Phoenix vs. Galactus

Originally posted by Mr Master
I never said Timelines are not universes.

I said Timelines are "BABY" TINY" universes because of their infancy.

Like All Realities in Marvel,
they begin tiny, and grow with time.

I never used that feat, (Galactus erasing the PF from existence) as reasons.

That's because I never said that.

Wrong, she severed an Alternate Future of Reality 15104:

"In ONE Future, Phoenix severed the Alternate Future ... [B] OF ... Reality - 15104"

Really?

Here all the relevant scans from beginning to end.

Jean Amputates the Future of Reality 15104 and Repairs it in the WHR:

"Hospital White Hot" ... "Grow better Future"
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Jean STILL hasn't done anything to Reality 15104.

After Repairing the Future of Reality 15104, PF says,

"Telekinetic control of all those atoms at once ian't as easy as it sounds,
not even for a White Phoenix of the Crown"
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Now Reality 15104 appears in Jean's hands,
Jean doesn't know what it is, or what to do with it:

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Jean still hasn't done a thing to Reality 15104.

In the last Panel, Jean finally does something:

"Live Scott"
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And what does Jean do?

What did she do when she said, "Live Scott?"

Jean went into the Past, changed Scott's mind about his life, Emma & the X-Men,
and then Scott's decision Alters Reality 15104.

According to Grant Morrison: (the Writer of this arc)

(excerpt from the Questionnaires addressed to the Writers, last page New X-Men #155)
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On Panel verification:

I guess ol' Morrison wasn't lying about the story he created.

There's no assurance that 616 would ever become 15104.

For there's a slew of Realities taking place Far beyond 150 years as we speak,
all these Realities are "Possible Future Timelines"

We'll never know until the time comes,
this is why these Timelines are enclosed in their own Reality apart from the 616 Universe.

I never said that.

Who forced Scott's decision to change you mean?

Jean did.

Scott was the one that Altered history though.

Nah, but Cable and Xavier together can.

Or any other time traveller and mind rapists.

Jean forced Scott's decision to change, that's it.

Scott's decision was the power that Altered 15104,

On Panel, in the Bio and according to Grant Morrison himself.

I never said Phoenix was weak, but overrated.

The Uatu example just shows that that particular feat (holding a Timeline) is not all that.

You threw a few of these,
if you continue,
I'll just cease from this could be cool debate. [/B]

Awesome job Mr M. how I missed the days when GS and MM had their debates, both brought great discussions to the forum without the verbal assaults they gave each other, now we have posters that don't say anything except disagree with sarcasm.

Toodle loo.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Because of ABC Logic. of course. 😄

Just like you can't argue against it cause you know its ABC logic despite calling it "common logic".

Can't accept it for what it is. 🙂

Actually I'm not sure who is being the most inlogical here you ore me. because you argument is based on ABC logic as well

Jean Phoenix > Rachel Phoenix > Starving Galactus = Normal Powerlevel Galactus.

but hey it's logical inlogical ABC logic.

It's exactly what was done in this case. You fail to accept it because you know you cannot argue against it.[/B]

I presented why it cannot be ABC logic you used in the spidey>Galactus ABC logic.

Boy its fun to be illogical. 🙂[/B]

yes it must be... but rather tiresome too

Originally posted by Creshosk
Because of ABC Logic. of course. 😄

Just like you can't argue against it cause you know its ABC logic despite calling it "common logic".

Can't accept it for what it is. 🙂

It's exactly what was done in this case. You fail to accept it because you know you cannot argue against it.

Boy its fun to be illogical. 🙂

Obviously because that's what you're doing. 🙂

I like mocking people's bad logic and you like contadicting yourself. I think we make a fine pair.

You contradict yourself, and I'll mock those contradictions. We can be a comedy duo like Abbot and costello. 😄

Originally posted by Utrigita
Actually I'm not sure who is being the most inlogical here you ore me. because you argument is based on ABC logic as well

Jean Phoenix > Rachel Phoenix > Starving Galactus = Normal Powerlevel Galactus.

but hey it's logical inlogical ABC logic.

I see you still don't comprehend what ABC logic is.

I

Originally posted by Utrigita
presented why it cannot be ABC logic you used in the spidey>Galactus ABC logic.

Originally posted by Utrigita
yes it must be... but rather tiresome too

Originally posted by spidey-dude
again with the abc logic BS

Of course its BS. That's the point.

Originally posted by unknowable
Awesome job Mr M. how I missed the days when GS and MM had their debates, both brought great discussions to the forum without the verbal assaults they gave each other, now we have posters that don't say anything except disagree with sarcasm.

Toodle loo.

That was a brilliant post that brought much to the discussion! durw00t

Originally posted by Creshosk
Who said that Galactus Starving = Galactus Normal?

I think you did friend.

I see you still don't comprehend what ABC logic is.[/B]

Actually I see that it is you how apparently cannot see the difference between Saying that Spidey > Galactus when spidey has no feats to support this while the Celestials have support to say that they > Goblin Force which defeated the Phoenix force and absorbed it energy thats the difference. 🙂 but hey Feats and statements are either Hyperbole ore Illogical right? Unless its support the phoenix 😛

INo, you said it isn't and then proceeded to use it again. 🙂[/B]

No actually you did 😉

You'd know since you're that way all the time. 😉 [/B]

Well I learn it from the best... you 😛

Looks like Mr. M. is dominating the debate once again.

Originally posted by Utrigita
I think you did friend.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Actually I see that it is you how apparently cannot see the difference between Saying that Spidey > Galactus when spidey has no feats to support this while the Celestials have support to say that they > Goblin Force which defeated the Phoenix force and absorbed it energy thats the difference. 🙂 but hey Feats and statements are either Hyperbole ore Illogical right? Unless its support the phoenix 😛

Naw, I'm saying its the putting her into the equation based off of the cube being and discardeing the context of the feats that makes it ABC logic.

Spider-man only beat hulk due to circumstance of specifics of the situation.

Originally posted by Utrigita
No actually you did 😉

Oh sorry, I forgot you aren't bright enough to pick up on the obvious.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Well I learn it from the best... you 😛

Originally posted by Kutulu
Looks like Mr. M. is dominating the debate once again.

I forget how stupid the populace tends to be. ermm

Originally posted by Kutulu
Looks like Mr. M. is dominating the debate once again.

i agree

Originally posted by Creshosk
durwank

I forget how stupid the populace tends to be. ermm

Stupid is as stupid does. So far I have yet to see you back up any of your side with scans or otherwise. The only thing I have seen you do is play word games and use circular logic. From a neutral perspective Mr. M. has clearly outmaneuvered you here.

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Originally posted by Mr Master
Phoenix is so overrated by some,

the only thing every fan has to die by is,

"Phoenix amputated/disconnected that Alternate Future Timeline"

"Phoenix destroyed an Alternate Universe in a 'What if' issue"

That's it, that's all Phoenix has done under her own power that's worth mentioning.

And yet,

POST-Retcon Beyonder gave Rachel the FULL power of the embodiment of the Phoenix Force:

(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook [B]2004 - Marvel Girl bio)

"Beyonder once hinted
that Rachel could potentially become equal in power to the previous Phoenix.

Indeed,
the Beyonder granted Rachel the Full power that the previous Phoenix had possessed"

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This is POST-Retcon Beyonder (Cube Being) getting the credit for this.

Heck, Cube Beings aren't even above Aspects of Eternity or even a single Celestial.

On Panel verification:

Beyonder gives Rachel the power:

Rachel becomes the Full embodiment of the Phoenix Force:

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So Eternity >>> Celestials >>> Cube Beings >>> Full Phoenix Force [/B]

i never knew cube beings are beyond the phoenix force this is new to me thanks for the update mr masters i like that you always add the scans to back you up

i think i recal 3 phoenix big G encounters and phoenix had the upper hand in all 3
phoenix for the win
though with prep time i can see galactus beating her

Originally posted by Smoki
i never knew cube beings are beyond the phoenix force this is new to me thanks for the update mr masters i like that you always add the scans to back you up

Yeah people have created universes using just a single cosmic cube.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Stupid is as stupid does. So far I have yet to see you back up any of your side with scans or otherwise. The only thing I have seen you do is play word games and use circular logic. From a neutral perspective Mr. M. has clearly outmaneuvered you here.

Its not circular logic. Its just plain logic.

Seriously, did you not notice all the contradictions in his arguments?

Rachel is the equivilent of The full force phoenix due to his argument using the hyperbolic speech of a nitwit. Yes, I just called the phoenix force a nitwit. It's not omniscent, in fact thinking doesn't seem to be its strong suit. You can identify with that.

Rachel certainly didn't gain any extra knowledge from the force, that or it didn't know about its own nature. Jean even had to remind it of the speech that it had used on Jean. Or did you not read endsong where Jean had to tell the Force that they were one?

You don't find that funny? That a host was telling the force that they were one as if it didn't know? Which it didn't at that point in time.

Next up after saying that Rachel was all that the force is, he says that the Beyonder gave Rachel the full power of the phoenix. In order for him to have done that that means that she DIDN'T have that. otherwise its like me saying that I'me giving you the power to breath. Oops, you already have that.

So either she already was everything the force was or she wasn't.

You don't see a contradiction there?

Originally posted by Smoki
i never knew cube beings are beyond the phoenix force this is new to me thanks for the update mr masters i like that you always add the scans to back you up

Cube beings are beyond the phoenix force because they gave to rachel what she already has? Or did she not have that?

And I can give a town the full amount of water that's in a damn, by blowing up the dam. Does that mean that I can stop the flood that I unleashed?

No. So yeah, just speculation AGAIN.. but go ahead and listen. Be gullible.

Originally posted by xjustice69x
i think i recal 3 phoenix big G encounters and phoenix had the upper hand in all 3
phoenix for the win
though with prep time i can see galactus beating her

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
I recall 2 times,and each time galactus was starving.