Current Darkseid vs. Surtur

Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
As for Darkseid/Black Mary:

She blocked his blast, but it's not like he was trying to harm her. Kalibak and Orion have taken Darkseid's blasts with little damage when he was just trying to force them in line, which was his goal here. He even smiled when she blocked it as if to say "good job, kid" or something along those lines. Then he took a blast from her that landed solidly to his back, and responded with a stomp. While calmly saying he admires her spirit. After that the fight was interrupted and she took the time to escape.

It's a pretty good showing for her that she could block it even so, but hardly evidence that she's as or more powerful than DS. If anything, it appeared to me that DS looked better because it appeared that she was putting more effort into her attack than he did. It was too short to say one way or another though.

Two other things:

1. Black Mary seems to have different powers from regular Mary Marvel. I haven't been keeping up on comics recently except for Invincible. Can someone clue me in as to her showings?

2. It looks like Superman had another close, unconclusive fight with Orion in Superman Confidential#9. I think we can safely say that the writer of Superman Confidential thinks DS would've pimp-slapped just about any top tier hero like that.

Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
Two other things:

1. Black Mary seems to have different powers from regular Mary Marvel. I haven't been keeping up on comics recently except for Invincible. Can someone clue me in as to her showings?

2. It looks like Superman had another close, unconclusive fight with Orion in Superman Confidential#9. I think we can safely say that the writer of Superman Confidential thinks DS would've pimp-slapped just about any top tier hero like that.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes back in the day Ds was clearly above Superman but not nowadays. Superman can beat his ass from time to time nowadays.

we haven't seen them fight now a days. Not at least while DS has had his full power and not been weakened by a severe attack from highfather's staff.

Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
Two other things:

1. Black Mary seems to have different powers from regular Mary Marvel. I haven't been keeping up on comics recently except for Invincible. Can someone clue me in as to her showings?

2. It looks like Superman had another close, unconclusive fight with Orion in Superman Confidential#9. I think we can safely say that the writer of Superman Confidential thinks DS would've pimp-slapped just about any top tier hero like that.

Black mary is probably High end herald or trans lvl. She is so powerful that even clarion wanted just a portion of her power. And the she was basically laughing off an attack from Blue Devil's magic group.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
we haven't seen them fight now a days. Not at least while DS has had his full power and not been weakened by a severe attack from highfather's staff.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We have seen Ds say that he is a rival of his. Ds had his full power when they fought and Supes planted him onto the source wall.

Um, no. We saw DS say that Superman' physical might rival's his own. You do realize Superman is the strongest Top tier in comics right? he says nothing about over all power.

And DS didn't have full power when super's planet him on the source wall. What the hell? Can you read? DS blasted the shit out of himself and superman had a sun amp. You fail.

Quanchi, I know I've said it before but in the SAME comic where Darkseid acknowledges Superman as a physical rival, Superman and Orion are shown to be virtual equals and DS states they could tear each other apart.

When you look "back then" at Superman Confidential, you see Superman and Orion on the same level just like they were in DOTNG.

The only thing that's much different between the two showings is that Darkseid is apparently in the same neighborhood as the two of them in DOTNG, whereas in Superman Confidential he's portrayed as WAY above them physically. I doubt Darkseid has grown weaker over the years (in continuity) and we know Orion is at the same power level. I think it's clearly just two writers with different opinions of Darkseid's strength level, but to each his own.

I'm a mirror of Vally's opinion.

Darkseid is around Thanos level, but doesn't get the protection of Thanos.

Thanos is more physically powerful by a decent margin, but Darkseid can do more with his powers, should he use them.

Darkseid is to Thanos, what Martian Manhunter is to Superman, physically.

Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
Quanchi, I know I've said it before but in the SAME comic where Darkseid acknowledges Superman as a physical rival, Superman and Orion are shown to be virtual equals and DS states they could tear each other apart.

When you look "back then" at Superman Confidential, you see Superman and Orion on the same level just like they were in DOTNG.

The only thing that's much different between the two showings is that Darkseid is apparently in the same neighborhood as the two of them in DOTNG, whereas in Superman Confidential he's portrayed as WAY above them physically. I doubt Darkseid has grown weaker over the years (in continuity) and we know Orion is at the same power level. I think it's clearly just two writers with different opinions of Darkseid's strength level, but to each his own.

Superman confidentail was one of their first showings and since then Superman has done a lot better against Darkseid. I mean come on he lost to a bitchslap and years later made Darkseid tap out like a bich. He was humiliated beyond belief. He actually had to say stop your hurting me I cant take it basically.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Depends on what DS has in this fight. We really will just have to wait until the end of countdown and TONG to see exactly how powerful DS is.

Mary Marvel deflected his OE

I kind of agree with UniOmni. That's a good parrallel.

BTW, Thor has blocked blasts from Odin and Zeus before, both of whom appeared to be putting more effort into it than DS was with Black Mary. Not to say that Darkseid is one of them or that Black Mary can block energy as well as Thor; just putting it in perspective a little. I think this is getting overblown. If he'd been trying to hurt her I would understand the fuss.

Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
I kind of agree with UniOmni. That's a good parrallel.

BTW, Thor has blocked blasts from Odin and Zeus before, both of whom appeared to be putting more effort into it than DS was with Black Mary. Not to say that Darkseid is one of them or that Black Mary can block energy as well as Thor; just putting it in perspective a little. I think this is getting overblown. If he'd been trying to hurt her I would understand the fuss.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So he wasnt trying to hurt her. So when it hit her it was supposed to feel good and cause euphoria?

Originally posted by quanchi112
So he wasnt trying to hurt her. So when it hit her it was supposed to feel good and cause euphoria?

Why in the hell would he want his new accolyte hurt?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Why in the hell would he want his new accolyte hurt?

Owned via Quanchi.

Originally posted by Bransolute
Why in the hell would he open fire on her?

Testing her? He sure as hell smiles when she blocks this blast.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Why in the hell would he want his new accolyte hurt?

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was engaging her and she just deflected his attack. Wasnt the first time and wont be the last.

Silly kid. He was testing her. And then he was about to beat her into submission like he did eclipso before Desaad ruined it for him. Mary knew better, She RAN.