Quasar/Captain Marvel (monica) Vs. Magneto/God Cable

Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Of course, but he needs to react inorder to influence it. Monica is not Dazzler, she does not need sound or anywhere near the amount of time to move.

I don't see what this has to do with anything. First of all, Monica has to consciously turn her corporeal form into photons. He can react then.

Plus, she's not exactly the "speedblitzing" type of character, now is she? I think it's ridiculous that a case is trying to be made for her doing that when she's never done so.

Also, while in 'light' form, she's intangible. A lot of good that would do her if she tried to speedblitz.

She'd get owned. Plain and simple.

Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Faster then she can attack her, he would have to react FTL. Are you implying he can? 😆

Prove Monica has light speed reflexes, and your point is valid.

Afaik, she only goes the speed of light for travelling.

Doesn't change the fact that she can't hurt him.

I never said she has light speed reflexes, I said she can move FTL. She can go off like a flash grenade and stun him leaving wide open.

Originally posted by Fire Ninja
I never said she has light speed reflexes, I said she can move FTL.

I know she can.

But the fact is she has no way of winning with her electromagnetic based powers if we were to look at this logically. 😬

Originally posted by batdude123
I know she can.

But the fact is she has no way of winning with her electromagnetic based powers if we were to look at this logically. 😬

Logically monica in her light form is faster than mags can react and her transformation instantaneous.

Originally posted by batdude123
You're reaching. Anyway..

He can literally warp and manipulate her body with. Any energy she projects gets absorbed. She can't win.

I never said she could win (I haven't even said who'd win)... I just wanted to throw out that little scene, and make it interesting.

Also, before you throw the reactions at me...
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/X-Men_vs_Avengers_002-21.jpg

Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Logically monica in her light form is faster than mags can react and her transformation instantaneous.

I don't think you're understanding what I'm trying to convey to you.

She has to consciously think in order to change her body into light. Since Erik has superhuman reaction speeds, theoretically speaking, he could rip her body in half before said transformation occurs. It's not instantaneous.

And yes, Monica is fast. However, she only goes at light speed for traveling purposes. She's never gone the speed of light in a battle. Ever. She doesn't fight that way. And while in light form, she is intangible. A 'speedblitz' wouldn't help her even if she was capable of doing so, which she isn't anyway.

Any energy projection she fires can be manipulated by him, because it is a part of the electromagnetic spectrum. Fact of the matter is that he's actually tailor-made to fight someone like her. He'd win every time.

Understand now? 🙂

Originally posted by Bransolute

Also, before you throw the reactions at me...
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/X-Men_vs_Avengers_002-21.jpg

Game Over.

Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Game Over.

Originally posted by batdude123
LOL @ this n00b.

I registered before you, how am I a noob? Because you post more?

Originally posted by Bransolute
So... following someone with your eyes/mind=reacting to them?

Following someone with your conscious suggests reaction speeds/brain speed in order to do so.

So yah...

Originally posted by Bransolute
I never said she could win (I haven't even said who'd win)... I just wanted to throw out that little scene, and make it interesting.

I could care less. I find this amusing.

Originally posted by Bransolute
Also, before you throw the reactions at me...
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/X-Men_vs_Avengers_002-21.jpg

Hit him with energy that he can easily control/manipulate/absorb?

Originally posted by Fire Ninja
I registered before you, how am I a noob? Because you post more?

Anyway, you haven't even suggested a single way for Monica to win this.

All you've done is say 'she flies so much faster!!!11' which means hardly anything in this scenario.

Originally posted by batdude123
Following someone with your conscious suggests reaction speeds/brain speed in order to do so.

So yah...

Originally posted by batdude123
And what exactly would she do at that point?

Originally posted by Bransolute
I thought his reactions were only 14.5 x better than humans? 😉

I thought Namor could only lift 85 tons. nuts

And if we're going to use traveling speed feats, how fast do you think it takes to go the moon in a few moments?

http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenv2minus1p20zp1.jpg
http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenv2minus1p21kh4.jpg

Moon's about 250,000 miles away...

If we assume that it took him around 5 seconds to get there (I doubt Prof. X and the girl would be standing there for ages after he left), then he'd have been going around 180,000,000 miles per hour.

Not as fast as light, but actually kinda close...

Originally posted by Bransolute
I'd tell you, but you only asked for reactions at that point. 🙂

Attack him with energy that he can easily absorb/manipulate/control? Plus, there's no indication of her going the speed of light in your scan. You don't have to be able to go c in order for the same effects to be created by Monica in that scan. Nor is there any indication of her being able to speedblitz him. Especially since she's INTANGIBLE in light form.

And Mags was quick enough to absorb Storm's lightning bolts into his hands from about 15 feet away.

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/2016/mags22sh.jpg

She isn't going to do anything with her EM based powers to defeat Erik, Bran.

And just so I don't lose track, who exactly do you think would win this fight?

We aren't really using traveling speed. If she becomes light then all her movements are at light speed. Furthermore, a scan was just posted showing her reaction speed. She transforms into light form really fast. Mags will not be able to absorb the light in time. Also, doesn't mags need to be within range of the earths magnetic field to fly?

Originally posted by batdude123
I thought Namor could only lift 85 tons. nuts

And if we're going to use traveling speed feats, how fast do you think it takes to go the moon in a few moments?

http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenv2minus1p20zp1.jpg
http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenv2minus1p21kh4.jpg

Moon's about 250,000 miles away...

If we assume that it took him around 5 seconds to get there (I doubt Prof. X and the girl would be standing there for ages after he left), then he'd have been going around 180,000,000 miles per hour.

Not as fast as light, but actually kinda close...

However, CM actually uses her speed...

Apparently, that would only be 50 000 miles per second... light speed is 186 000 miles per second.

Originally posted by batdude123
Attack him with energy that he can easily absorb/manipulate/control? Plus, there's no indication of her going the speed of light in your scan. You don't have to be able to go [b]c in order for the same effects to be created by Monica in that scan. Nor is there any indication of her being able to speedblitz him. Especially since she's INTANGIBLE in light form.

And Mags was quick enough to absorb Storm's lightning bolts into his hands from about 15 feet away.

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/2016/mags22sh.jpg

She isn't going to do anything with her EM based powers to defeat Erik, Bran.

And just so I don't lose track, who exactly do you think would win this fight? [/B]

Also, you don't have to blitz someone, to surprise them with your speed... or utilize your speed in a fight. 🙂 She could still theoretically take him out without blitzing him, before he could do anything.
I'd look for her blitzing, but I don't feel like looking for anything outside of the series, and in the series, she can change into the opposite direction without slowing down, and I guess she blitzed Havok...

Also, she's intangible in her neutrino form... not her light form (it even says that in the series). She's also invisible in that form as well... Plus, she was able to weld a ship hole when she was in her light form, or energy form.

Lightning is only a 3rd of light speed, last I recalled...

F*ck if I know... f*ck if I care.

Why can't Monica resist mags influence with her own? I mean, she manipulates energy too, maybe not on the same scale as mags. But, to a high enough degree that she can fight mags off.

Originally posted by Bransolute
However... it was comics that said Mag's reflexes were only (I say only in this instance, because that's nothing to lightspeed) 14.5 X better than a humans, did it not?
Can you point to me when it said that Namor's strength was 85 tons?

And it was also in a comic where it stated that Superman and Diana’s strength are equal at the level ‘A-1’ (Project: OMAC). However, we both know that Superman is stronger than she is with accordance to feats of strength.

Handbook-styled stats, even in comic books, are folly. It’s usually the reason why we use actual feats.

I simply use the scan of the 'Magneto brain processing speed' as evidence to something in which I already know.

Originally posted by Bransolute
However, CM actually uses her speed...

In fights, she seldom does. It’s not exactly in her character to zoom around a person. She may have at some point, but it’s rare.

Also, if your knowledge on Monica comes from only a few books, then this is a pretty silly argument for you to pursue.

Originally posted by Bransolute
Apparently, that would only be 50 000 miles per second... light speed is 186 000 miles per second.

The speed of light is actually around 186,282 miles per second, if you want to get technical about it. And in relative terms, yes, that is kinda close.

Not that it actually matters, because you can’t prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Monica can fight at light speed in battle situations. 🙂

Then again, I was low balling the amount of time it took him to get there. If you look at the second scan, in accordance with the first panel, he traveled all the way there in the time it took her to say “I don’t get it.” It doesn’t exactly take one five seconds to say that simple sentence.

Originally posted by Bransolute
Since she was going extremely fast that whole series, and even seemed faster in that part...
Ignoring that (of course), she made everyone look like they were frozen in place.
It also took her a small fraction of a second to get to where she went...
Mags won't be standing that far away...

I’m not denying that she was going fast in that instance; however there is no conclusive evidence of her going the speed of light itself. In her energy form, she can go up to the speed of light, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that when you see her in that form she’s going light speed. Get what I mean?

And since she was not able to get to the bomb before it exploded, I’m guessing it wasn’t light speed.

Not to mention, after that Magneto reacted quickly and put up a ‘thin and hastily erected’ shield around the X-Men and Avengers to save them.

Originally posted by Bransolute
Also, you don't have to blitz someone, to surprise them with your speed... or utilize your speed in a fight. She could still theoretically take him out without blitzing him, before he could do anything.

No, she couldn’t. 🙂

Originally posted by Bransolute
I'd look for her blitzing, but I don't feel like looking for anything outside of the series, and in the series, she can change into the opposite direction without slowing down, and I guess she blitzed Havok...

Do you have the scan of her ‘blitzing’ Havok?

Originally posted by Bransolute
Also, she's intangible in her neutrino form... not her light form (it even says that in the series). She's also invisible in that form as well... Plus, she was able to weld a ship hole when she was in her light form, or energy form.

I did forget a few things about Monica. It’s true that while in her ‘visible light’ form, she isn’t intangible. However, in every other form she’s in (not just exclusive to neutrino form, iirc), she is intangible.

Originally posted by Bransolute
Lightning is only a 3rd of light speed, last I recalled...

It can actually be as fast as ½ the speed of light in some cases. However, that’s not the point. While it does display his reflexes, it also goes to show that any energy she flings in his direction can be absorbed which can serve to power him up.

Originally posted by Bransolute
F*ck if I know... f*ck if I care.

Then the idea of you going on about a topic that you don’t even care about is asinine. 🙂

Oh, and for the record, Magneto beats Mar-Vell too.

Originally posted by batdude123
And it was also in a comic where it stated that Superman and Diana’s strength are equal at the level ‘A-1’ (Project: OMAC). However, we both know that Superman is stronger than she is with accordance to feats of strength.

Handbook-styled stats, even in comic books, are folly. It’s usually the reason why we use actual feats.

I simply use the scan of the 'Magneto brain processing speed' as evidence to something in which I already know.

I can see a meteor far away, but could I react to it if it were coming my way?

Originally posted by batdude123
In fights, she seldom does. It’s not exactly in her character to zoom around a person. She may have at some point, but it’s rare.

Also, if your knowledge on Monica comes from only a few books, then this is a pretty silly argument for you to pursue.

Most of my arguments I go into are 'silly'. 🙂 However, it's all for the sake of debating. I don't care if I get pwned, or if I do the pwning. I like to debate... unless it's completely pointless (ie, nvr, socks, fanboys, one tiny detail).

Originally posted by batdude123
The speed of light is actually around 186,282 miles per second, if you want to get technical about it. And in relative terms, yes, that is kinda close.

Not that it actually matters, because you can’t prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Monica can fight at light speed in battle situations. 🙂

Then again, I was low balling the amount of time it took him to get there. If you look at the second scan, in accordance with the first panel, he traveled all the way there in the time it took her to say “I don’t get it.” It doesn’t exactly take one five seconds to say that simple sentence.

But, it is possible she started to talk after they watched him travel the entire distance. Ya know?

Originally posted by batdude123
I’m not denying that she was going fast in that instance; however there is no conclusive evidence of her going the speed of light itself. In her energy form, she can go up to the speed of light, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that when you see her in that form she’s going light speed. Get what I mean?

And since she was not able to get to the bomb before it exploded, I’m guessing it wasn’t light speed.

Not to mention, after that Magneto reacted quickly and put up a ‘thin and hastily erected’ shield around the X-Men and Avengers to save them.

And you know the bomb didn't reach zero before she got there? It took her an "imperceptibly small fraction of a second" to get to the corridor, and the bomb didn't seem that far in...

Magneto reacted to the explosion of the bomb...

Originally posted by batdude123
No, she couldn’t. 🙂

Originally posted by batdude123
Do you have the scan of her ‘blitzing’ Havok?

Originally posted by batdude123
I did forget a few things about Monica. It’s true that while in her ‘visible light’ form, she isn’t intangible. However, in every other form she’s in (not just exclusive to neutrino form, iirc), she is intangible.

Originally posted by batdude123
It can actually be as fast as ½ the speed of light in some cases. However, that’s not the point. While it does display his reflexes, it also goes to show that any energy she flings in his direction can be absorbed which can serve to power him up.

And, if she did indeed get up in his grill, then there should be no way he can react to it.

Originally posted by batdude123
Then the idea of you going on about a topic that you don’t even care about is asinine. 🙂

Originally posted by batdude123
Oh, and for the record, Magneto beats Mar-Vell too.

Originally posted by Bransolute
He still has to process the attack in which he is getting attacked with, and then react to it.

He easily ‘processed’ her movement in that scan, and was along side her the whole way.

Originally posted by Bransolute
I can see a meteor far away, but could I react to it if it were coming my way?

This isn’t the same thing.

Originally posted by Bransolute
She was zooming around Rogue in the same comic, and making her look slow by comparison (she wasn't fighting her, but it wouldn't be hard to throw an attack).

Awesome, and Magneto has snatched a speedblitzing Northstar right out of the sky.

Originally posted by Bransolute
Most of my arguments I go into are 'silly'. 🙂 However, it's all for the sake of debating. I don't care if I get pwned, or if I do the pwning. I like to debate... unless it's completely pointless (ie, nvr, socks, fanboys, one tiny detail).

Fair enough.

Originally posted by Bransolute
Forget that it's only one feat of speed...

But, it is possible she started to talk after they watched him travel the entire distance. Ya know?

Regardless, it happened all in the span of a single panel.

Originally posted by Bransolute
Of course, of course...

Glad you understand.

Originally posted by Bransolute
And you know the bomb didn't reach zero before she got there? It took her an "imperceptibly small fraction of a second" to get to the corridor, and the bomb didn't seem that far in...

Are you trying to say that the bomb did reach zero before she got there? Otherwise this statement doesn’t make any sense.

Originally posted by Bransolute
Magneto reacted to the explosion of the bomb...

At ground zero…

Originally posted by Bransolute
OK.

Really though, she’s not going to be zooming around him at light speed in this fight. Moreover, she’s not going to be able to end the fight before Magneto simply puts a shield up around himself.

Originally posted by Bransolute
Posted it a page back.
She ran into the ground under him, and then flew in another direction. Not the best blitz, but still using speed. 🙂

Saw it.

Meh… nothing special.

Originally posted by Bransolute
Isn't her visible light form the one she would be using anyway?

It’s her most common, but she’s not limited to just that, obviously.

Originally posted by Bransolute
However, he still has to react to 'every energy she flings'.

It certainly wouldn’t be the first time he’s ‘reacted to energy flung in his direction’ in order to absorb/block it.

Originally posted by Bransolute
And, if she did indeed get up in his grill, then there should be no way he can react to it.

She’s not going to be flying directly into him before he gets a shield up.

http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=story1page17sf8.jpg

Also, in her light form, I doubt her body would hurt him enough to take him out of the fight even if she did fly into him. His body is adept at absorbing energy along the EM field.

And even if the transformation from her regular form to her light form takes a mere fraction of a fraction of a second, that’s all the time Magneto needs in order to plop a shield up. From there, it’s over for Monica.

Originally posted by Bransolute
And as you should have already found out, most of the debates I'm in are just for the sake of arguing... that's why I have so many posts. 🙂

I know.

Originally posted by Bransolute
Unless Mags can control the bands, then I can't exactly see it happening...
Since Mar-Vell can absorb any energy into his bands... and can also fight like an Iron Fist or Captain America (but seemingly faster), with blasts, and absorbing at the same time.

So I guess you’ve changed your mind?

Originally posted by Bransolute
I know Mar-Vell could stand up to Mags, but I doubt he could beat him.

😛

In any case, have you read Avengers #91? Ronan the Accuser holds Mar-Vell prisoner by magnetically grasping the very minerals in his body. 🙂

Check it out.