" No Terrorism in Islam "

Originally posted by inimalist
ok, stop making points about going to war for wrong reasons

motivation for war would only be relevant if: America went to war specifically to kill civilians, or if someone were saying "America only goes to war for good reasons".

Its not just about going to war for the wrong reason its what they do when they go there. If you think that people who dont minimize civilian causalties and dont give a **** about civilians are incapable of killing people for laughs then fine. Oh yeah lets also believe everything that politicians tell us despite the fact they lie all the time, wow.

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Originally posted by Alfheim
Its not just about going to war for the wrong reason its what they do when they go there. If you think that people who dont minimize civilian causalties and dont give a **** about civilians are incapable of killing people for laughs then fine. Oh yeah lets also believe everything that politicians tell us despite the fact they lie all the time, wow.

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You are now actually making up arguments, attributing them to me, and arguing against them. This is a logical fallacy known as a straw man.

You have more credibility than this.

If you just want to ***** about the war, I'm sure there is a better thread for it.

Originally posted by inimalist
You are now actually making up arguments, attributing them to me, and arguing against them. This is a logical fallacy known as a straw man.

Bullshit what arguments am I making up? You have been strwmanning as well stop being a hypocrite.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Bullshit what arguments am I making up?

ok...

Originally posted by Alfheim
Its not just about going to war for the wrong reason its what they do when they go there.

strawman

Originally posted by Alfheim
If you think that people who dont minimize civilian causalties and dont give a **** about civilians are incapable of killing people for laughs then fine.

strawman

Originally posted by Alfheim
Oh yeah lets also believe everything that politicians tell us despite the fact they lie all the time, wow.

strawman

Originally posted by Alfheim
You have been strwmanning as well stop being a hypocrite.

I don't think I have been. I've been restating the same point for 3 pages.

Look you said that if im going to argue that America can kill civilains for fun then I could argue that anybody could do it right? Therefore my point = crap.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Look you said that if im going to argue that America can kill civilains for fun then I could argue that anybody could do it right? Therefore my point = crap.

not crap, it's just moot

you can make any hypothetical point you want

Originally posted by inimalist
not crap, it's just moot

you can make any hypothetical point you want

Moot, crap can mean the samething. Thats my point, its not moot. This your logic.

A: Bob has a history of violence, he hasnt killed anybody but I think hes capable of it.
B: Nonsense if Bob can kill somebody anybody can, the next door neighbour could do it!
A: Does the next door neighbour have a history of violence?
B: Not as far as I know.
A: My moneys on Bob then.

😬 Get my point? Where not just talking about anybody we are talking about people who do things for corrupt reasons and behave in a corrupt manner, you cant just then apply this case to everybody that is completely illogical.

...and this is you strawmanning saying I said that when I didnt.

Originally posted by inimalist
And no, torture of civilians is not evidence of the intentional and meaningful mass murder of civilians.

Does this post indicate that I said Americans are meaningfully mass mudering civilians?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well if you have picture of American soldiers having their photographs taken next to torture victims why wouldnt they bomb civilian targets? Lets put it this way I guess it wouldnt happen on a regualr basis but you dont think there might have been some cases where it was done unpurpose?

Im not strawmanning you are.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Moot, crap can mean the samething. Thats my point, its not moot. This your logic.

A: Bob has a history of violence, he hasnt killed anybody but I think hes capable of it.
B: Nonsense if Bob can kill somebody anybody can, the next door neighbour could do it!
A: Does the next door neighbour have a history of violence?
B: Not as far as I know.
A: My moneys on Bob then.

😬 Get my point? Where not just talking about anybody we are talking about people who do things for corrupt reasons and behave in a corrupt manner, you cant just then apply this case to everybody that is completely illogical.

I hate to break it to you, but that is faulty logic...

Originally posted by Alfheim
Im not strawmanning you are.

Thats more of an over generalization, but I'll give it to you.

you said you were trying to paint america as morally gray to show that something like this is not potentially outside of what they could do. Sure, fine, all that does is state the exact same thing as you did above.

Nobody disagrees that there is the potential. However, there is potential for an infinite number of things that never occur. You need better evidence than "I think this makes sense"

Originally posted by inimalist

I hate to break it to you, but that is faulty logic...

Its not faulty at all. Ive explained how it makes sense now all you are simply doing is telling me im wrong. *shrug*

Originally posted by inimalist

Thats more of an over generalization, but I'll give it to you.

you said you were trying to paint america as morally gray to show that something like this is not potentially outside of what they could do. Sure, fine, all that does is state the exact same thing as you did above.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by inimalist

Nobody disagrees that there is the potential. However, there is potential for an infinite number of things that never occur. You need better evidence than "I think this makes sense"

Well lets put it this way if I was in a court of law you would bet I would get evidence. As it stand I felt I explained my stance clearly I defintely dont think that it deserves the response "Jesus Christ why dont people think!!!"

Originally posted by Alfheim
Its not faulty at all. Ive explained how it makes sense now all you are simply doing is telling me im wrong. *shrug*

ok

You are saying (1) "America is targeting civilians specifically"

as proof, you say (2) "America doesn't care about civilians"

now, the problem is, (2) can be true, even if (1) is false, thus the logic doesn't work. No point you have made is dependent on (1) being true. I'm actually REALLY surprised you haven't brought up Vietnam, where you would have some very good points where Americans, possibly acting on higher orders, slaughtered villages of innocents.

But even then, if (3) is "America has a history of killing civilians specifically" it doesn't require that (1) be true.

A logical argument would be one where you create a (4) that, if true, requires that (1) be true.

Originally posted by inimalist
ok

You are saying (1) "America is targeting civilians specifically"

as proof, you say (2) "America doesn't care about civilians"

now, the problem is, (2) can be true, even if (1) is false, thus the logic doesn't work. No point you have made is dependent on (1) being true.

Why does it have to dependent on point 1? Its dependent on point 2. Again it just looks your just telling me what make sense and what doesnt. 2 can be true but it depends on how you define "dont care" which will determine if 1 will be false. If you define 2 as not really bothered...it will not affect 1. If you define 2 as the Americans see civilians as subhuman then that will make point 1 true.

Originally posted by inimalist

I'm actually REALLY surprised you haven't brought up Vietnam, where you would have some very good points where Americans, possibly acting on higher orders, slaughtered villages of innocents.

But even then, if (3) is "America has a history of killing civilians specifically" it doesn't require that (1) be true.

A logical argument would be one where you create a (4) that, if true, requires that (1) be true.

I didnt bring up vietnam but I think I did indirectly, stating something along the lines of America history.

ZOMG don't say anything bad about USAins or USAstan otherwise there will be 1084758925745 pages of discussion about how GREAT America is and everyone else is poop.

Feel free to crap all over other countries though! YEAH! lulz.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
ZOMG don't say anything bad about USAins or USAstan otherwise there will be 1084758925745 pages of discussion about how GREAT America is and everyone else is poop.

Feel free to crap all over other countries though! YEAH! lulz.

So, we should let lies go unchallenged?

Oh my goodness, no!

I mean Iran is genocidal out to drop a nuke on America, China is an evil dictatorship who's only goal is to kill pro-American Chinese and pollute American children's lungs, Russia is backward weird state where everyone is drunk all the time and is being lead by Vladimir Putin the boogyman who is a spy trying to take over America.

Why should you challenge anything America says or does. After all, its everyone else who's wrong.

still they watch our backs and have done so since 1945

You're not in European Union - blessing on Norway and everything which has never touched that psycho union.

Therefore, you're not in a clique that is a lap doggy to America.

Is Norway member of NATO?

Norway was one of the reasons Nato was formed, with our ice free fjords we are so strategically important, llater development in the late 60`s with the our oil and you have the main target if Ivan wants to razzle his sabre, and EU bah humbug.

all lap dogs to US though, but again I am pleased that the US watch over us , if not no would be njet here

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Oh my goodness, no!

I mean Iran is genocidal out to drop a nuke on America, China is an evil dictatorship who's only goal is to kill pro-American Chinese and pollute American children's lungs, Russia is backward weird state where everyone is drunk all the time and is being lead by Vladimir Putin the boogyman who is a spy trying to take over America.

Why should you challenge anything America says or does. After all, its everyone else who's wrong.

You need to get a grip.

All I ever said was that America is not targeting civilians. I was in the US army for 7 years. I never saw combat, but I know the training, and you do not.

All I ever said was that America is not targeting civilians

I was in the US army for 7 years. I never saw combat, but I know the training, and you do not

Originally posted by anaconda
officially no, truthfuly a means of evil when in war, a way of breaking the neck of the opposition usually backfires though

Intention is what I was talking about.

Originally posted by anaconda
been there done that and sad to say whatever training you have when the shit hits the fen all rules are down the drain

I'm smart enough to realize that. That is why I got out of the army.