Admiral Firmus Piett

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
No it isn't, that's straight from the film. Did you listen to anything said in the battle? Its made quite clear only the bridge lost its shield, and that the executor would have been fine if it hadn't been pulled into the Death Star.

Also, see above, this whole debate is of topic.

This is a manifest lie. You mention about a secondary command centre- that is EU talk. Continue with that and you will be warned.

Once more, the simple logic is this- it loses the shioeld and becomes fatally vulnerable. Again- fact, undeniable.

Originally posted by Lord Melkor
I don`t remember that well- at what moment with regard to the Throne Room scene the destruction of the Death Star was trully inevitable? I prefer to think that this is connected- Millienium Falcon wouldn`t make it if the Sith weren`t destroyed. Emperor was blind to the ascendance of the Light Side, and this incompetence inflected his minions. It kind of fits to me, and mirrors PT in a way.

Sadly no matter how much you prefer it, it doesn't happen in the right order.

The Emperor was doomed anyway- Luke actually affected very little other than his own peace of mind.

ANH? Where they lost the Death Star andhence, ultimately, their entire existence? Yeah, great.

Except for the fact that only 3 rebels survived the battle.

GL doesn't say they should have won as if he made a mistake. He only means the odds favoured them- but rhe reality of it was that they were rubbish. Again- plan, on-screen, lost to Ewoks, fact undeniable. He very clearly talks about wanting to show that with the Ewoks; it was a Vietnam allegory. Despite apparent strength, the fragility of the Imperials is exposed by their primitive foes.

The US army was vastly better in training and skil than the VC,ask anyone your anaolgy is proof in my favor, and says the Stormtroopers were far superior to the ewoks. Thanks for helping me out.

As for Piett- as I say before. He never actually did a single useful thing other than report a possible location of the Rebels.

He did plenty of stuff for the Empire, but you hate the EU so I won't share it.

Well, count the casualties on each side in that battle, and see who comes out on top.

No, the US thought it was better biut still failed. And as I say, GL clearly talks of how he wanted to demonstrate Imperial weakness. And true, it would have been better if he had stuck to Wookies as orignally planned, but there you go, what happened happened.

I do not hate the EU; now you are making up lies. But the policy of where EU belongs is clearly stated. By contrast this is the film section. If you want an EU Piett thread, talk about him in there.

Well, maybe it was all predetermined at that moment? That was the will of the force, that Chosen One is redeemed and Empire and Sith fall.

Still, even with the Destuction of the Death Star, Luke turning to the Dark Side and escaping with his Sith Master would be pretty bad.

What was more important actually, Emperor or the Death Star? Star Wars logic says that the force trumps all.

If it was predetermind before Luke even did it then it was all just a waste of everyone's time., Point is, there is never any connection made between what Luke did and Rebel victory- they actually won anyway.

Luke may as well have not gone- which is a shame for the plot.

Star Wars logic also says that you cannot rule the Galaxy with the Force. You can with the Death Star.

No, the US thought it was better biut still failed. And as I say, GL clearly talks of how he wanted to demonstrate Imperial weakness. And true, it would have been better if he had stuck to Wookies as orignally planned, but there you go, what happened happened.

No, ask any military expert and you will hear the US was vastly superior. GL's comments prove my point, that the Imperials were better, but they got hit with cheap shots and unfamiliar territory.

I do not hate the EU; now you are making up lies. But the policy of where EU belongs is clearly stated. By contrast this is the film section. If you want an EU Piett thread, talk about him in there.

You sure act like you hate it.

For a start, it doesn't matter what experts you ask- GL was still trying to make the point from the way he saw it, which was the mighty Empire (US) humbled and weakness exposed, leading to massive defeat. If you think he was wrong to see it like that, fine, But he still saw it like that.

And no I don't, I am acting like it does not belong here, which is true. What I don't like is, in fact, ROTJ, my least favourite of all the films. But it still is one of them, and this is the film section,so it gets what it is due.

Well, it is quite interesting- but didn`t the rule of the Darkside allow the Death Star to be created? I prefer to have it all connected, to preserve the internal logic to the plot. Otherwise, the prophecy of the Chosen One doesn`t make true sens,e unless Vader`s and Luke`s choice determined only the fate of Jedi and Sith, not whether the Galaxy would be saved from the Darkness of the Empire. But it doesn`t fit Star Wars mythology to me.

Well I think we would all prefer it if ROTJ hadn't torpedoed the consistency of the plot... but it still did.

Sadly that very much is all that Luke and Anakin affected. And the same result would have occurred if Luke had not gone- Vader and Emperor dead, and him alive. Not as happy, but still last force user standing.

For a start, it doesn't matter what experts you ask- GL was still trying to make the point from the way he saw it, which was the mighty Empire (US) humbled and weakness exposed, leading to massive defeat. If you think he was wrong to see it like that, fine, But he still saw it like that.

No, this is a problem of you not interpreting a quote correctly. The Empire being humbled means that it was an incredibly powerful force that had every advantadge, and lost when it should not have.

Why you think it means the Empire sucks at everything is beyond me, but you should work on your reading comoprehension.

And no I don't, I am acting like it does not belong here, which is true. What I don't like is, in fact, ROTJ, my least favourite of all the films. But it still is one of them, and this is the film section,so it gets what it is due.

Then move this thread to the EU section, please.

I didn't say it sucked at everything, I said its people were useless, and the on-screen evidence is overwhelmingly in favour of that.

Odd ting is, Piett only has any mythology at all because he survived ESB, and for no other reason. Shame of it is that this distracts from the Imnperial officer we see in the film who actually was any good, which was Veers.

Anyway, I'll close this, because it is somewhat polluted. You can open a new one in EU.