Scathan vs Galactus, Eternity, Infinity, Phoenix Force, and Uatu

Originally posted by Xplosive
It's still a PIS in my and many (probably majority) eyes.

Cool.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Also what here happened is mentioned in Living Tribunal BIO.

That's true,
which is why I relunctantly accepted it with a bitter taste in my mouth.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Indeed. It could be true, but it's not an actual feat. Anyway, it's ok.

Cool.

Originally posted by Xplosive
It seemed like they were equal in power.

Correct.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Protege was able to actually absorb LT power.

Actually Protege copied LT's power,
LT still had his power though.

Originally posted by Xplosive
I don't like what happened, but it did happen.

I still give LT easily above any Celestial, it's not even comparable.

👆

I'm going to read every issue after the Scathan scandal,
see if I find anything I've missed in the past in the GOTG run. (only 12 issues)

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually Protege copied LT's power,
LT still had his power though.

I'm going to read every issue after the Scathan scandal,
see if I find anything I've missed in the past in the GOTG run. (only 12 issues)

Yes, I meant he had copied them.

Only what happened with Scathan would be logically explained TOAA himself interved and empowered Scathan. Because I don't see any Celestial even comparable to LT.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually, Xorn not only allowed that, but literally asked for it:

"Give me Death ... make me immortal"

Still doesn't change the fact that it's still PIS. PF>>>Xorn.
PF>>>>>"so called magnetic pulse". Should have/could have been absorbed.

So Wolvy obliged:

With the added detail this sarcasm doesn't really fit. [/B]

Why not? He killed em both. 🙂 Admantium>>>>>PF and Xorn. 😆
But really PF has the ability to transmute both into rubber dolls. 😛

was it not an emp? and arent emps harmless to organics?

Originally posted by Sundipped
Still doesn't change the fact that it's still PIS. PF>>>Xorn.

Originally posted by Mr Master
PIS is something that usualy takes place in one title issue or arc,
and is overlooked or ignored by other titles and/or said title where it originated.

The incident with Xorn & Phoenix,

Took place in "New X-Men"
was reference in memory by Beast in "X-Factor"
was confirmed to have happened in the Phoenix' Force's Official Marvel "Bio,"
and was again referenced in memory by the Phoenix Force itself in "Endsong."

Originally posted by Sundipped
PF>>>>>"so called magnetic pulse".
Should have/could have been absorbed.

Not according to several On Panel accounts across separate titles,
and the Phoenix's own Official bio.

Had the PF and Xorn battled,
I'd give the PF the win.
But I guess what that scenerio represents is,
if Xorn can get in a hit on a mortal Avatar, Xorn wins.
(and the Force is evidently affected as well)

(just sayin, based off All that evidence)

Originally posted by Sundipped
Why not? He killed em both.

They both allowed him to do so.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Admantium>>>>>PF and Xorn.

If they allow it, as demonstrated On Panel,
I agree.

Originally posted by Sundipped
But really PF has the ability to transmute both into rubber dolls.

Perhaps,
but it didn't stop Xorn from exploding the Phoenix Force itself into Billions of pieces.

And the Phoenix Force itself acknowledged this in a separate arc:

"I thought I was Dead, in a Billion Billion PIECES"

Originally posted by Mr Master

Not according to several On Panel accounts across separate titles,
and the Phoenix's own Official bio.

Had the PF and Xorn battled,
I'd give the PF the win.
But I guess what that scenerio represents is,
if Xorn can get in a hit on a mortal Avatar, Xorn wins.
(and the Force is evidently affected as well)

(just sayin, based off All that evidence)

They both allowed him to do so.

I'll give Xorn the win (albeit it was a sneaky move) and just say that the avatar can be harmed if initial defenses aren't up. Other avatars have blocked attacks from Galactus and have the ability to consume suns with no ill effects at all. Just seemd to easy for Xorn.

[QUOTE]If they allow it, as demonstrated On Panel,
I agree.

I don't. Horrible writing also exists.

Perhaps,
but it didn't stop Xorn from exploding the Phoenix Force itself into Billions of pieces.

That's the defensive lapse I was talking about.

And the Phoenix Force itself acknowledged this in a separate arc:

"I thought I was Dead, in a Billion Billion PIECES"

I don't deny that it happened, just that it shouldn't have happened. At least not that easily.

Theres no was PIS can amp up someones power dramatically THAT much, even without PIS, Scathan must be above eternity,galactus,etc.. we dont know Scathan's background and how he achieved those powers anyway, there is probably a story behind it all.

When the 6th Celestial Host arrives, maybe Scathan will be among the Celestials

^ Doubt it, i don't think Scathan is around yet, if Tiamut is there

It be nice to see Tiamut with the Host

I would conclude the Xorn vs. Phoenix match as PISS. Your a quote on qoute “Cosmic Characters”, that is introduced taking shots from more powerful characters (Firelord anyone?). With an arsenal of abilities, that no mere mutant should be able to defend from. Take it one step farther, you even see the Phoenix character survive destruction of a solar system at ground zero. Look at the plot, you have a character that would degrade any plot revolving X-Men or just about any threat related to earth. With much hype, and claims forging the Phoenix Force (many from respectable characters). Its so obvious that the page itself, wants to reach out and slap you in the face. To me, it looks like the writers have something cooking of Jean and the Phoenix force. But wanted to trend new waters, so why not set her aside for future use. Thus end any real opposition that would end the arc prematurely. House of M, Deadly Genesis, World War Hulk…if the Phoenix would have bin fully operational. Don’t you think the plot would have diverge, from the actions and consequences set forth?

I blame the marvel writers, the Phoenix character is a mess. It seem to be the culmination of brain storming from several members. Add on out right authority to change the mythos, with out putting an ounce of thought or back ground check of the original intention..well that’s what really kills the character.

Peace out - Id