I've also learned Wrecker was powered up and had assistance when taking out Bill...another non-feat.
Really, the claim FP Wrecker was stronger than Classic Thor is just absurd.
And I'm still not getting this she's not stronger than J'onn crap.
Do you people seriously think Hercules trying his hardest couldn't move J'onn's arm in an armwrestle?
The guy who has pulled Manhattan and held up the Earth couldn't so much as budge Manhunter's arm in a contest of strength when trying his best?
I mean, come on.
Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
I've also learned Wrecker was powered up and had assistance when taking out Bill...another non-feat.Really, the claim FP Wrecker was stronger than Classic Thor is just absurd.
And I'm still not getting this she's not stronger than J'onn crap.
Do you people seriously think Hercules trying his hardest couldn't move J'onn's arm in an armwrestle?
The guy who has pulled Manhattan and held up the Earth couldn't so much as budge Manhunter's arm in a contest of strength when trying his best?
I mean, come on.
Maybe not Stronger, but he's pretty damn high. Most people think he's about class 40. Could a class 40 one-shot the Hulk ? I think not.
Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
So...yep. When Thor fought Wrecker, he was not at his physical best thanks to Odin.That's fact as seen by the golden bull.
Still waiting on actual proof of FP Wrecker being even close to Thor in strength.
.....Wrong! As stated in the comic, he HAD his full strength as that was his natural power. All his other powers ie. magical was removed, but not his strength AS STATED. I even posted the scans stating it. Is Wrecker more powerful then Thor? No, but they did say in the issue was STRONGER not more powerful.
Have you actually even read the comic? As when Wrecker first got the power charge it was directly stated Loki wanted it as it would make him stronger then Thor thanks to the Norn Queen spell.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The Wrecking Crew bitched Hercules once I believe. Btw, wasn't Herc mortal when he arm-wrestled Shulkie?
Twice, the second time Thor had to save him and return his confidence as after the first encounter he was terrified of the Crew
Originally posted by grey fox
*raises hand*Me too
You don't count 😛
Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
I've also learned Wrecker was powered up and had assistance when taking out Bill...another non-feat.Really, the claim FP Wrecker was stronger than Classic Thor is just absurd.
And I'm still not getting this she's not stronger than J'onn crap.
Do you people seriously think Hercules trying his hardest couldn't move J'onn's arm in an armwrestle?
The guy who has pulled Manhattan and held up the Earth couldn't so much as budge Manhunter's arm in a contest of strength when trying his best?
I mean, come on.
I even said Tanaraq charged him up in my post. Are you actually reading my posts? As Wrecker and Crew have had several augmentations and depowerments mentioned by other members too. *sigh* It's in one ear out the other with you
That's what was said in a comic, which you havn't even read. So how are you trying to validate the claim when you havn't even read it yourself? Plus I showed the scans stating he was physically stronger then Thor. Is he more powerful? No, as the reason Wrecker won as Thor didn't have his magical abilities but just had his strength which was said, yet Wrecker was still said to be stronger.
Actually writers of the handbooks said Hercules pulling Manhatten was Hercules simply bragging and didn't actually happen. Scroll down for my post
1. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=461609&pagenumber=3
So instead of claiming people need to read comics, maybe you should watch what you say as really basically your ignorning on-panel feats and direct quotes.
Originally posted by grey fox
Maybe not Stronger, but he's pretty damn high. Most people think he's about class 40. Could a class 40 one-shot the Hulk ? I think not.
Overall he isn't, after the first apperance when he was said to be stronger they said he was equal or near Thor's equal. Even saying his crowbar=Mjolnir
http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,155879.msg2542574.html#new
That should clear up the issue of Wrecker's strength.
Originally posted by Jonathanos
http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,155879.msg2542574.html#newThat should clear up the issue of Wrecker's strength.
No where did it state any where in the issue Thor's strength was reduced EVER in the issue. As I said several time times his magical abilites were stripped, and I even mentioned Tanaraq powered Wrecker. As I said in the same issue they mention his strength is incalcuable even after the god power removal
Actually kinda sad seeing as their saying stuff I actually said, and has to rely on other people
The post
Wrecker's strength level has varied a bit over the years, but he's generally low-level Class 100, somewhere between the Thing and Thor. At his best, his strength rivals Thor's IMO but isn't its equal
100% accurate, as after that first encounter they mentioned he was near or equal to Thor's power. Do I think Wrecker is currently as strong as Thor? Far from it, but his first apperance which I noted as classic was implied to be stronger then Thor where he lost all his powers, but had his strength.
Any idea that Wrecker fought a Thor that was physically as well as normal is false.Just look at the Loki fight.There is no question whatsoever that Thor's endurance and stamina were significantly adversely affected.It's referred to in arc panels,for pete's sake.
That's not even getting into things like what Nick says about his strength.
The Crowbar may be an effective blunt weapon.But it hasn't demonstrated abilities and versatility on par with Mjolnir's better stuff.
Ahhhh! Now their completly missing the entire point of what I was talking about, no where ever did I state his endurance and stamina wern't affected. I have been talking about his strength not his other abilities as in the issue in question still refered to his strength as immeasurable. Was Thor at physical top condition? No he wasn't, his strength apparently wasn't phazed; but couldn't take Wrecker's blow as his durability left and couldn't keep up the pace long as his stamina faltered.
It 100% HASN'T demonstrated anything even close, but that's what was said on-panel [I do not agree with it though]. Which is odd since Wrecker gives the crowbar it's power not the other way around
1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Thor_1990_418_07.jpg
Honestly,if someone wants to remain in the dark,sometimes,it's cool to just 'let em.It is factual that Thor's fight performance was affected there.He couldn't maintain an offensive attack as well as he normally does because his Godly stamina/endurance was no more
I wish I had an account there so I can defend myself as Shin has completly contorted and implied things I never said.
Thor's performance was DEFINETLY effected no where have I ever and I mean EVER said otherwise. As when Thor is full power he usually pounds on Wrecker and the Crew. Wrecker puts up a fight, but Odinson wins in the end.
If anyone wishes to see the fight it's all posted in here:
1. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t453738.html
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Is Wrecker stronger then Thor now? No, far from it but they implied he was in his first apperance and then later apperances said he was near or equal his power yet clearly showed he was still drastically stronger. I know since I have posted majority of their fights in the above thread
Just FYI, Jon posted the link to this thread in the thread I linked to.Now Mungi is reading all your posts and replying to them (and this one too) and I get to look like a n00b for asking everyone as he's already pounced on.
Oh well.
Mungi, if you're reading this, **** you.
Do I honestly care you never read the issue? No. I don't, but you went on about how I need to read comics when I actually have provided evidence. If anything I'm being the more mature one here
Notice the second scan of the Loki/Thor fight.Loki boasts that the strength of his limbs is a match for Thor's own strength now that Thor is a mortal.
Thor's strength is reduced.
Even when full power [no god powers removed] Loki has gone toe to toe with Thor in the past. As mentioned in the issue Thor's strength even when his God powers were removed was said to be immeasurable
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Even when full power [no god powers removed] Loki has gone toe to toe with Thor in the past
Yet Loki is well aware that he was not Thor's equal in strength as he admitted in the fight. Loki even once claimed that Thor's physical strength is greater than Odin's.
In this fight, Loki says that the now-mortal Thor no longer has the strength advantage.
Originally posted by Jonathanos
Yet Loki is well aware that he was not Thor's equal in strength as he admitted in the fight. Loki even once claimed that Thor's physical strength is greater than Odin's.In this fight, Loki says that the now-mortal Thor no longer has the strength advantage.
Fair point, but Loki has been known to amp [not saying he did it here as there is no proof], but I'm sure his reduce in stamina and durability came into play just like it did with Wrecker. As mentioned his strength was said to be immeasurable in the issue where he fought Wrecker. Do I think Wrecker is stronger? No, but this issue implied he was. Next apperance there definetly was a rather large difference in power between the two. Wrecker puts up a fight, but Odinson clearly wins [Scans posted in the link I posted above]
As I mentioned earlier, Loki has shown to still be able to go toe to toe with Thor when he wasn't depowered and really wasn't phazed.
Originally posted by Superherovandal
what comic did WW lose to PG?
It was in the October issue of Brave and The Bold. Peeg was being mindcontrolled by the Alchemist and attacked Wonder Woman. It was not utter domination, but the fight in the comic gave a pretty clear impression of Peeg being physically stronger than Wonder Woman, albeit much less skilled.
