Originally posted by T.MYou guys are talking about a name of a terrorist group. Let me recap the conversation so far.
What joke?
You: "Anyone noticed the name of the terrorist organisation"
AC: "Sure did, that name"
You: "'tis a name alright, that name, quite nameful"
I can only assume that AC's reply will be something along the lines of "Yeah, it sure has a name, that I noticed, the name I mean, cool that we both noticed a name".
Anyways, I think what I guess I am trying to say is, what is special about the name and what is that name?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So why was it beyond you, an adult man, to just move on with life? What did you hope to gain by carrying a life-long personal hate vendetta against Marvel? How do you see that as anything but sad? Why not just ignore them completely?
That's not a vendetta...I don't think you even know the term. Not even close to my case. How can I a comic book geek (me) ignore them? No matter what comic book subject I move to...those characters will be there. You can't forget about them. You can choose to "separate" yourself from them. Which is what I've done.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No they can't, some writers maybe, but not the creator. They can think they can, but that's called being pretentious and moronic.
The creator can only give you the basic premise of the character. If it wasn't for the fans (not the fanboys) the character wouldn't evolve. What's happening in comic books these days is exactly what I object to...allowing the fanboys (not the fans) to help evolve the character. See, WWH for more info.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If you would walk up to Stan Lee and say "I know more about the characters you made than you do.", you'd be an idiot. It's like when Jodie Foster refused to play Clarice Starling in Hannibal because she claimed Clarice wouldn't act the way she did. Thomas Harris, the writer and creator said "Yes, she would, because she's my creation. She would, and will act, however I say she will.". That's how it goes. Fact.
I could walk up to a someone like George Lucas and tell him I know more about the EU than he does. I happen to know SW fans who have read nearly all the books, games, comic books, and could teach Lucas a lesson about SW. Creators don't keep up with all the changes done to their creations. Not anymore...and once a creator dies, such as Bob Kane and Jack Kirby, it's the fans who carry the character on. Creators only sign the rights and want their share of the profit! I've school you on this before! The ONLY creator I've seen who keeps his works to himself is George Romero. Despite my GREAT dislike of his recent work. I have a ton of respect for the man. He at least keeps track of his work.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You just happen to have a delusional sense of entitlement, which I find hilarious. The most you are entitled to is critique the comics. You're not "arrogant", you're just anal and delusional when it comes to what you feel you are entitled to, and what is a sensible reaction to a company not catering to your likings anymore. Rather than just stop buying the comics and watching the movies, and moving on, you continue to. Just so you can whine. THAT'S worse than being a fanboy, or at least as bad. That's like people who watch violent movies then moan about the violence.
"I'm only entitled to critique"
...
Where you even paying attention? I said that earlier! I can critique and more?
Your point?
Your latter comments are useless and pointless. There is NOTHING more worse than a Fanboy! Case Closed!
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Wait, I just re-read that quote. How can a fan know a character longer than the creator? "I have JUST created Spider-Man!", "I've known him longer.". Explain this.
See above where I mention Lucas.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So is carrying a vendetta toward a comics company for more than a decade, that's truly sad. That's worse than being a fanboy, because at the very least they are interested. "I don't like Marvel, or want anything to do with them, but I'll spend the next 12 years slagging them off and directing hatred toward them.". Yes, that's clearly much better. It's not even like you are paying money out of objective interest, then coincidentally not liking what you've paid for. You are paying to *****, and that is ridiculous.
Again with the word vendetta...and again with the comment of worse than a fanboy. Where you going with that?
I'm paying to ***** and moan? Oh, I'm sorry...am suppose to like it? WTF is wrong with YOU? That's exactly how fanboys react! I'm paying to be please and entertain...I don't get my money's worth...why should I praise it? Answer...why should I praise something I don't like only because you like it?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Plus, I'd honestly love to see you act like you aren't a Batman fanboy. You've lapped up EVERY single movie they've ever put out and said it was good.So please, counter argue that.
-AC
And the award for "Not Paying attention to early discussions" goes to AC!
Come right in and claim your price!
When did I ever said that Batman and Robin are good? They're GARBAGE, THEY SUCK, THEY SHOULD LYNCH THEM! Blah, blah, blah,
That it's true. I've acknowledge that before....I've also acknowledge that despite their terrible representation...they still appeal to me.
But just because they appeal to me....I'm not going to say those films are good or great...never! You other hand, despite the garbage that Ang Lee's Hulk film was...you make up excuses that it's a good film.
*Stamps huge "FAIL" on your forehead*
Once again! A.C. got school!
I wasn't suprised when I saw this. I expected a good fun yarn and felt pretty much assured as soon as Downey Jr. uttered his first syllable that this was what I was going to get. I admire Marvel's verve for casting Downey Jr. and he just hits the nail on the head. I hope the sequel(s) are as good as teased, even given the underwritten role of Jim Rhodes, the role of S.H.I.E.L.D and problems with alchoholism that I would consider brave territory for Marvel.
But the film is a double-edged sword. Jeff Bridges was unusually flat. There isn't all that amount of 'oomph' to the action scenes and never live up to the well executed character scenes. Like quite alot of the superhero movies, the last act just runs out of steam and no matter whatever set piece, technological bravado or CGI wonder they use, it usually leaves an unsatisfying taste as the credits roll. It doesn't change the formula, but its a slick move by Marvel that really might have fallen flat on its head. The sequels have a good platform to build on and Downey Jr. is again fantastic.
Still, no way is this going to challenge the crown that will be held by either Indiana Jones, The Dark Knight or Hellboy II. Or even Hancock, purely because of Jason Bateman.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
That's not a vendetta...I don't think you even know the term. Not even close to my case. How can I a comic book geek (me) ignore them? No matter what comic book subject I move to...those characters will be there. You can't forget about them. You can choose to "separate" yourself from them. Which is what I've done.
Firstly, then why did you correct me when I said you are not like the people who harbour vendettas?
Not entirely (At all) true. You dislike Marvel and their characters, or what they are doing/have done with them, so you then disassociate yourself with Marvel. You won't, then, pick up a Batman comic and go "Oh for...what's Captain America doing there? Following me everywhere.".
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
The creator can only give you the basic premise of the character. If it wasn't for the fans (not the fanboys) the character wouldn't evolve. What's happening in comic books these days is exactly what I object to...allowing the fanboys (not the fans) to help evolve the character. See, WWH for more info.
No, he can give you the character's traits, blood type and favourite cereal if they want to. They can decide whatever they wish about the character. Different writers come along and change the character as they see fit, but if the creator came back and said "No, he's not like that.", then he is correct.
I wasn't the biggest fan of World War Hulk, but Hulk (Like many characters) has been a victim of fanboys not liking how powerful he is. You could factually argue that he has been constantly subdued over the years because people keep moaning, where as jobbers like Iceman are made extremely powerful. Hulk's tagline has always been "The Strongest One There Is!", so why is it a stretch to make him stronger than anyone else? That's what a lot of people have issues with regarding World War Hulk. Though, I notice you read it. Way to give time to something you dislike and can't stand. If you didn't read it, you can't really comment on it, cos you're just getting hearsay.
As Marvel continue to overpower their characters, much like D.C. has done forever, then the one who is the strongest will obviously get stronger. It's not fanboys, fanboys aren't writing the comics.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I could walk up to a someone like George Lucas and tell him I know more about the EU than he does. I happen to know SW fans who have read nearly all the books, games, comic books, and could teach Lucas a lesson about SW. Creators don't keep up with all the changes done to their creations. Not anymore...and once a creator dies, such as Bob Kane and Jack Kirby, it's the fans who carry the character on. Creators only sign the rights and want their share of the profit! I've school you on this before! The ONLY creator I've seen who keeps his works to himself is George Romero. Despite my GREAT dislike of his recent work. I have a ton of respect for the man. He at least keeps track of his work.
The E.U. isn't Lucas' creation, it's someone else's creation. You couldn't walk up to Lucas and say you know more about the entire set of films he has created and worked on, or characters he has created, because those are his. Stuff he didn't create isn't applicable.
We aren't talking about being more up to date with alterations to a character, we're talking about your very silly statement that a fan can ever know more than the creator.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Where you even paying attention? I said that earlier! I can critique and more?
Where? Were.
Secondly, yes, I was. Were you? After all, this stemmed from you knee-jerking to a reply and completely misinterpreting it. As Bardock pointed out, you don't get anything from attacking them, I don't get anything from defending them where I feel they should be. This all began because you were acting like they are indebted to you. YOU left THEIR fanbase.
Why act like they owe you anything? "It doesn't make up for the garbage they've made before.". They garbage you paid to see, and therefore are helping them make in future, should they do it? Marvel just fund the movies, they aren't making them. They fund them in hopes it will be good, it's not their fault it isn't. Blame the people who work on the movies, not the people who, like us, just want them to be good.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Your point?Your latter comments are useless and pointless. There is NOTHING more worse than a Fanboy! Case Closed!
There is, actually. People like you who pay to see shit they "know" they'll hate. Your actions suggest you are not remaining objective and then forming an opinion, they suggest you have decided, but pay to see shit you know you won't like. Paying to moan is much worse than paying to praise, much worse than being a fanboy.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
See above where I mention Lucas.
If you write a story, and I write a spin-off. I know more about the spin-off than you, cos you didn't create it. I don't know more about your story. Silly point.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Again with the word vendetta...and again with the comment of worse than a fanboy. Where you going with that?
You replied to me, correcting me, when I suggested your comments and opinions were not as bad because you are NOT persuing a vendetta or grudge against a company for many years, unlike some. If you aren't doing that, why correct me, only to say "I'm not."?
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I'm paying to ***** and moan? Oh, I'm sorry...am suppose to like it? WTF is wrong with YOU? That's exactly how fanboys react! I'm paying to be please and entertain...I don't get my money's worth...why should I praise it? Answer...why should I praise something I don't like only because you like it?
Oh, I was waiting for the trademark WrathfulDwarf "Read something that isn't there and say he said it." technique. Never did I say you have to praise anything, especially because me OR anyone else likes it.
I said before, if you could read it, that you give off the impression that you are never objective. You make up your mind first, and then pay to see a movie you've decided you won't like. That is idiotic and far worse than anything ANY fanboy could ever do, if that is what you're doing.
Example: you're going to pay to see The Incredible Hulk aren't you? You have clearly made your mind up, though. You will head into that cinema ready to tear it apart. Rather than remaining entirely objective and then letting it give you whatever opinion it will give you, good or bad.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
And the award for "Not Paying attention to early discussions" goes to AC!
"You don't have to attack them, what are you gaining from it?", "Yes I can! I have the right!". Mhm.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Come right in and claim your price!
£10. Oh, PRIZE? Thought you said price, cos you did.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
When did I ever said that Batman and Robin are good? They're GARBAGE, THEY SUCK, THEY SHOULD LYNCH THEM! Blah, blah, blah,
And the award for not paying attention to earlier discussions when he corrected me for assuming he didn't like those movies goes to? Yes, you. You said you liked them in an earlier discussion.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
That it's true. I've acknowledge that before....I've also acknowledge that despite their terrible representation...they still appeal to me.
I'll handle this claim soon.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
But just because they appeal to me....I'm not going to say those films are good or great...never! You other hand, despite the garbage that Ang Lee's Hulk film was...you make up excuses that it's a good film.
You have said you enjoyed them. To say "I enjoy it, but I don't think it's good." is entirely retarded and non-sensical, plus it's a copout. If you enjoyed it, you inherently think it's good. Unless you are fanboyistic enough (Oh the comedy) to like something you know is shit.
So, Ang Lee's Hulk was factually garbage was it? I'm not making up excuses that it's a good film, I enjoyed it, I think it was "good", but had plently of flaws. I'm acknowledging both, you're acknowledging the side that appeals to your opinion most, and that's what fanboys do.
Excuses would imply I thought it was shit and wanted to pretend it was good. That's not true, that's just what you've convinced yourself. So all you can really say is that you disagree with my personal taste, which is what this comes down to. I question yours for liking Snakes on a Plane and Batman & Robin, but there we go.
You actually do try to find excuses for enjoying Batman & Robin, Batman Forever etc. You say "I enjoyed them, I liked them...OH, but they are poor. I'm saying that cos that's what I should say, liked them, though.". You liked them, you thought they were good, but you conform to what everybody else thinks you should think, to try to save credibility as a Batman fan. You clearly thought they were good movies, just not good Batman movies. You didn't actually think they were bad movies...and still liked them. It defies logic.
-AC
Originally posted by MairuzuCan't be worse.
Really? I thought it was a bit interesting...2 looks like it might be better
I think it was interesting for a few minutes. The intro was a bit lame, then they showed Hellboy, it was like "Well, he looks kinda cool", then stuff happened, then I realized that it was total shit, then I was sad.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Firstly, then why did you correct me when I said you are not like the people who harbour vendettas?Not entirely (At all) true. You dislike Marvel and their characters, or what they are doing/have done with them, so you then disassociate yourself with Marvel. You won't, then, pick up a Batman comic and go "Oh for...what's Captain America doing there? Following me everywhere.".
I dislike Marvel and their characters? Oh, you really haven't been attention OR you just trying to twist my words. As I said before I like the characters...I don't like how the characters are been written. Of course you have issues with me. You're trying to portrait me as a bad guy for not liking what you like. At least I have common sense when I see something I don't like.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, he can give you the character's traits, blood type and favourite cereal if they want to. They can decide whatever they wish about the character. Different writers come along and change the character as they see fit, but if the creator came back and said "No, he's not like that.", then he is correct.
As they see fit? In a perfect world yeah, in the world of fanboys...NO!
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I wasn't the biggest fan of World War Hulk, but Hulk (Like many characters) has been a victim of fanboys not liking how powerful he is. You could factually argue that he has been constantly subdued over the years because people keep moaning, where as jobbers like Iceman are made extremely powerful. Hulk's tagline has always been "The Strongest One There Is!", so why is it a stretch to make him stronger than anyone else? That's what a lot of people have issues with regarding World War Hulk. Though, I notice you read it. Way to give time to something you dislike and can't stand. If you didn't read it, you can't really comment on it, cos you're just getting hearsay.
What a stupid remark! Hulk a victim of fanboys who don't like him. Let's turn the wheel on it's proper revolution. Hulk is the victim of fanboys wanting him more powerful than he was intended to be. Which is OUT OF CHARACTER! Know what that means? That means the character is getting into a mess. Don't worry it will hit ya one day and you'll say...."oh, yeah! that's what WD meant"
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The E.U. isn't Lucas' creation, it's someone else's creation. You couldn't walk up to Lucas and say you know more about the entire set of films he has created and worked on, or characters he has created, because those are his. Stuff he didn't create isn't applicable.
The EU is indeed a Lucas creation taken by the fans. It's very roots come from Lucas if it wasn't his...what's with the Lucas Arts logo? Lame AC. you roll down the hill in a box.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
we're talking about your very silly statement that a fan can ever know more than the creator.
Bob Kane died in 1998. He created Batman. I'm still alive and happen to know the history as well as the present and even future of Batman. So A fan knows more than the creator indeed.
Argue that point.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Secondly, yes, I was. Were you? After all, this stemmed from you knee-jerking to a reply and completely misinterpreting it. As Bardock pointed out, you don't get anything from attacking them, I don't get anything from defending them where I feel they should be. This all began because you were acting like they are indebted to you. YOU left THEIR fan base.
You don't get anything by defending them. Good, why are you arguing then? I left the fan base...and? I'm suppose to leave and say "you guys are doing a great job in ruining the character! props to you!"
Take off those the fanboy goggles already.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Marvel just fund the movies, they aren't making them. They fund them in hopes it will be good, it's not their fault it isn't. Blame the people who work on the movies, not the people who, like us, just want them to be good.
Now you're defending them! Indeed you are part or problem by supporting them. You're like a scientologist. No, more like a cult member...."don't blame them...blame something else" This is known as the "Sony Fanboy Syndrome" Except in your case is the Marvel one.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
There is, actually. People like you who pay to see shit they "know" they'll hate. Your actions suggest you are not remaining objective and then forming an opinion, they suggest you have decided, but pay to see shit you know you won't like. Paying to moan is much worse than paying to praise, much worse than being a fanboy.
I pay to hate...uh-huh...how about pay to be entertain? Ever had that thought? No, of course you don't. You pay and say "no matter how shit this is I'm going LOVE IT!"
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If you write a story, and I write a spin-off. I know more about the spin-off than you, cos you didn't create it. I don't know more about your story. Silly point.
You could do that...or you could the right thing...which is get the right information and background of the character and take it from there. But in your case is something like this:
"I DON'T CARE HOW POWERFUL THE WATCH IS! I'M GOING TO MAKE HULK POWERFUL ENOUGH TO K.O. HIM"
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You replied to me, correcting me, when I suggested your comments and opinions were not as bad because you are NOT persuing a vendetta or grudge against a company for many years, unlike some. If you aren't doing that, why correct me, only to say "I'm not."?
Liar! Liar, liar pants on fire! You accuse me of personal vendettas.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Oh, I was waiting for the trademark WrathfulDwarf "Read something that isn't there and say he said it." technique. Never did I say you have to praise anything, especially because me OR anyone else likes it.
Oh, I'm not waiting for anything. I already know your using your traditional essay posts with tons of babble to make yourself look eloquent.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I said before, if you could read it, that you give off the impression that you are never objective. You make up your mind first, and then pay to see a movie you've decided you won't like. That is idiotic and far worse than anything ANY fanboy could ever do, if that is what you're doing.
"If" I see a "if in your sentence there...so you're assuming that I'm doing that....in your typical manners that "if" is a fact.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Example: you're going to pay to see The Incredible Hulk aren't you? You have clearly made your mind up, though. You will head into that cinema ready to tear it apart. Rather than remaining entirely objective and then letting it give you whatever opinion it will give you, good or bad.
Oh, so you assume I'm going to go see the Hulk and then bash it. Whereas you are going to go see it and praise it.
Yeah, we're at opposites here, huh?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
And the award for not paying attention to earlier discussions when he corrected me for assuming he didn't like those movies goes to? Yes, you. You said you liked them in an earlier discussion.
I like them...what part of "I'm not going to praise them" You fail to understand?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'll handle this claim soon.
Translation: "I don't know what to say to WD anymore. I'm running out of steam"
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So, Ang Lee's Hulk was factually garbage was it? I'm not making up excuses that it's a good film, I enjoyed it, I think it was "good". Excuses would imply I thought it was shit and wanted to pretend it was good. That's not true, that's just what you've convinced yourself. So all you can really say is that you disagree with my personal taste, which is what this comes down to.
Yes, you're making excuses. I know in your world it isn't but trust me. Here in our world those are excuses.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Not for you, though. You actually do try to find excuses for enjoying Batman & Robin, Batman Forever etc. You say "I enjoyed them, I liked them...OH, but they are poor. I'm saying that cos that's what I should say, liked them, though.". You liked them, you thought they were good, but you conform to what everybody else thinks you should think, to try to save credibility as a Batman fan.
Batman 1966 is completely out of character from the image of Batman. So because of that I should not see the appealing campy and cheesiness of the project? I can laugh at it....not going to praise it. You do that with anything you like. Defend it and claim it's good. Fail.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I got school? How do you get school? School-ED, perhaps? I bet you just cannot stand me, and it's funny really, cos I can tell how frustrated you get at the fact that you only stand a chance against me by totally ignoring everything I say.-AC
Yes, you got school. I love how you turn into an English professor in seconds to ridicule another person.
Let's await for AC response. A 5 pages post of pure babble....
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I dislike Marvel and their characters? Oh, you really haven't been attention OR you just trying to twist my words. As I said before I like the characters...I don't like how the characters are been written.
So stop reading the comics, right? Why then do you continue to dislike them now if it's not a vendetta?
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Of course you have issues with me. You're trying to portrait me as a bad guy for not liking what you like. At least I have common sense when I see something I don't like.
Portray. A portrait is a picture.
I'm not doing that, I've said I'm not doing that, so save you and I the time of going into a "You said this.", "You know I didn't." debate, ok? Lovely.
Secondly, you don't. You admit to liking something, then say you dislike it, like Batman & Robin. You liked it, you obviously thought it was a good overall movie, why not admit it?
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
As they see fit? In a perfect world yeah, in the world of fanboys...NO!
In case you haven't noticed, a lot of writers ARE fanboys. Chris Claremont? He uses the X-Men as a way of expressing what he feels they should be and HIM alone.
Writers write what they want to write.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
What a stupid remark! Hulk a victim of fanboys who don't like him. Let's turn the wheel on it's proper revolution. Hulk is the victim of fanboys wanting him more powerful than he was intended to be. Which is OUT OF CHARACTER! Know what that means? That means the character is getting into a mess. Don't worry it will hit ya one day and you'll say...."oh, yeah! that's what WD meant"
More powerful than he was intended to be? He was intended to be the strongest there is, that's always been the premise. You might wanna brush up on your history. Like you said, characters evolve, and his character has evolved, and others around him. As others around him have become stronger for better or worse, he has evolved. He's still the strongest there is on Earth, and more so than some not on Earth. He isn't stronger than Thanos or anyone like that.
You wouldn't know this, though, you've abandoned his comics, so I forgive your ignorance.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
The EU is indeed a Lucas creation taken by the fans. It's very roots come from Lucas if it wasn't his...what's with the Lucas Arts logo? Lame AC. you roll down the hill in a box.
Taken by the fans? So he actually wrote the E.U. did he? He specifically and technically wrote the stories of the E.U.? How many stories has he written for that?
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Bob Kane died in 1998. He created Batman. I'm still alive and happen to know the history as well as the present and even future of Batman. So A fan knows more than the creator indeed.
You don't know more about his creation, just the variations that he didn't create. There's a possibility he didn't keep up with how his creation was used afterward. You couldn't tell him you know more about the origins and originals than he does, cos he created them, they came from his mind. Obviously the other writers know more about what they've written than he does.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Argue that point.
Done.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
You don't get anything by defending them. Good, why are you arguing then? I left the fan base...and? I'm suppose to leave and say "you guys are doing a great job in ruining the character! props to you!"
What do you get from attacking them WHEREVER you hear of them? I defend them where it's due, and I'm not even defending their WORK necessarily.
You left their fanbase cos you thought they were ruining shit, ok, that's fine by me, we're all entitled to that. Why didn't you leave it there? Why is it necessary to keep paying attention and attacking? They're not attacking you for leaving.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Take off those the fanboy goggles already.
How is that a fanboy point? It's a true, logical question and point that you cannot answer, because you're both a fanboy when it suits you, and the worse opposite.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Now you're defending them! Indeed you are part or problem by supporting them. You're like a scientologist. No, more like a cult member...."don't blame them...blame something else" This is known as the "Sony Fanboy Syndrome" Except in your case is the Marvel one.
That's not fanboyism, it's fact. Jim Starlin is a comics writer who works for Marvel, he is getting blamed, by you, for the movies. He doesn't even work on the movies, but you are blaming all of Marvel.
My point is, blame the people who made it, or if you simply HAVE to, the people who fund it, not the entire company, because it's not all of them is it? If Raz was to make a poor decision regarding KMC, I wouldn't blame you. You just moderate it, you don't have a direct hand in the direction the site takes, do you?
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I pay to hate...uh-huh...how about pay to be entertain? Ever had that thought? No, of course you don't. You pay and say "no matter how shit this is I'm going LOVE IT!"
Do you genuinely try to be an idiot? Just asking. Like...I want to get to the source of why you do that. What possesses you, a grown adult male, to sit at your computer and intentionally tell me I've said or proposed things that we are both aware I haven't? Regardless of whether I think aspects of your personality are stupid or opinions are stupid, you're clearly not a mental retard, nor a child. So why do you do that?
We both know I haven't said: "No matter how shit this is, I'm gonna love it.", so why suggest it? I didn't like F4, didn't really like Ghost Rider, there are a lot of films I've paid to see that I don't like. What are you getting out of insisting, despite my clarification, the opposite?
Simple answer, go.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
You could do that...or you could the right thing...which is get the right information and background of the character and take it from there. But in your case is something like this:"I DON'T CARE HOW POWERFUL THE WATCH IS! I'M GOING TO MAKE HULK POWERFUL ENOUGH TO K.O. HIM"
Not really, because that would be stupid. If he beat Thanos I'd say it's stupid, if he beat Galactus I'd say it was stupid. What are you getting out of throwing idiotic, false tantrums? Seriously. You act like a complete baby every single time I debate you. I don't know if it's because you're sore that you can't handle me, but wish you could, or whatever, but it's really immature.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Liar! Liar, liar pants on fire! You accuse me of personal vendettas.
Because you told me you had one, you infantile human.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Oh, I'm not waiting for anything. I already know your using your traditional essay posts with tons of babble to make yourself look eloquent.
I'm not trying anything right now. I press you and you pop, then all you do, much like a spot, is spew textual puss. It pretty much wins itself.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
"If" I see a "if in your sentence there...so you're assuming that I'm doing that....in your typical manners that "if" is a fact.
No...that would imply that I acknowledge the possibility you aren't doing it, but I believe you are, yet...accept the possibility of being wrong.
I'm bordering on the opinion that you are parodying yourself, now. You're not actually this pathetically dense.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Oh, so you assume I'm going to go see the Hulk and then bash it. Whereas you are going to go see it and praise it.
No, I'm going to see it. That's as much as I know right now. Even so, how is what you claim I will definitely do, any worse than what you will do? I have always been a fan of The Hulk, so at least I have that on my side. You don't even like The Hulk anymore, so you have literally no reason to show up to the movie.
Even when I'm hypothetically agreeing with you, your point still fails. Like you, against me, ALWAYS.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Yeah, we're at opposites here, huh?
Nope, I'm the rationale, inquisitive person. You're the fanboy/irrational hater hybrid in denial.
-AC
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I like them...what part of "I'm not going to praise them" You fail to understand?
What part of "Saying you like it is a form of praise." do you not understand? All of it, is my guess.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Translation: "I don't know what to say to WD anymore. I'm running out of steam".
Yes, which is why you're the one filling your post with panic bs.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Yes, you're making excuses. I know in your world it isn't but trust me. Here in our world those are excuses.
Well you are factually incorrect. Although, I know for a fact that you definitely loved Batman & Robin and thought it was an awesome film. See how it works? See where I'm going? Are you picking up the breadcrumbs, Hanzel and Gretel?
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Batman 1966 is completely out of character from the image of Batman. So because of that I should not see the appealing campy and cheesiness of the project? I can laugh at it....not going to praise it. You do that with anything you like. Defend it and claim it's good. Fail.
Laughing at shit you dislike is totally different to saying "I liked this movie, but I am not gonna praise it.". That is being idiotic, which you have down to an art. Not as much as you have insisting upon ignorance down to an art. I bet it reaaally burns you.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Yes, you got school. I love how you turn into an English professor in seconds to ridicule another person.
What does that mean then? I got school. Do you mean school-ED?
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Let's await for AC response. A 5 pages post of pure babble....
Let's? Who are you talking to? The only thing that bothers me is that you keep doing it out of ignorance. You simply cannot be a man and concede that I take you out on every front when we debate, so you make shit up to save face and reply. You can't stand me, and for you, to back down would be the biggest dishonour ever, must be awful to have someone who always has your number.
So, you can either concede the loss, or you can continue and I can just make it more and more obvious. We both know what you're gonna do, so stop moaning about it. You don't HAVE to reply, you will choose to. I'm choosing to, I'm man enough to admit it, because I hope that one day you'll stop being an idiot. In fact, I demand a reply from you. Let's test how far under my thumb you really are.
-AC
^😂
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What part of "Saying you like it is a form of praise." do you not understand? All of it, is my guess.
Twisting words, again. Failure.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes, which is why you're the one filling your post with panic bs.
And all you doing is trying defend yourself from points. Good job! You do a lousy job.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Well you are factually incorrect. Although, I know for a fact that you definitely loved Batman & Robin and thought it was an awesome film. See how it works? See where I'm going? Are you picking up the breadcrumbs, Hanzel and Gretel?
Oh, you're full of it and you know it damn well.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Laughing at shit you dislike is totally different to saying "I liked this movie, but I am not gonna praise it.". That is being idiotic, which you have down to an art. Not as much as you have insisting upon ignorance down to an art. I bet it reaaally burns you.
Burn what? You're the one burning your own bridges here. I can laugh at something or laugh with it.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Let's? Who are you talking to? The only thing that bothers me is that you keep doing it out of ignorance. You simply cannot be a man and concede that I take you out on every front when we debate, so you make shit up to save face and reply. You can't stand me, and for you, to back down would be the biggest dishonour ever, must be awful to have someone who always has your number.
Don't flatter yourself, okay? You're not winning anything. All you doing is cover up your mess. That's why you make 10,000 words posts.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So, you can either concede the loss, or you can continue and I can just make it more and more obvious. We both know what you're gonna do, so stop moaning about it. You don't HAVE to reply, you will choose to. I'm choosing to, I'm man enough to admit it, because I hope that one day you'll stop being an idiot. In fact, I demand a reply from you. Let's test how far under my thumb you really are.
It hurts you that I'm critical! And it hurts you to admit it. That is why you keep coming back. Give it up already.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So stop reading the comics, right? Why then do you continue to dislike them now if it's not a vendetta?
Because it isn't! If it was a vendetta I would be encouraging people to STOP READING THEM! That's a vendetta! Next stupid question....
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm not doing that, I've said I'm not doing that, so save you and I the time of going into a "You said this.", "You know I didn't." debate, ok? Lovely.
Then don't do it! Shut up and be over with.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
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Secondly, you don't. You admit to liking something, then say you dislike it, like Batman & Robin. You liked it, you obviously thought it was a good overall movie, why not admit it?
I thought you weren't? So what is this? You're losing yourself in your own maze.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
In case you haven't noticed, a lot of writers ARE fanboys. Chris Claremont? He uses the X-Men as a way of expressing what he feels they should be and HIM alone.
And in case you haven't notice FANS speak out agaisnt the works put up by these writers. That's what I'm doing. You on the other hand try to cover up the mess and look for ways to defend it!
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriWriters write what they want to write.
Writers get paid to write a story base on the character NOT to satisfied the idiotic fanboys! That's what is happening and you know DAMN WELL! Stop pretending!
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
More powerful than he was intended to be? He was intended to be the strongest there is, that's always been the premise. You might wanna brush up on your history. Like you said, characters evolve, and his character has evolved, and others around him. As others around him have become stronger for better or worse, he has evolved. He's still the strongest there is on Earth, and more so than some not on Earth. He isn't stronger than Thanos or anyone like that.
I've told for the ONE MILLION time that this Hulk wasn't suppose to be incredible powerful! If Jack Kirby wanted him to be more powerful then he would have writen the character like some god. Instead Hulk was a cause of an accident! BIG FRIGGIN DIFFERENCE!
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You wouldn't know this, though, you've abandoned his comics, so I forgive your ignorance.
Because I refuse to be a fanboy like you. Yes, bow to your master at Marvel.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Taken by the fans? So he actually wrote the E.U. did he? He specifically and technically wrote the stories of the E.U.? How many stories has he written for that?
Gee, he made the characters....I wonder what the fans are going to write about....Oh, maybe use the characters in different scenerios. But in order to do that...they have get permission and approval. Keep thinking AC! Just THINK!
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What do you get from attacking them WHEREVER you hear of them? I defend them where it's due, and I'm not even defending their WORK necessarily.
You confuse critique with attack. Keep making the same stupid opinion will ya. You look very smart....sarcasm.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You left their fanbase cos you thought they were ruining shit, ok, that's fine by me, we're all entitled to that. Why didn't you leave it there? Why is it necessary to keep paying attention and attacking? They're not attacking you for leaving.
But you been picking on me because I critique. Keep been a good cult follower and defend your master.
*YAWN* AC is boring.