beaten superman pretty bad with the rings and without (but supes has gotten some victories too, albeit Cyborgs are more impressive). The parallax feat wasnt with his rings . . . he healed a blast to the stomach pretty quickly and he destroyed a pretty big construct that Parallax created. Parallax I think reduced him to a cube or soemthing like that, dont remember.

When did he physically beat Superman without the rings?

Did he do it with the rings?

That sounds like a very high end showing judging by his fight with Hal and past fights with Superman. I would normally just consider it to be a high end outlier, but if this stuff with Parallax is true then it sounds like he's being upgraded as a threat.

If this is ds without the oe, then probably cyborg. Because isn't the oe his power sourc?

Originally posted by Desaad
When did he physically beat Superman without the rings?

ill have to look that up im prett sure he did once. ANd he one-shotted Superman with an energy blast without his rings

Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
Did he do it with the rings?

That sounds like a very high end showing judging by his fight with Hal and past fights with Superman. I would normally just consider it to be a high end outlier, but if this stuff with Parallax is true then it sounds like he's being upgraded as a threat.

yeah without the rings, he didnt harm Parallax, but he did last several pages with him, regenerating from a blast and destroying one of his constructs. Still i consider that impressive considering how powerful parallax was

Wait, are you talking about way back during Zero Hour?

If all we have is one high end showing of him beating Superman with the rings, then I'm sticking with Darkseid. Hal Jordan recently went toe to toe with Cyborg WITH the rings, and Superman has gotten the better of Cyborg physically more than once in the past. Darkseid has owned Superman before as well. I don't think one high end showing puts Cyborg above top tier physically. Darkseid has numerous showings of easily overpowering top tiers HTH. He'e established as above top tier physically.

The only time I'm aware of where Cyborg beat Superman in the past was in The Trial of Superman where he was massively amped by technology. In the same story, Superman pummelled him with a speedblitz for a KO later on.

Re: Cyborg one-shotting Superman, do you mean the sucker blast in H/P?

Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
Re: Cyborg one-shotting Superman, do you mean the sucker blast in H/P?

no, and he did take down superman blue, hold on let me see if i can find a scan or two

http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superman107p14lc6.jpg
http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superman107p15zk1.jpg
http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superman107p19ek2.jpg
http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superman107p20hf5.jpg

Hope those work, thats Cyborg taking out Steel, Superboy, Supergirl and Eradicator at the same time (not all physical)

http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=electricsupermansagapagyo1.jpg

heres the end of a fight Cyborg has had with superman, just him talking about it a little, cant find the rest of the fight so i guess you can take that one with a grain of salt

http://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superman108p12st7.jpg
http://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superman108p13jg5.jpg

takes a shot from sueps and comes back, one-shottin him with an energy attack

http://img413.imageshack.us/my.php?image=19760241tz9.jpg
http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=87485041qk1.jpg
http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=58614727og1.jpg

Recent battle between the two

Hope the links work, I know this isnt all physical, but im not really tryin to argue that, just thought Id show some feats just to show what hes capable of, scans courtesy of Avlon

I'm almost positive the scans of Cyborg one-shotting Supes were when he was powered up by the energy of what IIRC was an entire planet in the Tirial of Superman. In the same story Superman beat him with a speed blitz once he was cut off from that power. He had a good showing owning the team though.

Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
I'm almost positive the scans of Cyborg one-shotting Supes were when he was powered up by the energy of what IIRC was an entire planet in the Tirial of Superman. In the same story Superman beat him with a speed blitz once he was cut off from that power. He had a good showing owning the team though.

i think it was, im not 100% sure though, but what was the context that he channeled that energy in Trial of Superman? Was it through his techno powers?

and the ownage on the team was impressive

DS couldnt kill him in a slugfest but depending on Hanks regen abilities he could possibly tear Cyborg apart before his regen kicks in which i guess if he could briefly incapacitate him would result in a win for DS. Cyborg is on par with Supes though so it could go either way. Just depends

IIRC Cyborg used his technology powers to take control of some techno-planet and channelled its juice through him. I remember people using that as a feat showing the scale of his tech powers.

Thing is I think Darkseid in general is well above Superman physically unless he's sun-amped. Yeah Darkseid has lost to Superman HTH but he also manhandled Superman and other top tiers more often. I think he's done enough to say he's above top tier on average.

You're right in that Darkseid couldn't kill Cyborg which would be a problem but I think he could rip him into small pieces as Cyborg's trying to regenerate. Thing is Cyborg's machine parts seem more vulnerable to being broken than they would if they were flesh. Like was back in Reign of The Superman, the depowered Superman (he was like 1/10 the strength of normal Supes) managed to knock Henshaw's jaw off after he was stunned by The Eradicator's blast. And there's Arisya chopping his arm off. It seems like it's easier to break off parts of Cyborg's body that it is to rip off a class 100 arm, although he regenerates well.

In this case he would only be allowed to regenerate back into his original form though, correct? He wouldn't be allowed to integrate outside tech to make himself stronger ...

Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
IIRC Cyborg used his technology powers to take control of some techno-planet and channelled its juice through him. I remember people using that as a feat showing the scale of his tech powers.

Thing is I think Darkseid in general is well above Superman physically unless he's sun-amped. Yeah Darkseid has lost to Superman HTH but he also manhandled Superman and other top tiers more often. I think he's done enough to say he's above top tier on average.

You're right in that Darkseid couldn't kill Cyborg which would be a problem but I think he could rip him into small pieces as Cyborg's trying to regenerate. Thing is Cyborg's machine parts seem more vulnerable to being broken than they would if they were flesh. Like was back in Reign of The Superman, the depowered Superman (he was like 1/10 the strength of normal Supes) managed to knock Henshaw's jaw off after he was stunned by The Eradicator's blast. And there's Arisya chopping his arm off. It seems like it's easier to break off parts of Cyborg's body that it is to rip off a class 100 arm, although he regenerates well.

In this case he would only be allowed to regenerate back into his original form though, correct? He wouldn't be allowed to integrate outside tech to make himself stronger ...

Thats how I thought he got his upgrade, not that it would matter here cause I dont think that would be allowed in a pure slugfest

i agree though that it would depend on how fast cyborgs regen is . . . i think based on his recent showing he could definately do some damage if he hit DS, not nearly as much as DS would do if he hit Hank though. I agree that DS is above a non smped Supes so he does have the strength advantage. It just depends I guess, sometimes it seems Hank can heal pretty quickly when he focuses on it, other times the writer doesnt really implement it as much.

im up in the air on this one

Cyborg one shotted Supes long before he took over the planet.
There was no tech amp in that battle.

And Darkseid is not physically above Superman. There was no amp in apokolips now...and no sun anywhere in sight. In S/B, Superman wasn't by the sun long enough to have a dramatic difference either...outside of a stamina boost.

In H/P, it took both Superman and DS Omega effect at *PEAK* efficiency to put Borg away. While DS was completely healed, he did not try to engage Borg physically...letting Superman battle him. Those advantages have been removed here so it's a physical battle.

Physical battle is Henshaws to win. Like DS, Henshaw has smacked down top-tiers, has an insane healing, and has his own share of dirty tricks.

Without the OE -- Henshaw ftw.

Originally posted by Galan007
Without the OE -- Henshaw ftw.

in a pure slugfest Cyborg has no chance

In a real fight thou i could see Cyborg aking 2-3/10

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
in a pure slugfest Cyborg has no chance

In a real fight thou i could see Cyborg aking 2-3/10

That doesn't really make much sense.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That doesn't really make much sense.

A real fight uses enviorment, powers, strategies etc