Originally posted by Xplosive
It also doesn't really matter what you also think. You can make assumptions, and that is it, so it doesn't matter what you think.
I am not making assumptions about your intelligence or lack thereof. I am telling you.
Tell you what, IG's feats speak for itself. Thanos/IG wins. Care to prove your case?
Originally posted by Xplosive
Maybe IG has better feats, so IG feats>Phoenix feats, but until someone with IG actually defeat Phoenix, you can never tell IG>Phoenix.
Xplosive do Phoenix have a feat that involves creating another universe and then mix it with another. in short fusing two universes together, have Phoenix ever been catogorized as being capable of defeating two multiverses??? just questions.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Maybe IG has better feats, so IG feats>Phoenix feats, but until someone with IG actually defeat Phoenix, you can never tell IG>Phoenix.
So until Phoenix defeats someone with IG, you can never tell if Phoenix > IG?
I will say in this way, I think White Phoenix of the Crown should win this.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Xplosive do Phoenix have a feat that involves creating another universe and then mix it with another. in short fusing two universes together, have Phoenix ever been catogorized as being capable of defeating two multiverses??? just questions.
That is why I said IG feats>Phoenix feats. But still, White Phoenix of the Crown resides in White Hot Room (which was also referred as literally being a Center of all creation), where she could supposedly control everything. That is why I said, I think she should win.
We should also see more from WPOTC. And highest feats from Phoenix doesn't come from WPOTC, but we still know WPOTC is the Phoenix most powerful incarnation.
We don't know if IG could even get to WPOTC. Potentially, maybe WPOTC could control IG from White Hot Room.
Like when Thanos IG became one with the universe, maybe WPOTC could control him from WHR.
Anyway, in either way, we have to wait to see more from WPOTC.
Originally posted by Ouallada
So until Phoenix defeats someone with IG, you can never tell if Phoenix > IG?
Indeed.
Originally posted by Xplosive
That is why I said IG feats>Phoenix feats. But still, White Phoenix of the Crown resides in White Hot Room (which was also referred as literally being a Center of all creation), where she could supposedly control everything. That is why I said, I think she should win.
We should also see more from WPOTC. And highest feats from Phoenix doesn't come from WPOTC, but we still know WPOTC is the Phoenix most powerful incarnation.We don't know if IG could even get to WPOTC. Potentially, maybe WPOTC could control IG from White Hot Room.
Like when Thanos IG became one with the universe, maybe WPOTC could control him from WHR.Anyway, in either way, we have to wait to see more from WPOTC.
Whether of not the white hot room is a center of creation is irrelevant. The gateway to said room is the M'kraan crystal, is it not? A being with unlimited control over reality would have access, with it being a reality nexus and all. I need links to the scans describing her ability to cut universes away. Roma had similar abilities as well, and no one prescribes that kind of power to her. So, with the agreement that an IG wielder could access the white hot room, Phoenix's best combat feat would be? Dormammu? G?
In any case, has the white phoenix ever controlled or destroyed a universe which was fighting back, like eternity fought against an infinite?
Indeed.
Funny. I would have thought that if you believed that it is uncertain if Phoenix beats IG, you would not have said this:
I will say in this way, I think White Phoenix of the Crown should win this.
Originally posted by Ouallada
Whether of not the white hot room is a center of creation is irrelevant. The gateway to said room is the M'kraan crystal, is it not? A being with unlimited control over reality would have access, with it being a reality nexus and all. I need links to the scans describing her ability to cut universes away. Roma had similar abilities as well, and no one prescribes that kind of power to her. So, with the agreement that an IG wielder could access the white hot room, Phoenix's best combat feat would be? Dormammu? G?
Originally posted by Ouallada
In any case, has the white phoenix ever controlled or destroyed a universe which was fighting back, like eternity fought against an infinite?
Phoenix has destroyed an alternate Universe. And that wasn't WPOTC. So, WPOTC should do much more. Home of WPOTC is the center of all realities.
Like I said, we should see more from WPOTC, because we know she could do more as she had shown for now.
And wasn't it said that Phoenix mind is the nexus of all realities.?
The theories are that she supposedly has the power to control and manipulate entire universes and time and space.
That is why we must see more from WPOTC, to know her better and to completely see what she is doing and what she is.
If someone, besides Living Tribunal, could be written to defeat the one with IG, I believe it's White Phoenix of the Crown.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Phoenix has destroyed an alternate Universe. And that wasn't WPOTC. So, WPOTC should do much more. Home of WPOTC is the center of all realities.
Like I said, we should see more from WPOTC, because we know she could do more as she had shown for now.
And wasn't it said that Phoenix mind is the nexus of all realities.?
The theories are that she supposedly has the power to control and manipulate entire universes and time and space.
That is why we must see more from WPOTC, to know her better and to completely see what she is doing and what she is.
If someone, besides Living Tribunal, could be written to defeat the one with IG, I believe it's White Phoenix of the Crown.
Not to mention that Eternity should be ranked higher than her, has he represents all dimensional planes in the universe along with the Phoenix.
And even Adam Warlock wasted Eternity 3 times with the Gauntlet.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Phoenix has destroyed an alternate Universe. And that wasn't WPOTC. So, WPOTC should do much more. Home of WPOTC is the center of all realities.Like I said, we should see more from WPOTC, because we know she could do more as she had shown for now.
And wasn't it said that Phoenix mind is the nexus of all realities.?
The theories are that she supposedly has the power to control and manipulate entire universes and time and space.
That is why we must see more from WPOTC, to know her better and to completely see what she is doing and what she is.
If someone, besides Living Tribunal, could be written to defeat the one with IG, I believe it's White Phoenix of the Crown.
As said, the first isn't canon, unless you have scans which I have not seen before.
Theories? I operate in the realm of logical plausibility, not on extrapolations of hyperbole. In any case, as far as the power to control and manipulate entire universes, time and space goes, guess which artifact in this fight gives its wielder that power?
I'm not really interested in seeing what white phoenix can do in the future. This thread isn't asking about white phoenix vs IG in 20 years, it is white phoenix vs IG now. If the white phoenix can't beat IG now, that will be all she wrote.
There are a couple of entities above the IG and below the LT, but the phoenix isn't one of them.
Even IF the phoenix had anywhere near the power you are talking about, her combat feats fail miserably next to that of the IG. Most of the phoenix's feats are passive, ones of creation, healing etc. Not going to help here.
Originally posted by Astner
But it's unreasonble that she'll ever be able to threaten the omniverse, like the gems have.
Why, her home is a nexus of all realities, literally. If WPOTC goes mad, everything would be in danger, completely everything.
The fact is, the one who goes evil, will use everything he has, that is why it's power comes to greatest effect.
If IG wouldn't be under control of evil mind, it would never had the feats it had.
Originally posted by Astner
No. You're confusing her with Havoc, he was one with the Nexus of all realities.
Am, no. She resides in WHR, center of all creation, so no, I am not confusing her with Havok. She could very well be that.
Based on that, she has every universe, reality under her sight.
When we don't see Phoenix, when she is gone for some time, she is supposedly in WHT, doing her role, fixing time-lines, universes, healing them, that is her role.
WHR is the center of all creation and the main, major being in there, to has everything in sight, is White Phoenix of the Crown.
Originally posted by Ouallada
As said, the first isn't canon, unless you have scans which I have not seen before.
Phoenix resides in the WHT, which is the center of creation, so, center in the omniverse.
So if Phoenix is in there, is job to has everything in sight, that means Phoenix is omniversal. So that means, like for LT, everywhere she appears, should count as a canon.
And Phoenix Force and Living Tribunal are probably the oldest entities, beings in Marvel Universe with exception of TOAA.
There is only one WPOTC in whole Omni-verse.