Who can straight - up defeat/kill H/P Doomsday?

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
What's the point in discussing whether DD's spirit (soul) escapes into the afterlife or not after he dies, when this is not the original question ? And I know all about the difference between spirit and soul but in comics in general, and in this example also, the writer reffers to them as being the same thing. So we are not talking religion's definition of spirit and soul, we are taking what's written in the comic where obviously, the 2 are the same.

The point is to show a contradiction thus rendering the evidence void.
You must prove that the writer refers to them as being the same thing.
There is 0 evidence of that being the case. And know that comic definitions are the same as real life ones, otherwise we wouldn't know what the hell they are talking about. It is the job of the writers to convey what is meant by the comic in our own language.

If DD wouldn't have a soul then what would be the point of him being wrapped that way so that his soul wouldn't escape in the afterlife ? Do you have any evidence contradicting what the ones who wrapped him think ?
And why exactly wouldn't it have a soul really ? Because of its savegery and the fact that it's evil ? Especially considering that it's a form of life, so I don't see why it wouldn't have a soul.

My friend, I was never saying that DD doesn't have a soul. So I have nothing to prove. The burden of proof is not on me. I was just saying that the scan doesn't prove that DD has a soul. This is because the scan only tells of the intentions of the ones who wrapped DD and not necessarily the truth of things and plus the scan uses "spirit" instead of "soul". So since it is possible that the writer knew the difference between the two when he wrote, then it has to be proven whether the writer thinks a spirit is the same as a soul. There is no proof available. Thus DD doesn't necessarily have a soul.

The point is to show a contradiction thus rendering the evidence void.
You must prove that the writer refers to them as being the same thing.
There is 0 evidence of that being the case. And know that comic definitions are the same as real life ones, otherwise we wouldn't know what the hell they are talking about. It is the job of the writers to convey what is meant by the comic in our own language.

Since the writer reffers to his spirit being stopped from escaping to the afterlife it's obvious that in this situation, soul and spirit are the same thing. Not to mention that I could point numerous examples proving that in many circumstances Soul = Spirit in comics but frankly, I'm not that interested in this subject to start pulling scans, especially since it's quite obvious that in the scan I just posted they are the same thing.

My friend, I was never saying that DD doesn't have a soul. So I have nothing to prove. The burden of proof is not on me. I was just saying that the scan doesn't prove that DD has a soul. This is because the scan only tells of the intentions of the ones who wrapped DD and not necessarily the truth of things and plus the scan uses "spirit" instead of "soul". So since it is possible that the writer knew the difference between the two when he wrote, then it has to be proven that this writer thinks a spirit is the same as a soul. There is no proof available. Thus DD doesn't necessarily have a soul.

It can be understood just by reading the scan that spirit means soul, so I don't really see what's the problem here. And why would they have any intention of wrapping him up and stop his soul from escaping if he doesn't have one ? Does that sound logical ? No.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
None of those work.

What happens if his entire body is disintegrated? Destroyer has been able to disintegrate Uru.

If Susan holds his parts in force bubbles, do the parts grow whole new DD's? Or, is it over?

High Evolutionary has been able to devolve foes before. Unless it has happened to DD before, why wouldn't it work?

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Since the writer reffers to his spirit being stopped from escaping to the afterlife it's obvious that in this situation, soul and spirit are the same thing. Not to mention that I could point numerous examples proving that in many circumstances Soul = Spirit in comics but frankly, I'm not that interested in this subject to start pulling scans, especially since it's quite obvious that in the scan I just posted they are the same thing.

It can be understood just by reading the scan that spirit means soul, so I don't really see what's the problem here. And why would they have any intention of wrapping him up and stop his soul from escaping if he doesn't have one ? Does that sound logical ? No.

You are giving evidence and that is reasonable. But evidence don't equal proof. Now I can give evidence for the contrary (I already did). But again that evidence is not proof. Now again, I said that both soul and spirit can go into the afterlife. So using the word 'afterlife' doesn't prove that one has a soul. All writers are different. You must prove whether that writer is using spirit=soul. Lastly, you didn't rebutt the strongest part of my argument, which is the fact that the scan only shows the intentions of those who wrapped DD and not the necessary truth of things. For it doesn't show the writer's belief but of those who wrapped DD (which can be wrong).

Originally posted by llagrok
Mangog, Kurse, Thor w/power gem and/or warrior madness.

I doubt it.

Seriously.

IMO, there is absolutely no non-reality warper or non-abtract being (other than Imperiex) that can kill H/P doomsday. In theory, if one could one-shotted DD then they can kill him, otherwise he evolves or kills you before you can. But the problem is: I don't see anyone one-shotting him. Sorry.

Originally posted by batdude123
I doubt it.

Seriously.

Yeah, I don't know what I was thinking.

S'okay.

Originally posted by h1a8
IMO, there is absolutely no non-reality warper or non-abtract being (other than Imperiex) that can kill H/P doomsday. In theory, if one could one-shotted DD then they can kill him, otherwise he evolves or kills you before you can. But the problem is: I don't see anyone one-shotting him. Sorry.

Not true. Once again:

Extant
The Quiz

Oh, and I hadn't thought about this, but the DC universe Echo could probably take him out too.

You just have to be creative.

Two H/P Doomsdays.

Originally posted by h1a8
You are giving evidence and that is reasonable. But evidence don't equal proof. Now I can give evidence for the contrary (I already did). But again that evidence is not proof. Now again, I said that both soul and spirit can go into the afterlife. So using the word 'afterlife' doesn't prove that one has a soul. All writers are different. You must prove whether that writer is using spirit=soul. Lastly, you didn't rebutt the strongest part of my argument, which is the fact that the scan only shows the intentions of those who wrapped DD and not the necessary truth of things. For it doesn't show the writer's belief but of those who wrapped DD (which can be wrong).

We are running in circles and since I've already presented my evidence and explinations and counter arguments, and frankly, I'm not that interested in the subject, I'm going to stop the discussion 🙂

Lobo could do it