That contradicts him dying millions of times before without that suit and his spirit didn't escape. So either his spirit can't escape his body or he doesn't have one.
If you don't know the context of the scan don't talk.
And no, it doesn't really contradict anything.
And isn't a spirit different than a soul?
In this case it's the same.
Originally posted by Erik-LensherrHow does that prove he has a soul? Wasn't he chained and everything after Radiant or whoeever killed him? How would they know if he had a soul or not or that he'd come back alive. Why couldn't it just be a custom because he was pure evil?
😆Woah .. and I thought Hulk haters were grasping at straws.
How does that prove he has a soul?
You mean besides the fact that it's supposdley that way to stop his spirit (soul) from escaping in the afterlife?
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Wasn't he chained and everything after Radiant or whoeever killed him?
And .. ?
How would they know if he had a soul or not or that he'd come back alive. Why couldn't it just be a custom because he was pure evil?
How would they know ? Your asking me how an incredibly advanced race with metahuman powers knows this ?
Wait .. I'll go ask them. 😐
Why wouldn't it be just a custom ? You mean besides the fact that the scan states that it was made so that his spirit (soul) wouldn't escape to the afterlife ?
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
If you don't know the context of the scan don't talk.And no, it doesn't really contradict anything.
In this case it's the same.
And to believe that there exists a case where a spirit is the same thing as a soul is just plain ignorance.
The distinction between soul and spirit became current in Judeo-Christian terminology. Unlike the concept of souls, which are by definition eternal and usually believed to preexist the body, a spirit develops and grows as an integral aspect of the living being.
Context Fontext. Context has nothing to do with contradiction nor ignorance.
If it doesn't contradict anything then why hasn't DD's spirit escaped into the afterlife the millions of times he was kill before that suit was ever put on him? And why does DD always continue to come back to life even after the suit when his supposedly spirit has escaped already (like in the beginning of H/P)?
What contradiction exactly ? Ignorance ? Funny.
Who says DD's spirit hasn't escaped into the afterlife every time he died and then returned when he was revived ?
You must have missed the question. Nobody asked what happens to Doomsday's soul when he dies. It was just asked if he has a soul at all, which the scan proves.
Ignorance ? Coming from you it's rather ironic.
And to believe that there exists a case where a spirit is the same thing as a soul is just plain ignorance.The distinction between soul and spirit became current in Judeo-Christian terminology. Unlike the concept of souls, which are by definition eternal and usually believed to preexist the body, a spirit develops and grows as an integral aspect of the living being.
Remember the fact that I said you must know the context in order to understand the scan ? This is one of those situations. Yet again, you define ignorance.
Is the word spirit mentioned in the same context with afterlife ? Yes. What goes in the afterlife after it dies in DC ? The soul.
You've got to have deduction capabilities to actually understand what the scan says which it seems you're lacking.
Originally posted by Horrificus
Destroyer could disintegrate him. Nothing left to revive.Graviton could spread out DD's molecules, and keep him in a cloud-like state.
Susan Richards could instantaneously divide his body into a bunch of disconnected parts, each in their own force bubble.
High Evolutionary could "devolve" DD.
None of those work.
Originally posted by tjcoadyThere's more than two, but Extant could accomplish said task, rather easily -- mainly due to the fact that he controls the very force we saw 'kill' H/P DD in the first place, [ie. Entropic waves].
so that's two characters who can beat H/P Doomsday. Extant, and, of course, the Quiz.
Originally posted by Galan007
There's more than two, but Extant could accomplish said task, rather easily -- mainly due to the fact that he controls the very force we saw 'kill' H/P DD in the first place, [ie. Entropic waves].
obviously there's more than two. I meant mentioned so far.
and my contribution beats him because Doomsday is not going to think of the power "ability to kill unkillable Kryptonian beasts" before she zaps him with it.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
What contradiction exactly ? Ignorance ? Funny.
Who says DD's spirit hasn't escaped into the afterlife every time he died and then returned when he was revived ?You must have missed the question. Nobody asked what happens to Doomsday's soul when he dies. It was just asked if he has a soul at all, which the scan proves.
Ignorance ? Coming from you it's rather ironic.
Remember the fact that I said you must know the context in order to understand the scan ? This is one of those situations. Yet again, you define ignorance.
Is the word spirit mentioned in the same context with afterlife ? Yes. What goes in the afterlife after it dies in DC ? The soul.
You've got to have deduction capabilities to actually understand what the scan says which it seems you're lacking.
If DD's spirit escaped into the afterlife and then returned then why would someone prevent it from leaving in the first place? Both the spirit and the soul can go into the afterlife. And again, context has nothing to do with the truth of things. It is important here to make the distinction between spirit and soul. This is because some entities in comics can capture the soul and we need to know for certain for debate. Now in Christianity, the belief is that one's soul can go to hell but their spirit dies. Or one's soul can go to heaven and their spirit lives with it. There are other several important distinctions between spirit and soul.
With that said, It is reasonable that the writers of that scan think that a spirit is the same as a soul (shame on them if that is the case). But it is not known for sure whether this is the case. And if they did, then the scan still doesn't prove that DD has a soul.
This is because the one's who suited DD in order to prevent his spirit from escaping probably didn't know if he had a spirit or not. They could have been doing this just in case. The scan only shows their intentions and not necessarily the full truth of things. For example, I can wrap a dead dog up in cloth to try to prevent his spirit from escaping. But he might not have a spirit. Yet a comic scan would say the same thing about what I did.
Originally posted by h1a8
If DD's spirit escaped into the afterlife and then returned then why would someone prevent it from leaving in the first place? Both the spirit and the soul can go into the afterlife. And again, context has nothing to do with the truth of things. It is important here to make the distinction between spirit and soul. This is because some entities in comics can capture the soul and we need to know for certain for debate. Now in Christianity, the belief is that one's soul can go to hell but their spirit dies. Or one's soul can go to heaven and their spirit lives with it. There are other several important distinctions between spirit and soul.With that said, It is reasonable that the writers of that scan think that a spirit is the same as a soul (shame on them if that is the case). But it is not known for sure whether this is the case. And if they did, then the scan still doesn't prove that DD has a soul.
and not necessarily the full truth of things. For example, I can wrap a dead dog up in cloth to try to prevent his spirit from escaping. But he might not have a spirit. Yet a comic scan would say the same thing about what I did. [/B]
This is because the one's who suited DD in order to prevent his spirit from escaping probably didn't know if he had a spirit or not. They could have been doing this just in case. The scan only shows their [B]intentions
What's the point in discussing whether DD's spirit (soul) escapes into the afterlife or not after he dies, when this is not the original question ? And I know all about the difference between spirit and soul but in comics in general, and in this example also, the writer reffers to them as being the same thing. So we are not talking religion's definition of spirit and soul, we are taking what's written in the comic where obviously, the 2 are the same.
If DD wouldn't have a soul then what would be the point of him being wrapped that way so that his soul wouldn't escape in the afterlife ? Do you have any evidence contradicting what the ones who wrapped him think ?
And why exactly wouldn't it have a soul really ? Because of its savegery and the fact that it's evil ? Especially considering that it's a form of life, so I don't see why it wouldn't have a soul.
