Originally posted by Xplosive
Yes, Mr Master said it's a PIS, but when you say that Xorn what did to Phoenix Force or Shiar laser to Phoenix Force, and when you say, that is a PIS, he doesn't say it's a PIS, but when you say for LT, it's a PIS.Anyway, Scathan is not above Living Tribunal, but the fact remains, that in that story, Scathan seemed to be the most powerful being.
eh people like to pick and choose what they consider pis and what they dont.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Yes, Mr Master said it's a PIS, but when you say that Xorn what did to Phoenix Force or Shiar laser to Phoenix Force, and when you say, that is a PIS, he doesn't say it's a PIS, but when you say for LT, it's a PIS.
🤨 this doesn't make any sense Xplosive.
Anyway, Scathan is not above Living Tribunal, but the fact remains, that in that story, Scathan seemed to be the most powerful being.
agreed
Originally posted by Terryc250
Precon Molecule Man, the brothers
The Brothers is two megaverses created by LT I fail to see how they are more powerful then him unless ofcause it is Pre Retcon Brothers.
And then we have like what... Pre-retcon Beyonder/MM/Brothers thats what you have, that is above LT notice all is Pre retcon.
Protege still rocked the abstracts, and Scathan still squashed Protege like a bug [/B]
Oh you mean putting a bag over the head of a Omniscient being and thus blinding him, if by that you mean squased like a bug then sure.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Yes, Mr Master said it's a PIS, but when you say that Xorn what did to Phoenix Force or Shiar laser to Phoenix Force, and when you say, that is a PIS, he doesn't say it's a PIS, but when you say for LT, it's a PIS.
What the heck does Phoenix have to do with this thread?
But to entertain your personal remark,
Phoenix has been pwnd plenty of times on panel.
While LT has never been pwnd,
other than Classic Beyonder/MM. (but they don't exist anymore)
The Brothers were Retconned 3 Months after their dayview, 😂
so they shouldn't even count.
LT is stated Many times to be the most powerful entity in Marvel beneath Toaa.
(On Panel and in BioS)
Celestial have ALWAYS been beneath the LT, that's why it's PIS!
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Since you brought it up though,
As far as the Xorn incident is concerned:
On Panel:
Beast remembers: (in ANOTHER arc)
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Bio:
(From the Official Marvel Universe Handbook 2005)
"Jean Grey was Killed by an Electromagnetic Pulse,
this shattered the Force into Billions of PIECES"
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Unlike the LT/Scathan PIS that was limited to one issue and never referenced again.
This incident involving Xorn & the Phoenix Force
was actually recalled (in yet ANOTHER arc)
by the embodiment of the Phoenix Force itself in "Endsong"
"I thought I was Dead, in a Billion Billion PIECES"
Ouch.
Originally posted by Mr Master
What the heck does Phoenix have to do with this thread?But to entertain your personal remark,
Phoenix has been pwnd plenty of times on panel.
While LT has never been pwnd,
other than Classic Beyonder/MM. (but they don't exist anymore)
The Brothers were Retconned 3 Months after their dayview, 😂
so they shouldn't even count.LT is stated Many times to be the most powerful entity in Marvel beneath Toaa.
(On Panel and in BioS)Celestial have ALWAYS been beneath the LT, that's why it's PIS!
..........................................................................................Since you brought it up though,
As far as the [B]Xorn
incident is concerned:On Panel:
Beast remembers: (in ANOTHER arc)
......................................................................................Bio:
(From the Official Marvel Universe Handbook 2005)
"Jean Grey was Killed by an Electromagnetic Pulse,
this shattered the Force into Billions of PIECES"
......................................................................................Unlike the LT/Scathan PIS that was limited to one issue and never referenced again.
This incident involving Xorn & the Phoenix Force
was actually recalled (in yet ANOTHER arc)
by the embodiment of the Phoenix Force itself in "Endsong"
"I thought I was Dead, in a Billion Billion PIECES"Ouch. [/B]
Does your hatred for the phoenix blind you to the participants in the match, if you look it has phoenix in the thread
Btw team wins
Originally posted by starlock
Does your hatred for the phoenix blind you to
Meaningless waffle.
Originally posted by starlock
the participants in the match,
if you look it has phoenix in the thread
Oh my, something of significance,
thanx for the heads up,
I missed it because X threw me off my zone by attacking me personally,
sortalike what you do all the time, only you're a Troll,
while I don't necessarily consider X one, he just genuinely loves Phoenix.
Originally posted by starlock
Btw team wins
If it's Scathan from GOTG #50,
then Scathan wins in a stomp.
If it's Scathan, as we know Celestials,
then the Team wins in a stomp.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Yes, Mr Master said it's a PIS, but when you say that Xorn what did to Phoenix Force or Shiar laser to Phoenix Force, and when you say, that is a PIS, he doesn't say it's a PIS, but when you say for LT, it's a PIS.
It's PIS in both cases. Xorn was decapitated by Wolverine.
Now is Wolverine>>Phoenix Force?????? ❌
Now that I think about it it's now Wolverine/admantium>>>>>>Xorn and Phoenix Force. 🙄
Originally posted by Sundipped
It's PIS in both cases.
Xorn was decapitated by Wolverine.
Now is Wolverine>>Phoenix Force??????
Actually, Xorn not only allowed that, but literally asked for it:
"Give me Death ... make me immortal"
So Wolvy obliged:
Originally posted by Sundipped
Now that I think about it it's now Wolverine/admantium>>>>>>Xorn and Phoenix Force. [/B]
With the added detail this sarcasm doesn't really fit.
Originally posted by Terryc250
I dont get this.. when has Scathan ever been "as we know Celestials" all Celestials have different ranges of powers
Even the mightiest known Celestial (according to Marvel History) is below Eternity.
Below Eternity in power & status.
Who's been known as the mightiest single Celestial before & after the Scathan scandal?
Tiamut. (I think it was expressed in 2007 ... right guy222?)
Taimut needed to use an Alternate Galactus to try and destroy a Universe.
Which means, that's a HUGE gap, between Tiamut (not even a Universal destroyer)
to Scathan, who's portrayed as apparently = or greater than LT.
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IMO, though this is not conclusive,
Scathan was operating under the direct off-panel authority of Toaa in that single arc.
It's the only thing that makes sense if we're going to consider it.
Otherwise it's the biggest cosmological PIS in Marvel,
and even more insulting because Marvel acknowledges it.
Originally posted by Galan007
When was it stated the Black Celestial, and Tiamut were one in the same?Or are you talking about another instance?
Taimut is the Dreaming Celestial that became the Black Celestial,
in that FF arc.
Same cat that created the Deviants,
same cat who had his power tapped by Gauhr.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Even the mightiest known Celestial (according to Marvel History) is below Eternity.
Below Eternity in power & status.Who's been known as the mightiest single Celestial before & after the Scathan scandal?
Tiamut. (I think it was expressed in 2007 ... right guy222?)
Taimut needed to use an Alternate Galactus to try and destroy a Universe.
Which means, that's a HUGE gap, between Tiamut (not even a Universal destroyer)
to Scathan, who's portrayed as apparently = or greater than LT.
.............................................................................IMO, though this is not conclusive,
Scathan was operating under the direct off-panel authority of Toaa in that single arc.
It's the only thing that makes sense if we're going to consider it.
Otherwise it's the biggest cosmological PIS in Marvel,
and even more insulting because Marvel acknowledges it.
I'm pretty sure Scathan existed way after Tiamut, that would make alot more sense, we still dont know Scathan's background and how he achieved his power anyway
