Originally posted by Utrigita1. Kain's Time Stop has a fairly short area of effect. How exactly does Paramount work?
I isn't the expert on Kain, He has access to the paramount Spells so yes. A good limit in the previous fight would be exclude him from those spells. 🙂what will???
You are asking if possibly one of the Most Powerful Beings in The warcraft universe can create a magical shield that is stronger the Malygos when the Aspects stated that Archimonde was stronger then them... I don't get you point here V2D what is so special about 100% Pyron???
What is the Warlocks in WoW doing almost constantly???
2. Many high power attacks. Pyron could vape the battlefield constantly, and Killy does not have the durability to stand up to a bombardment like that.
3. Yeah, I am. In SW, Darth Sidious is stronger than Nihilus, bur Sidious can't do Nihilus' Force Breaking attack. Now, if you are arguing that since Arichmonde can make a stronger shield than Malygos, and that is a canonically established fact, then I will agree with you.
Ummm...he's STRONGER!? 😱
When I was arguing for Pyron in that other thread, it was 20% Pyron from the OVA, weak Pyron.
4. Nevermind, I was confused. I thot the Drain Soul spell was only an effect that stays on your opponent for a little while, then if you kill them, you get a Soul Shard. I was mostly right, but it also does damage, albeit not very much.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Kain's Time Stop has a fairly short area of effect. How exactly does Paramount work?
Again not the expert in Kain. Paramount effects can produce nearly any feat imaginable, but depending on the Caster and the effect that he wishes to produce. For Instance the Spell that destoyed Dalaran was a paramount spell and Dalaran was shielded by numorous Magical devices.
The city was defended by Dalaran Guard Towers and archmagi, but was ultimately destroyed following the summoning of Archimonde to Azeroth. The great demon single-handedly laid waste to the city by creating a magical effigy out of the dust, which he then crushed; the mighty towers of Dalaran fell simultaneously.
So the spell either bypassed the shields ore torn them apart 🙂
2. Many high power attacks. Pyron could vape the battlefield constantly, and Killy does not have the durability to stand up to a bombardment like that.[/B]
No he doesn't but his shield most certainly can. If he uses Mana Shield and since his mana reserves are practically limitless it is going to be some time before Pyron gets through.
3. Yeah, I am. In SW, Darth Sidious is stronger than Nihilus, bur Sidious can't do Nihilus' Force Breaking attack. Now, if you are arguing that since Arichmonde can make a stronger shield than Malygos, and that is a canonically established fact, then I will agree with you.[/B]
excuse me V2D but I find it laughable that you don't believe that Kil'Jaeden can create a magical Shield. on another more serious note. If I had a scanner I would gladly post the evidence, One that the aspects themselves saying there power is beneath what Archimonde can do. Secondly the stats from the aspects and Kil'Jaeden and Archimonde (which will show you that Kil'Jaeden is above Archimonde). With a little luck maybe Darth Excecute has them so will just ask him later.
Ummm...he's STRONGER!? 😱When I was arguing for Pyron in that other thread, it was 20% Pyron from the OVA, weak Pyron.[/B]
It wasn't my question what feats does he has.
4. Nevermind, I was confused. I thot the Drain Soul spell was only an effect that stays on your opponent for a little while, then if you kill them, you get a Soul Shard. I was mostly right, but it also does damage, albeit not very much. [/B]
So can we agree on this that Pyron soul is going to be a little trouble for him???
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Instead of bashing, refute a post.
That wasnt bashing in any way..
And whats the point of making a valid post, since you wont accept it openminded anyway? It doesnt matter what information we provide about Kil'Jaeden.. You wont take it in consideration anyway, since Pyron cant lose to anything, no matter their potentials..
Originally posted by Utrigita1. That's not planet busting. 😐 Sorry, but you claimed it a planet busting attack, that sounds like city busting to me.
Again not the expert in Kain. Paramount effects can produce nearly any feat imaginable, but depending on the Caster and the effect that he wishes to produce. For Instance the Spell that destoyed Dalaran was a paramount spell and Dalaran was shielded by numorous Magical devices.So the spell either bypassed the shields ore torn them apart 🙂
No he doesn't but his shield most certainly can. If he uses Mana Shield and since his mana reserves are practically limitless it is going to be some time before Pyron gets through.
excuse me V2D but I find it laughable that you don't believe that Kil'Jaeden can create a magical Shield. on another more serious note. If I had a scanner I would gladly post the evidence, One that the aspects themselves saying there power is beneath what Archimonde can do. Secondly the stats from the aspects and Kil'Jaeden and Archimonde (which will show you that Kil'Jaeden is above Archimonde). With a little luck maybe Darth Excecute has them so will just ask him later.
It wasn't my question what feats does he has.
So can we agree on this that Pyron soul is going to be a little trouble for him???
Is it like a beam, blast, what?
2. I agree, his shields will not be as easily destroy as his body, but neither will Pyron's shield, which are powered by Pyron's limitless energies, speaking of which, Pyron's energies have a way of undoing magic btw.
3. No, that is not what I meant, I mean, even tho Killy is far stronger than Malygos, his shields might not be as strong as Malygos'. That's all I meant.
4. Okay...he easily eats planets, flys billions of times lightspeed, can create things such as the Phobos, along with all his other shown powers which are stronger than they are when he is in mortal form. Oh, and he has been shown to instantly be able to change his size, from human size to like 300-500 feet tall, then right to a size dwarfing a planet that is several times the size of Jupiter.
5. It isn't a very powerful spell in terms of the damage it does, he won't be winning the fight with that spell alone.
Originally posted by Darth ExtecuteCalling me a fanboy is bashing.
That wasnt bashing in any way..And whats the point of making a valid post, since you wont accept it openminded anyway? It doesnt matter what information we provide about Kil'Jaeden.. You wont take it in consideration anyway, since Pyron cant lose to anything, no matter their potentials..
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
4. Okay...he easily eats planets, flys billions of times lightspeed, can create things such as the Phobos, along with all his other shown powers which are stronger than they are when he is in mortal form. Oh, and he has been shown to instantly be able to change his size, from human size to like 300-500 feet tall, then right to a size dwarfing a planet that is several times the size of Jupiter.
flying faster than light will not be possible for him in this match, the space is not large enough nor will he be able to start moving, if he chooses to use speed he will fail miserably, can he even move while in his shield,can you show me this if he can?
instantly change size? maybe small sizes but ive never seen him change size on the fly to considerable levels, if he could change instantly why would he not do it against Demitri and dwarf the world in his haste, obviously not instant. Also what are you going by to state he can do it instantly, if its a couple of scans that do not take time into account then it is invalid, you cannot record time in a scan, unless the scan states it or the scan has other objects in it that should be moving yet only move a tiny amount in the next picture of him being larger.
Originally posted by Burning thought1. .....You have seen the OVA vid, right? It shows him multiple times moving in the shield. He does it in gameplay as well.
flying faster than light will not be possible for him in this match, the space is not large enough nor will he be able to start moving, if he chooses to use speed he will fail miserably, can he even move while in his shield,can you show me this if he can?instantly change size? maybe small sizes but ive never seen him change size on the fly to considerable levels, if he could change instantly why would he not do it against Demitri and dwarf the world in his haste, obviously not instant. Also what are you going by to state he can do it instantly, if its a couple of scans that do not take time into account then it is invalid, you cannot record time in a scan, unless the scan states it or the scan has other objects in it that should be moving yet only move a tiny amount in the next picture of him being larger.
2. He was in a literal weak mortal form against Demitri, and was in the heat of battle. Going from one panel to the next shows it is not much time, unless it is either obvious it took time or it says so. You don't know much on comics, do you BT?
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. That's not planet busting. 😐 Sorry, but you claimed it a planet busting attack, that sounds like city busting to me.
Yes I did I just mentioned one effect that the Paramount Spells has been shown to produce, in the games which I believe you have played and then I mentioned the handbook, to where a paramount spell can tear a planet apart ore basically mindcontrol a entire population of a planet.
Is it like a beam, blast, what?[/B]
No it's a spell that can produce almost any feats imaginable depending on the caster, it can corrupt a entire race ore slowly tear the surface of the planet ore rip the planet apart in a instance.
2. I agree, his shields will not be as easily destroy as his body, but neither will Pyron's shield, which are powered by Pyron's limitless energies, speaking of which, Pyron's energies have a way of undoing magic btw.[/B]
I thought there was a reason to all his planet eating???
3. No, that is not what I meant, I mean, even tho Killy is far stronger than Malygos, his shields might not be as strong as Malygos'. That's all I meant.[/B]
Okay you are wrong. In Warcraft experience and magical power means everything to the eredar race so Kil'Jaeden being the strongest Eredar will always from my point of view mean that he can create shields much stronger.
4. Okay...he easily eats planets, flys billions of times lightspeed, can create things such as the Phobos, along with all his other shown powers which are stronger than they are when he is in mortal form. Oh, and he has been shown to instantly be able to change his size, from human size to like 300-500 feet tall, then right to a size dwarfing a planet that is several times the size of Jupiter.[/B]
Doesn't he grow in order to eat a planet??? and Archimonde has demonstrated Size manipulation as well and within the area there is only a certain amout of space for them to grow in.
5. It isn't a very powerful spell in terms of the damage it does, he won't be winning the fight with that spell alone. [/B]
It drains his soul mate.
Originally posted by Utrigita1. So it can do many things? Has it ever actually destroyed a planet?
Yes I did I just mentioned one effect that the Paramount Spells has been shown to produce, in the games which I believe you have played and then I mentioned the handbook, to where a paramount spell can tear a planet apart ore basically mindcontrol a entire population of a planet.No it's a spell that can produce almost any feats imaginable depending on the caster, it can corrupt a entire race ore slowly tear the surface of the planet ore rip the planet apart in a instance.
I thought there was a reason to all his planet eating???
Okay you are wrong. In Warcraft experience and magical power means everything to the eredar race so Kil'Jaeden being the strongest Eredar will always from my point of view mean that he can create shields much stronger.
Doesn't he grow in order to eat a planet??? and Archimonde has demonstrated Size manipulation as well and within the area there is only a certain amout of space for them to grow in.
It drains his soul mate.
2. Yes, lemme put it this way, he has limitless energy, but he cannot release it all at once, and destroy the universe or sumthin, he eats planets to become even more powerful, get what I mean?
3. Your point of view? Great, speculation.
4. He has eaten Earth at a size smaller than earth in an ending actually, he could eat most of the battlefield. Also, if he grew in size with Pyron, he will be easier to hit, and they will be up close, and Pyron>>>>Killy at melee.
5. Over time mate, very slowly mate.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. So it can do many things? Has it ever actually destroyed a planet?
Yes there has been a reference in the handbook of a regular eredar warlock destroying a planet with a paramount spell so yes.
2. Yes, lemme put it this way, he has limitless energy, but he cannot release it all at once, and destroy the universe or sumthin, he eats planets to become even more powerful, get what I mean?[/B]
Yes but he clearly doesn't have limitless energy els he wouldn't be absorbing planets to gain more power/energy now would he.
3. Your point of view? Great, speculation.[/B]
Like most of what you are bringing on Pyron. And speculation... let me see handbooks and the trilogy that officially is Blizzards look at how the war of the ancient took place > In my openion. I have mentioned this once already.
4. He has eaten Earth at a size smaller than earth in an ending actually, he could eat most of the battlefield. Also, if he grew in size with Pyron, he will be easier to hit, and they will be up close, and Pyron>>>>Killy at melee.[/B]
The battlefield that is indestructable??? Thats strange because when I said that Pyron grow and he got easier to hit you said he didn't got any easier to hit so how is Kil'Jaeden going to become easier to hit???
5. Over time mate, very slowly mate. [/B]
thats the way a warlock from WoW work, With a slow steal soul spell that require the Character ore NPC to die, Kil'Jaeden on the other hand showed in his encounter with Ner'Zhul that these rules doesn't apply a 10% to him since he can take the soul while the body is still very much alife ore immobelise the soul and then slowly tear the body apart without the Soul that is located in the physcal body is capable of offering any resistance.
Ner'zhul's spirit was kept alive while his body was slowly torn apart.
tortured the orc for an impossibly long time, destroying his body piece by piece until finally, nothing remained but the shaman's tortured soul. Kil'jaeden offered the remnant of the soul a choice: remain in eternal pain in the eredar torture dimension,
The Elder Shaman was torn apart, though his spirit was kept alive
Originally posted by Utrigita1. Alright, I'll take your word for it, tho I would like to read the reference.
Yes there has been a reference in the handbook of a regular eredar warlock destroying a planet with a paramount spell so yes.Yes but he clearly doesn't have limitless energy els he wouldn't be absorbing planets to gain more power/energy now would he.
Like most of what you are bringing on Pyron. And speculation... let me see handbooks and the trilogy that officially is Blizzards look at how the war of the ancient took place > In my openion. I have mentioned this once already.
The battlefield that is indestructable??? Thats strange because when I said that Pyron grow and he got easier to hit you said he didn't got any easier to hit so how is Kil'Jaeden going to become easier to hit???
thats the way a warlock from WoW work, With a slow steal soul spell that require the Character ore NPC to die, Kil'Jaeden on the other hand showed in his encounter with Ner'Zhul that these rules doesn't apply a 10% to him since he can take the soul while the body is still very much alife ore immobelise the soul and then slowly tear the body apart without the Soul that is located in the physcal body is capable of offering any resistance.
2. No, he has limitless...stamina while using his powers, he will never get tired or run out of energy, eating planets makes him more powerful(he is potentially omnipotent possibly).
3. I haven't speculated anything. Is there any proof his shields>Malygos', yes or no?
4. Forgot battlefield is indestructible, however Killy is very much vulnerable to absorption. I didn't say Pyron wouldn't be a bigger target, I said he has shields to block his attacks tho.
5. That sounds exactly like what normal Warlocks do. Keep the soul, kill the body.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Alright, I'll take your word for it, tho I would like to read the reference.
If I had a scanner I would happely post it for you. So far all I can tell you is to get you hand on the manual of monsters and Shadows and Light.
2. No, he has limitless...stamina while using his powers, he will never get tired or run out of energy, eating planets makes him more powerful(he is potentially omnipotent possibly).[/B]
Okay scan reference... ore can I find it in his respect thread???
3. I haven't speculated anything. Is there any proof his shields>Malygos', yes or no?[/B]
What do you consider proof??? I have listed it 3 times that he is a stronger arcane/magical user then Malygos.
4. Forgot battlefield is indestructible, however Killy is very much vulnerable to absorption. I didn't say Pyron wouldn't be a bigger target, I said he has shields to block his attacks tho.[/B]
Who many people has be absorbed??? His shields that is growing with his size ore what??? the same shields that is used in the respect thread??
5. That sounds exactly like what normal Warlocks do. Keep the soul, kill the body. [/B]
No it sounds like get to soul in a stasis and torment the body for a undefine length of time, thats what he did to Ner'Zhul.
Originally posted by Utrigita1. Like I said, I'll take your word for it.
If I had a scanner I would happely post it for you. So far all I can tell you is to get you hand on the manual of monsters and Shadows and Light.Okay scan reference... ore can I find it in his respect thread???
What do you consider proof??? I have listed it 3 times that he is a stronger arcane/magical user then Malygos.
Who many people has be absorbed??? His shields that is growing with his size ore what??? the same shields that is used in the respect thread??
No it sounds like get to soul in a stasis and torment the body for a undefine length of time, thats what he did to Ner'Zhul.
2. He doesn't have a physical body to produce fatigue toxins, it is literally impossible for him to tire. And he can fly nonstop at billions of times lightspeed for 3 years as well.
3. I still don't consider that concrete to be honest, but I will concede and just agree that he is stronger with his shields.
4. He has absorbed entire planets. 😐 Why can't he absorb one person? His shields can grow as big as him(well, bigger to cover his body). Yes, the same shields in respect thread, and in gameplay as well.
5. Not to me.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. .....You have seen the OVA vid, right? It shows him multiple times moving in the shield. He does it in gameplay as well.2. He was in a literal weak mortal form against Demitri, and was in the heat of battle. Going from one panel to the next shows it is not much time, unless it is either obvious it took time or it says so. You don't know much on comics, do you BT?
1. please show me the times at which he does ths please and then ill watch the OVA again, then eithe continue or concede my point
2. he was in the heat of battle, how will that make any diffrence unless his size manip is no way instant, or his mind is actually fairly slow and is not as quick as you seem to think..
no ime not an expert on comics, but i can tell you Utriga here is into comics, and ill ask him..Utriga is there no possible way that if Pyron is the size of a large building in one scan and then in the next the size of jupiter that this can be anything other than instant? from scan to scan....or is V2D talking BS?
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
2. No, he has limitless...stamina while using his powers, he will never get tired or run out of energy, eating planets makes him more powerful(he is potentially omnipotent possibly).3. I haven't speculated anything. Is there any proof his shields>Malygos', yes or no?
2. your chewing at the omnipotence bone? no...pyron could never become omnipotent...sorry...maybe in the eyes of a mere mortal but God would still laugh and blink to delete the thing
3. you have not speculated anything?.....you speculate that Pyron can change from small to his largest form in an instant it seems, since the only thing that would state this seems to be your own assumption of what the pictures show since there are no words with the scans, the time between a scan from another especially when theres no way in the scan to judge time passing could easily be a good few hours, maybe even days.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Calling me a fanboy is bashing.
No, it isnt.. because you are..
Now.. Since you've discussed so many points, I'll just jump in directly insteady of bothering counter all that I consider inaccurate..
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Like I said, I'll take your word for it.2. He doesn't have a physical body to produce fatigue toxins, it is literally impossible for him to tire. And he can fly nonstop at billions of times lightspeed for 3 years as well.
3. I still don't consider that concrete to be honest, but I will concede and just agree that he is stronger with his shields.
4. He has absorbed entire planets. 😐 Why can't he absorb one person? His shields can grow as big as him(well, bigger to cover his body). Yes, the same shields in respect thread, and in gameplay as well.
5. Not to me.
2. You dont have any proof of this.. Not that he can fly at billions of times lightspeed, nor that he can do it constantly for 3 years..
4. Planets, differently from Kil'Jaeden are defenseless.. And the fact that its inpenetratable is inaccurate too.. Pyron has never fought anyone like Kil'Jaeden.. No darkstalker ever comes near him in level of magic, and magic if anything can break trough the unbreakable.. As seen, Archimonde destroyed Dalaran in moments only, and Dalaran was the most heavily guarded town within reach of Azeroth.. Both trough magic itself and powerful mages.. The Kirin Tor AND not to forget Antonidas, Khadgar, Jaina and Argual..
And Archimonde isnt Kil'Jaeden.. Far less powerful..
- Pyron will NEVER be omnipotent.. He lack the potential..