Originally posted by Sundipped
Still a greater feat like I said.Forget about timelines and universal aspects. I'm going off of what has happened on panel in combat situations and Phoenix has owned Galan.
Originally posted by Mr MasterSo do you have any on panel verification that a future timeline is not a universe?
Phoenix never held an entire Universe in her hands and made amputations to it.
None of your speculation, but ourt right stating that "A future timeline is not a universe"
Originally posted by Mr MasterYou mean like the one sided prep galactus had when he bottled phoenix?
With PREP (Seven pages to be exact)
Oh... double standard... Talking to people sure is the same thing as developing the specific technology required to do something. 🙄
Originally posted by Mr MasterBecause you've got nothing onpanel that directly states that a future timeline is not a universe.
Jean amputated the Alternate Future of Reality 15104.Reality 15104 is 150 years old,
how can this be compared to 616 which has been expanding for Billions of years?
Originally posted by Mr MasterRight she severed a possible future of 616. Quit downplauying it. 🙂
Reality 15104 is a possible Future of Reality 616.Reality 15104's Future, NOT 616's ...
is what Jean amputated and Repaired in the WHR atomically.
Originally posted by Mr MasterAccording to onpanel evidence and the bio you keep posting she sure did. 🙂
Jean never did anything to Reality 15104 which manifested in her hands.
Originally posted by Mr MasterYup. She prevented 616 from becoming 15104.
(read X-Men #154)At the end of the issue (#154) Jean goes back in time,
changes Scott's mind about Emma & the X-Men,
this then Alters the possible Future of 616.
Originally posted by Mr MasterYes because jean has nothing to do with it. 🙄
So essentially it was Scott's decision that created and Altered 15104, not Jean.
Who was it that altered history to make sure that scott made that different decision? Cause scott can reach into the past and make him change his own mind.
Originally posted by Mr MasterNo it didn't. It was jean who took him back to the fork and made him go down the other path. WAY to downplay the feat.
Jean ONLY manipulated Scott's decision,
but the power to alter that Reality laid in Scott's mind.
Originally posted by Mr MasterAnd?
.........................................................................................BTW.
Uatu did the same thing with Reality 311 (the year 1602 of the 616 Universe)
Uatu held it in his hands, and then placed that entire Universe within himself.
That entire Universe of course was a Timeline just like Jean's,
and a "Tiny" one at that, because it was a young Reality just like Jean's 15104.
"Uatu did something as impressive, therefore your other character is WEAK!"
🙄 Desperate much?
Originally posted by Kutulu
Galactus was killing off the Phoenix force in one storyline, but the stars began to grow dim and it would have caused damage to the universe, so he stopped. In that storyline though he was on the verge of killing it.
Tyrant was killing off Galactus in 1 storyline but Morg hit him with the UN so he couldn't. In that storyline Galactus had just fed before confronting Tyrant.
The Phoenix is capable of absorbing way more energy than Tyrant did.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Which in turn belonged to 616.Can't deny that Mr. Master.
I don't deny that Timeline 15104 (future 150 years) is a possible future of 616.
(Jean held Timeline 15104 in her hands)
Just like I don't deny that Timeline 311 (the year 1602) is a definite Past of 616.
(Uatu held Timeline 311 in his hands too)
Originally posted by CreshoskA baby universe is still a universe.
A kitten is still a cat.
A foal is still a deer
A calf is still a cow.A toddler is still a human.
No doubt.
But it's far easier to carry a,
foul instead of a deer
a calf instead of a cow
a toddler instead of an adult.
So by your own logic,
we see the difference between holding a "baby" "tiny" Universe,
in comparison with holding an Parent, adult Universe.
Originally posted by Creshosk
or your interpritation of what Marvel comics says rather.
Marvel's interpretation evidently:
The Phoenix Force tells Rachel,
"ALL I have become, You ARE Too,
My Essence is Bonded to Your Spirit, the Burden of Power, will be YOURS"
..................................................................................
The Phoenix Force itself told Rachel,
" You are the ONE TRUE PHOENIX"
Originally posted by Creshosk
Its true.
Cause you say so?
Where is it stated on panel that Rachel is the weakest avatar?
Originally posted by Creshosk
out of the numbers
1, 2, 3, 4, 52 is the number most like 1 however 1 is still not 2.
Though technically you could say that Emma or Storm were weaker phoenixes in Endsong and that What if... Rachel is still no Jean.
According to Marvel Rachel was everything Jean was.
Can't deny that Cresh.
Originally posted by Creshosk
And I'm not impressed by galactus being punked out so easily.Galactus really doesn't seem to be all that.
While Starved?
I agree.
Originally posted by Creshosk
What was hard to understand about that.Would it increase his durability and the power of his attacks or would it simply increase the amount of energy available to him?
If it doesn't provide any extra durability against attacks or increase his attacking power then a better fed galactus would sitll fair about the same. His blasts having no effect and him feeling as much pain as he did when he was starving.
Galactus becomes more powerful when he feeds.
Originally posted by Creshosk
And I'm not impressed by Galactus in general.
Fine.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Exactly. Galactus, big whoop. Earth based heroes can beat him..
I know, that Starving Galactus is such a difference to his normal self.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Not really you haven't.
Actually I did. You not accepting it is a whole different story.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Typical Phoenix speach doesn't cut it when its obviously not true. Otherwise there'd be no disticntion bewteen the phonexii.
As you wish.
Originally posted by Creshosk
To bad you've got no evidence of that.
It's my opinion based on many other facts.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Nor of this. Funny how you demand "On panel evidence until you change your mind about things you have no on panel verification for.
Galactus insatiable was going to absorb the Multiverse, and maybe more,
during the Black Celestial arc,
This was certified in a GOTG. (I have the proof as always if you wish)
Once galactus is verified to be capable of taking out the Multiverse,
that sets him many, many levels above any Phoenix,
who's never affected even Two realities at once.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Trying to justify your ABC logic?
Don't get mad at me
because Cube Beings can grant other beings the Full power of the Phoenix Force.
Originally posted by Mr Master
👆 I agree.
Of course, just to be against Phoenix. In general scenario, Galactus lost twice.
Phoenix is no Tyrant.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Phoenix is so overrated by some[QUOTE]No, you are underating Phoenix.
[QUOTE=9795397]Originally posted by Mr Master
That's it, that's all Phoenix has done under her own power that's worth mentioning.So Eternity >>> Celestials >>> Cube Beings >>> Full Phoenix Force
Ha. Funny. Now you give even Celestial above Full Phoenix Force.
Wow, you said ''That's it, that's all Phoenix has done under her own power that's worth mentioning'', WTF has Celestial done? Nothing even comparable to Phoenix.
Phoenix destroyed Eternity.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Reality 15104 was a possible future timeline of 616.
That is Mr Master. He won't tell that. He despise Phoenix and is probably underrating it the most of all.
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
A normal galactus wipes 3+ solar systems with his ass he would do much more then a little better.
3 solar systems. 🙂. He can do much more than just that. Anyway, the point is that he even wasn't a challenge to the Rachel.
And from the talk between the two, it was like Galactus knew he was fighting a more powerful being, who has a greater power source.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I'll wait for you to post the proof that states,Normal Galactus beats every Phoenix except for WPOTC.
Galactus insatiable curbstomps WPOTC.
I am waiting proof that states where Galactus insatiable curbstomps Phoenix. Because he surely hasn't shown anything close to that level, not even close.
I mean, you are talking about waiting panel evidence, while you have no panel verification for what are you saying.
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
So we are using the strongest versions now?then I guess we use the true full powered galactus and he stomps a mudhole in phoenix.
Am, based on what? What has FP Galactus done?
No Galactus is close to the Phoenix level.
Originally posted by Kutulu
Galactus was killing off the Phoenix force in one storyline, but the stars began to grow dim and it would have caused damage to the universe, so he stopped. In that storyline though he was on the verge of killing it.
He wasn't match for the Phoenix. Phoenix allowed him to do that.
Would he really be able to completely kill the Phoenix Force, since no one even in exsitence did that?
Originally posted by Creshosk
Right she severed a possible future of 616. Quit downplauying it. 🙂No it didn't. It was jean who took him back to the fork and made him go down the other path. WAY to downplay the feat.
He is pretty much always doing that when Pheonix emerges in the thread.
Originally posted by Mr MasterActually Timeline 311 was an alternate timeline to a point in 616's past. not actually a "definte past" as there is only one past. even if there are "raods not taken" from divergence points in that past.
I don't deny that Timeline 15104 (future 150 years) is a possible future of 616.
(Jean held Timeline 15104 in her hands)Just like I don't deny that Timeline 311 (the year 1602) is a definite Past of 616.
(Uatu held Timeline 311 in his hands too)
Originally posted by Mr MasterExcept if its an ostritch.
No doubt.But it's far easier to carry a,
foul instead of a deer
Originally posted by Mr MasterA calf is a cow.
a calf instead of a cow
Originally posted by Mr MasterAnd you have any On-panel proof of the tiny universe being harder to hold than a "full one"?
a toddler instead of an adult.So by your own logic,
we see the difference between holding a "baby" "tiny" Universe,
in comparison with holding an Parent, adult Universe.
Or is this just your interpritation with nothing concrete to back it?
Originally posted by Mr MasterThat's just the standard phoenix speech. In endsong it had appearently forgotten that it was one with Jean and Jean had to tell it the same thing.
Marvel's interpretation evidently:/quote] Nope. YOUR interpritation.[QUOTE=9795671]Originally posted by Mr Master
The Phoenix Force tells Rachel,"ALL I have become, You ARE Too,
My Essence is Bonded to Your Spirit, the Burden of Power, will be YOURS"
So again, if Jean is one with the phoenix force, and Rachel is one with the phoenix force, that'd mean that Rachel is one with Jean wouldn't it?
Since they're obviously not it is once again, Hyperbolic speech.
Originally posted by Mr MasterAnd yet the phoenix force forgot that it was one with Jean... again, just fancy speech nothing more.
..................................................................................The Phoenix Force itself told Rachel,
Originally posted by Mr MasterCause logic says so. It's illogical to assume that everything a character says in comics is the ireffutable truth. In so accepting everything as what is litereally stated you're like a fundimentilist of a religon. Metaphores and parables exist.
Cause you say so?
Originally posted by Mr MasterWhere's it stated that she's equal to the other phonexii? Where are her feats that put her on par? All you have is the hyperbolic speech that you accept without interpritation and ignore the fact that the Phoenix force is NOT omniscient and tells it to everyone. But how can it even be true if Jean could rip the force out of another person and had to tell it something it didn't know?
Where is it stated on panel that Rachel is the weakest avatar?
Think man, don't just swallow the hyperbole you're given.
Originally posted by Mr MasterSure I can because I'm not gullible.
According to Marvel Rachel was everything Jean was.Can't deny that Cresh.
Got any onpanel proof that says that Rachel is Jean?
Originally posted by Mr MasterAt all.
While Starved?I agree.
Originally posted by Mr MasterAnd what does that mean exactly? More stamina? More powers? Stronger powers than before?
Galactus becomes more powerful when he feeds.
Face it Starving galactus was punked easily. It might not be as easy but you really think that rachel couldn't beat a normal one?
It might take 5 or even 10 hits... but the fight was no where NEAR close when he was starved that its assinine to assume that he'd win at normal levels when we have no proof of what normal levels increase factor is.
We have nothing quantifiable.
Originally posted by Mr MasterSo different that he'll go from being one shotted to winning?
I know, that Starving Galactus is such a difference to his normal self.
Yeah, got any actual proof of that? Cause its a sweeping generalization to assume so.
Originally posted by Mr MasterNo, you failing to provide concrete proof is undeniable. You're relying on hyperbolic speech which is contradicted by other on panel evidence of character.
Actually I did. You not accepting it is a whole different story.
Logically speaking its just an initiation speech. As clearly they do not become hiveminded or anything of the like.
Heck even your precious beyonder evidence says contradiction.
How could he give her the full power of the phoenix force (which he then failed to stop) when she was supposedly already "Everything that I am you are"?
Does that make sense? if she was 100% then how could he make her 100%?
Originally posted by Mr Master
As you wish.
Originally posted by Mr MasterAt least you admit its your opinion. Now stop touting your opinion off like it was a fact as well.
It's my opinion based on many other facts.
Originally posted by Mr MasterSupposedly.
Galactus insatiable was going to absorb the Multiverse, and maybe more,
during the Black Celestial arc,
But its really kinda funny. Insatiable is a word that would mean greater than starving. So logically when he was going to absorb the multiverse a regular human should have been able to drive him away.
The amount of energy he can absorb is tied to his state, the hungrier the more he can absorb but the easier it is to beat him.
Originally posted by Mr MasterAbsorbing capacity doesn't aqquint to current power level.
This was certified in a GOTG. (I have the proof as always if you wish)[QUOTE=9795671]Originally posted by Mr Master
[B]Once galactus is verified to be capable of taking out the Multiverse,
Originally posted by Mr MasterLike 616 and 15104 at the same time? sly
that sets him many, many levels above any Phoenix,
who's never affected even Two realities at once.
Originally posted by Mr MasterAnd then fail to stop it.
Don't get mad at me
because Cube Beings can grant other beings the Full power of the Phoenix Force.
Again how would he be able to grant that which she already was supposedly?
So which is it? Was she not 100% and he made her that way, or was she already that way normally?
Logic is not on your side my friend, you're faced with contradiction.
I'd tell you not to get mad that your arguments are illogical and contradictory, but we both know that you don't get mad.
Now again, thanks to ABC logic Spiderman>>>Galactus 🙂
Originally posted by Creshosk
So do you have any on panel verification that a future timeline is not a universe?None of your speculation, but ourt right stating that "A future timeline is not a universe"
I never said Timelines are not universes.
I said Timelines are "BABY" TINY" universes because of their infancy.
Like All Realities in Marvel,
they begin tiny, and grow with time.
Originally posted by Creshosk
You mean like the one sided prep galactus had when he bottled phoenix?
I never used that feat, (Galactus erasing the PF from existence) as reasons.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Because you've got nothing onpanel that directly states that a future timeline is not a universe.
That's because I never said that.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Right she severed a possible future of 616.Quit downplauying it.
Wrong, she severed an Alternate Future of Reality 15104:
"In ONE Future, Phoenix severed the Alternate Future ... OF ... Reality - 15104"
Originally posted by Creshosk
According to onpanel evidence and the bio you keep posting she sure did.
Really?
Here all the relevant scans from beginning to end.
Jean Amputates the Future of Reality 15104 and Repairs it in the WHR:
"Hospital White Hot" ... "Grow better Future"
....................................................................................................
Jean STILL hasn't done anything to Reality 15104.
After Repairing the Future of Reality 15104, PF says,
"Telekinetic control of all those atoms at once ian't as easy as it sounds,
not even for a White Phoenix of the Crown"
....................................................................................................
Now Reality 15104 appears in Jean's hands,
Jean doesn't know what it is, or what to do with it:
....................................................................................................
Jean still hasn't done a thing to Reality 15104.
In the last Panel, Jean finally does something:
"Live Scott"
....................................................................................................
And what does Jean do?
What did she do when she said, "Live Scott?"
Jean went into the Past, changed Scott's mind about his life, Emma & the X-Men,
and then Scott's decision Alters Reality 15104.
According to Grant Morrison: (the Writer of this arc)
(excerpt from the Questionnaires addressed to the Writers, last page New X-Men #155)
....................................................................................................
On Panel verification:
I guess ol' Morrison wasn't lying about the story he created.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Yup. She prevented 616 from becoming 15104.
There's no assurance that 616 would ever become 15104.
For there's a slew of Realities taking place Far beyond 150 years as we speak,
all these Realities are "Possible Future Timelines"
We'll never know until the time comes,
this is why these Timelines are enclosed in their own Reality apart from the 616 Universe.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Yes because jean has nothing to do with it.
I never said that.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Who was it that altered history to make sure that scott made that different decision?
Who forced Scott's decision to change you mean?
Jean did.
Scott was the one that Altered history though.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Cause scott can reach into the past and make him change his own mind.
Nah, but Cable and Xavier together can.
Or any other time traveller and mind rapists.
Originally posted by Creshosk
No it didn't. It was jean who took him back to the fork and made him go down the other path. WAY to downplay the feat.
Jean forced Scott's decision to change, that's it.
Scott's decision was the power that Altered 15104,
On Panel, in the Bio and according to Grant Morrison himself.
Originally posted by Creshosk
And?"Uatu did something as impressive, therefore your other character is WEAK!"
I never said Phoenix was weak, but overrated.
The Uatu example just shows that that particular feat (holding a Timeline) is not all that.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Desperate much?
You threw a few of these,
if you continue,
I'll just cease from this could be cool debate.
Originally posted by Mr MasterThat doesn't look like what I asked for.
I never said Timelines are not universes.I said Timelines are "BABY" TINY" universes because of their infancy.
Like All Realities in Marvel,
they begin tiny, and grow with time.
Originally posted by Mr MasterGood, don't.
I never used that feat, (Galactus erasing the PF from existence) as reasons.
Originally posted by Mr MasterBut that's the card you're playing. If you don't want to back it up, don't play the card.
That's because I never said that.
Originally posted by Mr MasterAgain, interpritation. 🙂 Not fact but your opinion based off of what's stated.
Wrong, she severed an Alternate Future of Reality 15104:... Reality - 15104"
"In ONE Future, Phoenix severed the Alternate Future ... [B] OF
[/b]
Originally posted by Mr MasterHooray for instacontradictions!
Really?
a
Here all the relevant scans from beginning to end.Jean Amputates the Future of Reality 15104 and Repairs it in the WHR:
"Hospital White Hot" ... "Grow better Future"
....................................................................................................Jean STILL hasn't done anything to Reality 15104.
After Repairing the Future of Reality 15104, PF says,
Originally posted by Mr MasterOh no? And now you contradicted yourself again.
"Telekinetic control of all those atoms at once ian't as easy as it sounds,
not even for a White Phoenix of the Crown"
....................................................................................................Now Reality 15104 appears in Jean's hands,
Jean doesn't know what it is, or what to do with it:
....................................................................................................Jean still hasn't done a thing to Reality 15104.
Flip, flop, flip, flop.
Originally posted by Mr MasterActually that's exactly the way that "Alternate possible futures" works and "divergent timelines."
In the last Panel, Jean finally does something:"Live Scott"
....................................................................................................And what does Jean do?
What did she do when she said, "Live Scott?"
Jean went into the Past, changed Scott's mind about his life, Emma & the X-Men,
and then Scott's decision Alters Reality 15104.According to Grant Morrison: (the Writer of this arc)
(excerpt from the Questionnaires addressed to the Writers, last page New X-Men #155)
....................................................................................................On Panel verification:
I guess ol' Morrison wasn't lying about the story he created.[b/[]quote] No that'd be your interpritations of events again.
But thanks for proving me right.
[QUOTE=9795671]Originally posted by Mr Master
[B]There's no assurance that 616 would ever become 15104.
If an even happened differently it would become the alternate timeline.
In this case if Scott had left. But who kept him from leaving? Who prevented it from becoming that reality?
This is why I say you have a poor grasp of temporal mechanics.
Originally posted by Mr Master🙄 Got any proof that these "connected to 616" realities are "enclosed apart from 616"?
For there's a slew of Realities taking place Far beyond 150 years as we speak,
all these Realities are "Possible Future Timelines"/[quote] Right and if the events set them up right those "possible" becaome the future. Hence why they are "possible". If it was not possible for 616 to become them they would not be "possible" in eityher name or actuality.[QUOTE=9795671]Originally posted by Mr Master
We'll never know until the time comes,
this is why these Timelines are enclosed in their own Reality apart from the 616 Universe.
Do you like contradicting yourself? Cause you do it alot.
Originally posted by Mr MasterYou sure as hell implied it by placing all the credit on scott's shoulders making him sound like a reality/time manipulator.
I never said that.
Originally posted by Mr MasterSee? It sure wasn't Jean who went into the past and made the change, no that was scott who went into the past and forced the change.
Who forced Scott's decision to change you mean?Jean did.
Scott was the one that Altered history though.
It's like saying that a timetraveler goes back and time and kill hitler thus altering history and then saying it was hitler who altered history.
It wouldn't have been hitler who altered history but the person who went back in time and altered history by assassinating Hitler.
Jean forced the change. Not scott.
Originally posted by Mr MasterContradicting yourself again. Very nice.
Nah,
Originally posted by Mr MasterAnd Jean happens to be both, without even going INTO that reality. but simply holding the seperated part in her hands.
but Cable and Xavier together can.Or any other time traveller and mind rapists.
Originally posted by Mr MasterJust like hitler was the one who altered history.
Jean forced Scott's decision to change, that's it.Scott's decision was the power that Altered 15104,
You have a poor grasp of temporal mechanics.
Originally posted by Mr MasterNo, you're poor interpritation of the events. COnventntly ignoring where it states that Jean did anything.
On Panel, in the Bio and according to Grant Morrison himself.
Originally posted by Mr MasterRiiight.... actually I'd say she's underrated by you. Sorry, but its true.
I never said Phoenix was weak, but overrated.
Originally posted by Mr MasterYEah because Uatu is just some shmuck from the street.
The Uatu example just shows that that particular feat (holding a Timeline) is not all that.
Originally posted by Mr MasterThreaten all you want, it doesn't change things.
You threw a few of these,
if you continue,
I'll just cease from this could be cool debate.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Actually Timeline 311 was an alternate timeline to a point in 616's past. not actually a "definte past" as there is only one past. even if there are "raods not taken" from divergence points in that past.
According to the issue it was the year 1602 of the 616 Universe.
A Reality apart from 616 representing that Timeline,
like all Past and Future Timelines.
Originally posted by Creshosk
A calf is a cow.
I won't put up with this much.
Originally posted by Creshosk
And you have any On-panel proof of the tiny universe being harder to hold than a "full one"?Or is this just your interpritation with nothing concrete to back it?
Logic, are you the only one that's allowed to use it?
Cause most of what I'm reading from you is based on your logic.
Originally posted by Creshosk
That's just the standard phoenix speech. In endsong it had appearently forgotten that it was one with Jean and Jean had to tell it the same thing.
As you wish.
But to me you're simply refusing to accept the on panel evidence.
Originally posted by Creshosk
So again, if Jean is one with the phoenix force, and Rachel is one with the phoenix force, that'd mean that Rachel is one with Jean wouldn't it?
Jean didn't have the Force when Rachel did, and vice-versa.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Since they're obviously not it is once again, Hyperbolic speech.
Not hyperbole since they had the Force at separate times.
Originally posted by Creshosk
And yet the phoenix force forgot that it was one with Jean... again, just fancy speech nothing more.
They had the Force at separate times.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Cause logic says so.
There goes that logic.
Originally posted by Creshosk
It's illogical to assume that everything a character says in comics is the ireffutable truth. In so accepting everything as what is litereally stated you're like a fundimentilist of a religon. Metaphores and parables exist.
As you wish.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Where's it stated that she's equal to the other phonexii?
I already posted the scans,
you dismissed it as hyperbole.
Originally posted by CreshoskAll you have
is the hyperbolic speech that you accept without interpritation and ignore the fact that the Phoenix force is NOT omniscient and tells it to everyone. But how can it even be true if Jean could rip the force out of another person and had to tell it something it didn't know?
As opposed to all you have?
[QUOTE=9795764]Originally posted by Creshosk
[B] Think man, don't just swallow the hyperbole you're given.
Sure I can because I'm not gullible.
😂
Originally posted by Creshosk
Got any onpanel proof that says that Rachel is Jean?
I never said Rachel is Jean.
I said Rachel was one with the Force:
On Panel proof:
The Phoenix Force tells Rachel,
"ALL I have become, You ARE Too"
.................................................................................................
The Phoenix Force tells Rachel,
"You are the ONE TRUE Phoenix"
Originally posted by Creshosk
And what does that mean exactly? More stamina? More powers? Stronger powers than before?
Yep.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Face it Starving galactus was punked easily. It might not be as easy but you really think that rachel couldn't beat a normal one?It might take 5 or even 10 hits... but the fight was no where NEAR close when he was starved that its assinine to assume that he'd win at normal levels when we have no proof of what normal levels increase factor is.
We have nothing quantifiable.
So different that he'll go from being one shotted to winning?
As you wish.
Originally posted by Creshosk
No, you failing to provide concrete proof is undeniable. You're relying on hyperbolic speech which is contradicted by other on panel evidence of character.
As you wish.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Logically speaking its just an initiation speech.
As clearly they do not become hiveminded or anything of the like.
Logic again to dispute On Panel proof.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Heck even your precious beyonder evidence says contradiction.
"Precious?" dontgetit
Originally posted by Creshosk
How could he give her the full power of the phoenix force (which he then failed to stop) when she was supposedly already "Everything that I am you are"?Does that make sense? if she was 100% then how could he make her 100%?
Rachel became one with the Full Force in the Excalibur arc,
Years after the Beyonder gave Rachel the Full power of the Phoenix Force.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Supposedly.But its really kinda funny. Insatiable is a word that would mean greater than starving. So logically when he was going to absorb the multiverse a regular human should have been able to drive him away.
The amount of energy he can absorb is tied to his state, the hungrier the more he can absorb but the easier it is to beat him.
Actually "insatiable" means,
(impossible to satisfy)
In other words, no matter how much he feeds, he continues to feed.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Absorbing capacity doesn't aqquint to current power level.
If he can absorb the Multiverse,
he can absorb Phoenix without notice.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Like 616 and 15104 at the same time?
Never happened.
Originally posted by Creshosk
And then fail to stop it.
What?
Originally posted by Creshosk
Again how would he be able to grant that which she already was supposedly?So which is it? Was she not 100% and he made her that way, or was she already that way normally?
Rachel became one with the Full Force in the Excalibur arc,
Years after the Beyonder gave Rachel the Full power of the Phoenix Force.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Logic is not on your side my friend, you're faced with contradiction.
You're only contradicting yourself by mixing up historical facts.
Logic should be, read all there is to read,
then tell another they're logic is faulty based on all you've read.
Originally posted by Creshosk
I'd tell you not to get mad that your arguments are illogical and contradictory,
but we both know that you don't get mad.
Why should I be mad at the circles your putting yourself in.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Now again, thanks to ABC logic Spiderman>>>Galactus
I said I'd cease from the debate if I saw more unnecessary snideness.
Peace and love yall.
Originally posted by Creshoskneed to be more specific there in what way you mean cap and spidey is greater than galactus
Isn't ABC logic grand? 🙂I mean its an obvious ad hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy, but still it allows Captain America And even Spider-Man to be greater than Galactus.
Since Spidey beat Hulk as well.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Oh ABC logic... Let me try that.Captain America beat hulk
Cap>Hulk
Hulk beat Thor
Hulk>Thor
Thor Beat Ego
Thor>Ego
Galactus stalemated Ego
Ego=Galactus
Galactus is more powerful that surfer
Galactus>Surfer
Firelord beat surfer
Surfer<Firelord
Spiderman beat Firelord
Firelord<Spiderman
So we getCap>Hulk>Thor>Ego=Galactus>Surfer<Firelord<Spiderman
ISn't ABC logic great? 🙂
Cap>>>Galactus
😄
That is redicolus ABC logic and you know it Creshock.
Also master's Logic isn't entirely of.
We know that the Celestials was created by Eternity, and that the Celestials are beneath him, we also know that the Goblin Force a entity that defeated and devoured the Phoenix Force was defeated by the 5 fth Celestial Host. We also know by the Cubes own account that the Celestials are above them and that Master has just showed that Post Beyonder restored the Phoenix force in Jean back to full capacity so...
Originally posted by spidey-dudeit was there in the first post of mine you quoted.
need to be more specific there in what way you mean cap and spidey is greater than galactus
According to ABC logic they are.
Spiderman beat the Hulk
Hulk Beat Thor
Thor beat Ego
Ego stalemated Galactus
Since Spider-Man beat the hulk, and hulk beat Thor, Spider man could beat Thor.
Since Spiderman can beat Thor and Thor Beat Ego, Spiderman can beat Ego.
Since Ego salemated Galactus that means they are on par. But since Spiderman can beat Ego that means Spider-man can beat Galactus.
All ABC logic right there.
Spidey>Hulk>Thor>Ego>Galactus.
In ABC logic context is discarded so why and how don't matter. 🙂
Cube beaings can give a person the power of the phoenix, I can give a town all the water in a dam. So by that same token, I'm greater than all the water in a dam. Because I would then beable to stop it, much like beyonder could stop Rachel from using the phoenix force after he unlocked the force with in her.
🙂
All very Logical. 🙄
Oh and spidey dude, don't miss the sarcasm in my words. I'm mocking Mr. Master's arguments.
Originally posted by UtrigitaWay to go, using the ABC logic.
That is redicolus ABC logic and you know it Creshock.Also master's Logic isn't entirely of.
We know that the Celestials was created by Eternity, and that the Celestials are beneath him, we also know that the Goblin Force a entity that defeated and devoured the Phoenix Force was defeated by the 5 fth Celestial Host. We also know by the Cubes own account that the Celestials are above them and that Master has just showed that Post Beyonder restored the Phoenix force in Jean back to full capacity so...
Though you're going to have to open your eyes and recognize that ABC logic is ABC logic no matter what you call it. 🙂
And No, it wasn't Jean, that was rachel. oh wait, it doesn't matter cause they're the same character. doped
Originally posted by Creshoskstill doesnt prove cap is ahead of galactus just cuase hes beaten some other guys and how the hell is spidey gonna beat ego ? he has to go out in space 1st of all for that. i only have one ego book and i say gladiator got his ass kicked there big time from him. if glads cant handle ego i dont know how you think spidey would be able to.
it was there in the first post of mine you quoted.According to ABC logic they are.
Spiderman beat the Hulk
Hulk Beat Thor
Thor beat Ego
Ego stalemated GalactusSince Spider-Man beat the hulk, and hulk beat Thor, Spider man could beat Thor.
Since Spiderman can beat Thor and Thor Beat Ego, Spiderman can beat Ego.
Since Ego salemated Galactus that means they are on par. But since Spiderman can beat Ego that means Spider-man can beat Galactus.All ABC logic right there.
Spidey>Hulk>Thor>Ego>Galactus.
In ABC logic context is discarded so why and how don't matter. 🙂
Cube beaings can give a person the power of the phoenix, I can give a town all the water in a dam. So by that same token, I'm greater than all the water in a dam. Because I would then beable to stop it, much like beyonder could stop Rachel from using the phoenix force after he unlocked the force with in her.
🙂
All very Logical. 🙄
Oh and spidey dude, don't miss the sarcasm in my words. I'm mocking Mr. Master's arguments.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Way to go, using the ABC logic.Though you're going to have to open your eyes and recognize that ABC logic is ABC logic no matter what you call it. 🙂
And No, it wasn't Jean, that was rachel. oh wait, it doesn't matter cause they're the same character. doped
it isn't ABC logic but commen logic to be infact logic that you fail to accept because you know you cannot argue against it doped
also ABC logic is to disregard all known facts about the three beings in question which wasn't exactly done in this case.
Originally posted by Utrigita
That is redicolus ABC logic and you know it Creshock.Also master's Logic isn't entirely of.
We know that the Celestials was created by Eternity, and that the Celestials are beneath him, we also know that the Goblin Force a entity that defeated and devoured the Phoenix Force was defeated by the 5 fth Celestial Host. We also know by the Cubes own account that the Celestials are above them and that Master has just showed that Post Beyonder restored the Phoenix force in Jean back to full capacity so...
Haven't you heard?
On Panel artistic illustrations,
Official Marvel Bio descriptions,
and statements made by the Writer himself,
are all hyperbolic, mis-interpretations that contradict themselves.
All that matters is proofless logic here.
Originally posted by Creshosk
I'm mocking Mr. Master's arguments.
Whatever makes you bust.
Originally posted by spidey-dudeBecause of ABC Logic. of course. 😄
still doesnt prove cap is ahead of galactus just cuase hes beaten some other guys and how the hell is spidey gonna beat ego ? he has to go out in space 1st of all for that. i only have one ego book and i say gladiator got his ass kicked there big time from him. if glads cant handle ego i dont know how you think spidey would be able to.
Originally posted by UtrigitaJust like you can't argue against it cause you know its ABC logic despite calling it "common logic".
it isn't ABC logic but commen logic to be infact logic that you fail to accept because you know you cannot argue against it doped
Can't accept it for what it is. 🙂
Originally posted by UtrigitaIt's exactly what was done in this case. You fail to accept it because you know you cannot argue against it.
also ABC logic is to disregard all known facts about the three beings in question which wasn't exactly done in this case.
Boy its fun to be illogical. 🙂
Originally posted by Mr MasterObviously because that's what you're doing. 🙂
Haven't you heard?On Panel artistic illustrations,
Official Marvel Bio descriptions,
and statements made by the Writer himself,
are all hyperbolic, mis-interpretations that contradict themselves.All that matters is proofless logic here.
Originally posted by Mr MasterI like mocking people's bad logic and you like contadicting yourself. I think we make a fine pair.
Whatever makes you bust.
You contradict yourself, and I'll mock those contradictions. We can be a comedy duo like Abbot and costello. 😄
