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Thrawn vs. Revan
I checked and didn't see a post on this, so here it is finally.
Grand Admiral Thrawn has his flagship, the Chimera, and commands four other Star Destroyers, all their TIE fighters and such.
Revan has his flagship, commanding four others like it, with an equal amount of the Sith Fighters.
No force powers (Battle meditation and such). No cheap tricks like cloaking, just flat out strategy and warfare. Who takes the cake??
Originally posted by Tortoise Herder
Oue, toughie.However, while I question any and all comparisons that rank one as superior to the other, I must say that Thrawn's firepower takes this. Leviathan-like battlewagons and outdated fighters are not gonna cut it barring a miracle.
And this from someone who is supposedly a Revan fanboy!
Ah. So you're telling me that acknowledging Revan might lose a match is grounds for us disregarding you as a "Revan Fanboy"? SW LegenD is the biggest KotoR-era and Revan fanboy I've ever encountered and even he has (grudgingly) acknowledged that the Sith Lord would lose on occasion.
So for your status: it's irrelevant. The fact that you consider question Thrawn's superiority over Revan is enough to make anyone hold disdain for you.
As for the fight: Thrawn. Curbstomp. The end.
No cheap trips like cloaking, you say, but instead just raw strategy? I would argue that the proper use of a cloaking field requires more strategy than typical battle tactics.
Not that it's necessary. ISD's outgun Leviathans by a landslide and Thrawn's tactical ingenuity is unrivaled. Score one for the blue man.
While I know and have no problem with thrawn winning and revan losing ,the only thing that has been bothering for me is what type of elite strategies either can come up with with 5 SDs apiece that the other can't realize.That isn't really alot of ships to work with.(im no strategy expert) Other than the basics of having a few attacking and others defending then maybe a surprise quick counter/surprise attack i can't really think of any.
Actually 5 apiece is a whole lot to work with, what with full TIE and Sith squadrons in each hanger bay, you're looking at one of the coolest battles ever. (Let's just hope there's no Noghri on Thrawn's ship...that part litteraly made me cry. I'm a Thrawn fanboy because of his uniqueness, in that he doesn't rule with brute strength and fear, but with wisdom and passion. Now if he were Emperor, there would've been no Star Wars, because the Rebels would've been wiped out within months.)
Yes, I mean after all he managed to defeat Palpatines Forces that was sent to defeat the 6 Jedi Master this ships was state of the art at that time, and with basically no knowlegde about there Weaknesses and Strenghts he still won, only one ship survived and that was because Thrawn wanted prisoners.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Yes, I mean after all he managed to defeat Palpatines Forces that was sent to defeat the 6 Jedi Master this ships was state of the art at that time, and with basically no knowlegde about there Weaknesses and Strenghts he still won, only one ship survived and that was because Thrawn wanted prisoners.
But you have to keep in mind that vast difference in tech. (4000 years) Im not sure even with his superior strategies he could overcome the tech. difference. Like he could launch a good attack that if he had his ships and revan also had the same type than Thrawn would win. But if with Revan's ships having superior shields and lasers he might be able to hold out long enough to launch a counter attack.
Originally posted by Darth Hord
But you have to keep in mind that vast difference in tech. (4000 years) Im not sure even with his superior strategies he could overcome the tech. difference. Like he could launch a good attack that if he had his ships and revan also had the same type than Thrawn would win. But if with Revan's ships having superior shields and lasers he might be able to hold out long enough to launch a counter attack.
How great a difference there is, I still think that Thrawn would be capable of defeating Revan how apparently from the way it sounded in the KOTOR prefered to use brute force to win.
Thrawn demonstrated in the battle with the Ships sent by the Trade Fedaration that he even against a greatly superior force was capable of defeating them with his full force (that was what 12 small ships) against the force sent by Sidious I think he should have a chance of winning.
And it was just ment as a little turn that would make the Battle a little more interesting to discuss IMO.
I would just like to notice that revan's strategies were only stated as brutal in KOTOR II. In the original KOTOR, even malachor's battle was diferent, in fact if you talk with canderous about that he speaks about something very diferent from the battle stated in KOTOR II.
Anyway, Thrawn beats Revan any day in my opinion.
Re: Thrawn vs. Revan
Originally posted by Orbius
I checked and didn't see a post on this, so here it is finally.
I've been on these forums for over two years and I'll be witness to the countless Revan vs Thrawn threads out there. Hell we even had a Revan vs Thrawn in a chess game... and no one would admit that I could have kicked both their assess.. chess club kicks ass.
Originally posted by Orbius
Grand Admiral Thrawn has his flagship, the Chimera, and commands four other Star Destroyers, all their TIE fighters and such.Revan has his flagship, commanding four others like it, with an equal amount of the Sith Fighters.
No force powers (Battle meditation and such). No cheap tricks like cloaking, just flat out strategy and warfare. Who takes the cake??
So you stick Thrawn with is far superior tech against Revan's 4,000 year old vessels? How the hell does that ever work? If you are going to pit the two against each other than even up the tech levels otherwise its a waste of a thread.
On another note I don't believe that Thrawn pwns Revan simply because Thrawn is Thrawn and Revan is Revan.
Am I saying that Thrawn would loose? No I am not, am I saying that Thrawn would automatically win because he's Thrawn? No, I'm saying that either commander has the potential to beat the other. Both are considered genius' on the field of battle and both have their share of accomplishments (granted Thrawn's are considerably better documented as virtue of him having some very badass books for source material).
We might as well start an argument over Alexander and Hannibal. Alexander was undefeated and is better known, Hannibal was a genius, but suffered defeats, but one has to put it into context. Hannibal was facing the disciplined legions of Rome, the soldiers that even today have a legendary reputation for being badass, Alexander was facing the levied troops of the Persian Satraps. Big difference (albeit I'm leaving out a shitload of other factors and by no means am I saying Hannibal is better than Alexander); however, I'm going to stop now before I get a debate reserved for the history forum started.
The point I'm trying to make, is the fact that in the overall context it is not fair to make blanket statements that Thrawn would win because he is Thrawn.
Now, in the context of this thread, Revan gets raped because he's using ancient ships and tech against a modern Imperial arsenal. Thrawn wouldn't even need to use tactics, he could just order his ships to fire and Revan would be shit out of luck, end of story.