" No Terrorism in Islam "

Originally posted by chithappens
I'm not saying deliberately going out of their way as in their only target, but I'm saying that civilians lives are not important. It is a fact that there have been moments where that was the case: some have been just to kill, other to affect morale, some because they were just trying to knock down their shit.

yup. Things and people are destroyed unnecessarily in war. Warfare is not more moral than terrorism, given that the end is normally the same (re: innocent people are dead needlessly).

I think we agree, I have no idea why you think I am defending the Americans, my point was in regards to the classification of terrorism and how it relates to the targeting of "soft" targets.

I think it may stem from a "desire" to call Americans terrorists, since they are really no better than the people who flew planes into buildings, but if we want "terrorism" to mean something more than just an insulting phrase to throw at those you don't agree with, distinctions must be made.

Originally posted by chithappens
Besides, the U.S. did not satisfy any requirement for a just war with Iraq this time around so technically everyone is "innocent." 😆

Maybe it was because Saddam was suffering from too much Jahiliya.

Originally posted by chithappens
Oh and on this particular point, it seems they are trying to prolong the war. If you go into how these "extremists groups" got resourced (again, this is the Afghan drug trade that the U.S. troops were ordered not to affect) it seems almost intentional on the part of the high brass that the war get prolonged.

Different historians speculate that the Vietnam war was also prolonged purposely. The money in war is enormous and since we do have so much "power" it does seem kinda weird we don't just bomb and bomb until all surrender if we wanted to avoid lost of life... Shrug, I'm always going to be called a conspiracy theorist when people don't ever actually read source material before entering a discussion.

lol

you are clearly correct. However, I don't think there is any argument that says "we would like to prolong the war for the specific reason of killing civilians"

please remember what I said earlier, there is no real moral distinction between killing civilians through "terrorism" or through "warfare", simply one of classification.

Originally posted by inimalist

I think we agree, I have no idea why you think I am defending the Americans, my point was in regards to the classification of terrorism and how it relates to the targeting of "soft" targets.

I've been having this conversation too much lately with idiots. Probably getting under my skin now... 😆

Originally posted by inimalist

Maybe it was because Saddam was suffering from too much Jahiliya.

Honestly, that would be more acceptable than some of the B.S. they came up with. I forgot he was killed in front of those people after that trail... Seems so long ago

Originally posted by chithappens
I've been having this conversation too much lately with idiots. Probably getting under my skin now... 😆

Honestly, that would be more acceptable than some of the B.S. they came up with. I forgot he was killed in front of those people after that trail... Seems so long ago

lol, at least with the Jahiliya there might be some valid arguments for why to go in the first place 🙂

but no, I hear what you are saying about arguing with idiots, its really easy to put words into someone's mouth because they are saying something you have heard before. And too many people never think for themselves, so bad arguments have a tendency to get repeated.

Yea my mistake. It's time to eat cookies so I calm down LOL

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
And how many of that 2.5% are caused by normal causes, like car accidents, heart attacks, illness, old age, murder etc etc?

srry for misquoting. the number of documented WAR related deaths since the occupations = 2.5% of the iraqi population and estimates put the actual fifure as possibly 8 to ten times that high.

oh btw, theres hardly if any, fighting between shia and muslim groups, there is also no AL- QAEDA in iraq, it isnt sum huge evil international organisation with greater funding than small stakes and the ability to takw over the world.

its done internally to spark sectarian violence and claim that it is infact that country at war with itself. you can choose to beleive or not beleive me ofcourse.

Originally posted by inimalist
lol, this is retarded

ok, you guys are all correct, America goes out of its way to kill civilians, and this is proved by the fact that they torture...

****ing christ, why does nobody even think about what they say...

This is what im saying. I think its clear that really America doesnt give a ****ing shit about civilians. You heard of the term "accidently unpurpose" where you do something bad but you know really you shouildnt be doing it eg you torture somebody and you know damn well they are probably innocent, you bomb an area and you know that something looks like a school but you dont give a **** anyway your justification is that you were bombing military targets.

As for actually categorically bombing innocent people...this is what im saying I wouldnt be suprised if their were some cases were this happened. For the most part I think its just they dont give a **** eg they dont distinguish between combatants and civilains and they just carelessly go around bombing stuff.

Originally posted by inimalist

Because they are torturing now, we can just blanket assume that a decade ago, under a different administration, everything the American's say is a lie.

I did say be cynical I said they might well be telling the truth but be skeptical, thats an illogical statement. Also eventhough stuff has happened a decade ago they are still doing they same sort of thing.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
srry for misquoting. the number of documented WAR related deaths since the occupations = 2.5% of the iraqi population and estimates put the actual fifure as possibly 8 to ten times that high.

oh btw, theres hardly if any, fighting between shia and muslim groups, there is also no AL- QAEDA in iraq, it isnt sum huge evil international organisation with greater funding than small stakes and the ability to takw over the world.

its done internally to spark sectarian violence and claim that it is infact that country at war with itself. you can choose to beleive or not beleive me ofcourse.

🙄 We don't count the bad guys as war victims. Also, AL- QAEDA is or was in Iraq, the US killed the main bad guy. Also, the Iraq government just stated that the US troops are needed for now to remove AL- QAEDA from Iraq, but there will be no permanent basses in Iraq.

Alf:

we do this every time. We argue, then you end up throwing the same argument I've been making to you, at me, as though you were arguing my position.

Here are quotes from my first few posts. Tell me how they differ from what you just said?

Originally posted by inimalist
While America does kill many, many, MANY innocent people needlessly, they do so as "collateral damage". Whereas in Islamic terror, it is the specific point.

This isn't a moral distinction in my books, just one of classification.

Originally posted by inimalist
I don't think warfare is by any means more moral of an option than terrorism, nor do I think warfare is any more discriminate in its killing of civilians. Maybe there is something to be said for the motivation, but killing is killing...

Originally posted by Devil King
No terrorism in Christianity.

Brainwashing

No terrorism in Judaism.

Brainwashing

No terrorism in religion.

Brainwashing

Bottom line: All religion is brainwashing.

🙄

Satan has brainwashed you to believe that...:L

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Satan has brainwashed you to believe that...:L

That, in my opinion, is a lie. No offence to you.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That, in my opinion, is a lie. No offence to you.

It was a joke, don't worry...

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
#

It was a joke, don't worry...

Well, I couldn't tell... 😮 😆

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Well, I couldn't tell... 😮 😆

I was trying to show how easy it is to call someone brainwashed...perhaps I should have chosen the Illuminati or something....

Islam is the Religion of Peas.

Peas be upon you all.

"No Terrorism in Islam"

HOGWASH

Islam is full of Radicals.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
🙄 We don't count the bad guys as war victims. Also, AL- QAEDA is or was in Iraq, the US killed the main bad guy. Also, the Iraq government just stated that the US troops are needed for now to remove AL- QAEDA from Iraq, but there will be no permanent basses in Iraq.

2.5% of iraqis are bad guys now????????

alqaeda never was nor is in iraq. the US killed a large percentage of the population and a few bad guys.

the iraq government is a puppet government under america with no real powere.

the US is putting billions into building and protecting/developing bases which are CLAIMED to be temporary. every analyst has pointed this out.

Originally posted by inimalist
Alf:

we do this every time. We argue, then you end up throwing the same argument I've been making to you, at me, as though you were arguing my position.

W-what you mean like the time you said that I was blaming the West for all of Africas problems and not taking Africa to account then I had to show you a 101 posts where I did which you didnt read? Oh I know you have a selective memory.

Originally posted by inimalist

Here are quotes from my first few posts. Tell me how they differ from what you just said?

Most of it doesnt, so what? I stated in the post that I still think that there are cases where America kills civilains unpurpose which is what we disagree on.....isnt it?

Furthermore the point of the post was to try and explain why I think there are cases where they would do this. Which is what your post was about.

Originally posted by inimalist
lol, this is retarded

ok, you guys are all correct, America goes out of its way to kill civilians, and this is proved by the fact that they torture...

****ing christ, why does nobody even think about what they say...

Your post was about the reasons that I gave for Americans bombing civilains was retarded. Going over my post again the point im trying to make is what they are doing is morally grey, so there will be cases in which they do go into the black eg Some civilians are swearing at soldiers and a soldier shots them and trys to cover it up as accident because they see the civilains as subhuman anyway and dont give a **** about their rights. The bombing of the aspirin factory may have been an accident but I wouldnt be suprised if they did in unpurpose they're pissed about the twin towers, there America they can do what they like "lets teach these Ayrabs a lesson and make it look like an accident".

Furthermore the post isnt any different from what a post I made earlier ie most innocent people are killed as a result of military strategy but sometimes they blantantly kill people unpurpose.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well if you have picture of American soldiers having their photographs taken next to torture victims why wouldnt they bomb civilian targets? Lets put it this way I guess it wouldnt happen on a regualr basis but you dont think there might have been some cases where it was done unpurpose?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
2.5% of iraqis are bad guys now????????

alqaeda never was nor is in iraq. the US killed a large percentage of the population and a few bad guys.

the iraq government is a puppet government under america with no real powere.

the US is putting billions into building and protecting/developing bases which are CLAIMED to be temporary. every analyst has pointed this out.

So, suicide bombers are a normal Iraqi activity? You getting to much propaganda.