Originally posted by Alliance
What you MEANT to say, I'm sure, is that its possible to view all religions as tied to fear.You could say I go grocery shopping out of fear of starvation or that I drive my car to work out of fear of the weather, totally negating the facts that I'm only out of milk and work 35 miles away form my home.
What the hell does that have to do with eternal life and and all powerful deity? I get what you are attempting to do but the analogy does not work.
Originally posted by Nellinator
So he needs three quotes?
They're likely all from Wikipedia.
Originally posted by chithappens
What the hell does that have to do with eternal life and and all powerful deity? I get what you are attempting to do but the analogy does not work.
Lots. And if you get what I'm getting at, apparently my analogies do work. If they failed, you would have not gotten the point and or readressed them.
As much as wiki can be abused for personal use, I recently read a meta-analysis of comparative studies between wiki and an encyclopedia, and it found no statistical significance in the validity of the two sources.
When someone quotes something for their purposes, this obviously increases because it's possible they edited something simply to use it. But if you're just looking up information, and aren't actually in a debate, it's as valid a source as most places.
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Originally posted by Alliance'
What you MEANT to say, I'm sure, is that its possible to view all religions as tied to fear.You could say I go grocery shopping out of fear of starvation or that I drive my car to work out of fear of the weather, totally negating the facts that I'm only out of milk and work 35 miles away form my home.
This prevents an immediate fallacy because "fear of starvation" is simply death and not "eternal damnation." The gap in time does not work at all.
That is a "matter of fact" analogy. Applied to this, it simply says that you will not achieve something (in this case heaven) if you do not act to guidelines given by said religion. The 35 miles from work is also a matter of fact thing. Driving is a neccesity. Acting according to a certain guideline could be seen as a neccesity but it's a roundabout way of saying it.
It does not work because the consequence is still far more of a big deal.
Re: Fear as the Basis for Religion?
Originally posted by Stormfear is used because its really the only way toget people to believe something without ANY evidence of it being true, in fact all religion is is a literary interetation of the stars it's actually funny, and jesus never died because he never lived, he was just the final version of joeseph, and further more was pure plagerism since hundreds of gods including horus predated jesus and joeseph and had all of the same adventures and various things that made them who they were. watch Zeitgeist. and christanity was created by the roman empire to control the peope using fear, very much wat american government is doing with terrorism. think about it, if christanity never existed we would never have had happy times like, the dark ages, and great crusade.
Religion spends a lot of time reacting out of apparent fear. Rather than simply and confidently laying out a positive program of beliefs, too often religion is more concerned with raising an alarm over alleged dangers lying in wait all around us.Not all religions use threats, divine or otherwise, in their attempts to enforce particular moral codes but it’ s certainly a common phenomenon. Shouldn’ t religion focus on the ideals of adhering to moral codes out of a sense of decency and love, rather than out of a fear of hell? Fortunately some do adopt this strategy, many others though don’ t seem to recognize the problem.
Perhaps threats and fear must be attractive to some people because otherwise, these religious groups would disappear.
Re: Re: Fear as the Basis for Religion?
Originally posted by The big EH
fear is used because its really the only way toget people to believe something without ANY evidence of it being true, in fact all religion is is a literary interetation of the stars it's actually funny, and jesus never died because he never lived, he was just the final version of joeseph, and further more was pure plagerism since hundreds of gods including horus predated jesus and joeseph and had all of the same adventures and various things that made them who they were. watch Zeitgeist. and christanity was created by the roman empire to control the peope using fear, very much wat american government is doing with terrorism. think about it, if christanity never existed we would never have had happy times like, the dark ages, and great crusade.
So, the 3,000 people who died in the WTC should not have been afraid of terrorism? Your point was a good one until you showed your own prejudice.