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Originally posted by Darth Extecute

2. You dont have any proof of this.. Not that he can fly at billions of times lightspeed, nor that he can do it constantly for 3 years..

4. Planets, differently from Kil'Jaeden are defenseless.. And the fact that its inpenetratable is inaccurate too.. Pyron has never fought anyone like Kil'Jaeden.. No darkstalker ever comes near him in level of magic, and magic if anything can break trough the unbreakable.. As seen, Archimonde destroyed Dalaran in moments only, and Dalaran was the most heavily guarded town within reach of Azeroth.. Both trough magic itself and powerful mages.. The Kirin Tor AND not to forget Antonidas, Khadgar, Jaina and Argual..

And Archimonde isnt Kil'Jaeden.. Far less powerful..

- Pyron will NEVER be omnipotent.. He lack the potential..

2. 😆 his only proof is going to be a scan that shows little if any evidence he can go at great speeds, if he moves at all great speed he takes momentum and cannot do it immediatley at the same time as never shown doing it in any shape other than in his foetl position and especially not in battle.

4. ime not sure really what his shield has even been hit by, nor anything stating its properties,probably another V2D overhype of its power

he lacks everything to be omnipotent

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. please show me the times at which he does ths please and then ill watch the OVA again, then eithe continue or concede my point

2. he was in the heat of battle, how will that make any diffrence unless his size manip is no way instant, or his mind is actually fairly slow and is not as quick as you seem to think..

no ime not an expert on comics, but i can tell you Utriga here is into comics, and ill ask him..Utriga is there no possible way that if Pyron is the size of a large building in one scan and then in the next the size of jupiter that this can be anything other than instant? from scan to scan....or is V2D talking BS?

2. your chewing at the omnipotence bone? no...pyron could never become omnipotent...sorry...maybe in the eyes of a mere mortal but God would still laugh and blink to delete the thing

3. you have not speculated anything?.....you speculate that Pyron can change from small to his largest form in an instant it seems, since the only thing that would state this seems to be your [B]own assumption of what the pictures show since there are no words with the scans, the time between a scan from another especially when theres no way in the scan to judge time passing could easily be a good few hours, maybe even days. [/B]

YouTube video

2. His mind scanned earth in its entirety in seconds, including Makai, which exists in another dimension(he at least felt its presence). He has the most advanced mind of anyone here(not saying he is smarter than Killy, but his mind is more advanced from what I know).

I don't think it is literally instant, just doesn't take as long as you think it is.

3. Nice, attacking a point that in the whole is irrevelant to the debate. Also, it cannot be proven what Pyron's limit is, and I said POSSIBLY.

4. That's not speculation, I go by what's shown, matter of fact, Pyron in the OVA went from fairly small to a huge laughing sheet of flame near instantly, a sheet of flame that covered most the planet.

You are the one speculating that it took him hours to grow that big, you speculate that hours were in between each panel, you are speculating, not me.

Originally posted by Darth Extecute
No, it isnt.. because you are..

Now.. Since you've discussed so many points, I'll just jump in directly insteady of bothering counter all that I consider inaccurate..

2. You dont have any proof of this.. Not that he can fly at billions of times lightspeed, nor that he can do it constantly for 3 years..

4. Planets, differently from Kil'Jaeden are defenseless.. And the fact that its inpenetratable is inaccurate too.. Pyron has never fought anyone like Kil'Jaeden.. No darkstalker ever comes near him in level of magic, and magic if anything can break trough the unbreakable.. As seen, Archimonde destroyed Dalaran in moments only, and Dalaran was the most heavily guarded town within reach of Azeroth.. Both trough magic itself and powerful mages.. The Kirin Tor AND not to forget Antonidas, Khadgar, Jaina and Argual..

And Archimonde isnt Kil'Jaeden.. Far less powerful..

- Pyron will NEVER be omnipotent.. He lack the potential..

2. LOL.

Look at those, when he speeds off, he's going above lightspeed, wouldn't you think? Also, it says he went to the furthest limits of the universe, devouring and conquering countless worlds and stuff. Then, it says, "three years ago", and then Pyron makes his hasty flight towards earth, in three years. He did this from the furthest limits of the universe, in other words, the other side of it, and did it in three years, that is billions of times lightspeed.

Next time you say someone has no proof, make sure they really don't have proof.

3. Planets are also bigger and have more durability than Killy. It also shows he can absorb life, planets contain life. No DSer comes near Kiljaedan? ROFL. Kiljaedan has never faced anyone who comes close to Pyron's raw power. So I can say Pyron could break his shields thru brute force, I could never prove it, but you can't prove Killy can break Pyron's either. Simply saying "IT'S MAJIK!" isn't good enough.

Dur, of course Killy is more powerful.

4. No proof either way, I bet you think Killy could become omnipotent, don't you? 😉

Anyway, I don't like how you slandered me, I always thot of you as a good guy, and I'll put you calling me a fanboy behind me if you will put me calling you one behind you. Deal?

Originally posted by Burning thought
2. 😆 his only proof is going to be a scan that shows little if any evidence he can go at great speeds, if he moves at all great speed he takes momentum and cannot do it immediatley at the same time as never shown doing it in any shape other than in his foetl position and especially not in battle.

4. ime not sure really what his shield has even been hit by, nor anything stating its properties,probably another V2D overhype of its power

he lacks everything to be omnipotent

2. Okay. What has Kain's shield been hit by? Weak attacks that couldn't even destroy a city? Okay, Pyron can easily destroy it. Funny how you defeat yourself with your own logic, eh? Also, it has taken any and all attacks in the OVA and in-game.

3. No proof of his limit.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Okay. You are a WoW fanbot, it's not slander since its true.

2. LOL.

Look at those, when he speeds off, he's going above lightspeed, wouldn't you think? Also, it says he went to the furthest limits of the universe, devouring and conquering countless worlds and stuff. Then, it says, "three years ago", and then Pyron makes his hasty flight towards earth, in three years. He did this from the furthest limits of the universe, in other words, the other side of it, and did it in three years, that is billions of times lightspeed.

Next time you say someone has no proof, make sure they really don't have proof.

3. Planets are also bigger and have more durability than Killy. It also shows he can absorb life, planets contain life. No DSer comes near Kiljaedan? ROFL. Kiljaedan has never faced anyone who comes close to Pyron's raw power. So I can say Pyron could break his shields thru brute force, I could never prove it, but you can't prove Killy can break Pyron's either. Simply saying "IT'S MAJIK!" isn't good enough.

Dur, of course Killy is more powerful.

4. No proof either way, I bet you think Killy could become omnipotent, don't you? 😉

Anyway, I don't like how you slandered me, I always thot of you as a good guy, and I'll put you calling me a fanboy behind me if you will put me calling you one behind you. Deal?

1. I am not a WoW fanboY.. I'm a Blizzard fanboY..

2. Sorry.. Where's the proof again? You must have forgot to post it, because I dont seem to see it anywhere..

3. Mention ONE.. ONE single DS that holds more magic than Kil'jaeden..

4. He cant be omnipotent.. Its quite simple.. He doesnt have what it takes.. Kil'Jaeden however can be, since the book said so..

Originally posted by Darth Extecute
1. I am not a WoW fanbo[b]Y.. I'm a Blizzard fanboY..

2. Sorry.. Where's the proof again? You must have forgot to post it, because I dont seem to see it anywhere..

3. Mention ONE.. ONE single DS that holds more magic than Kil'jaeden..

4. He cant be omnipotent.. Its quite simple.. He doesnt have what it takes.. Kil'Jaeden however can be, since the book said so.. [/B]

2. Lol. Denying the proof doesn't make it nonexistant.

3. Sorry, missed the part where you said magic. That I can prolly agree with.

4. No, didn't you say it said "He was not omnipotent, but still..." or sumthin like that? Oh, and it was said about Pyron that "His only limits being the boundaries of his mind". Now personally, I think both are prolly hyperbole.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Fanbot is worse than fanboy. I'll put this behind me if you will tho.

2. Lol. Denying the proof doesn't make it nonexistant.

3. Sorry, missed the part where you said magic. That I can prolly agree with.

4. No, didn't you say it said "He was not omnipotent, but still..." or sumthin like that? Oh, and it was said about Pyron that "His only limits being the boundaries of his mind". Now personally, I think both are prolly hyperbole.

1. So, basically you are mature enough to go "worse" on me, simply because I called you a fanboy.. which you are.. your signature basically screams it out

2. I dont deny it.. I just cant see it.. Where does it say/indicate that he travel in the said speed, and where does it say that he can travel in the same speed for 3 years..

3. Mhm..

4. "He wasnt omnipotent.. not yet"

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. He does it a few times in the OVA vid, and I'll find a vid of him doing it in gameplay. The OVA also shows him attacking in shield.

YouTube video

2. His mind scanned earth in its entirety in seconds, including Makai, which exists in another dimension(he at least felt its presence). He has the most advanced mind of anyone here(not saying he is smarter than Killy, but his mind is more advanced from what I know).

I don't think it is literally instant, just doesn't take as long as you think it is.

3. Nice, attacking a point that in the whole is irrevelant to the debate. Also, it cannot be proven what Pyron's limit is, and I said [B]POSSIBLY.

4. That's not speculation, I go by what's shown, matter of fact, Pyron in the OVA went from fairly small to a huge laughing sheet of flame near instantly, a sheet of flame that covered most the planet.

You are the one speculating that it took him hours to grow that big, you speculate that hours were in between each panel, you are speculating, not me. [/B]

1. please dont just post the vid, tell me the exact times you think he is attacking from within his shield and the times he is moveing through his own power through his shield, after demitri attacks him he is in his shield and is getting sent backwards, yet he cannot attak back while in his shield...so then he forms into a spinning attack and attacks, the same happens against that Hutzil robot and that other being, it attacks, he shields then comes out the shield to attack

2. his mind has a greater area of vision....thats about it, his overall intelligence is nothing on killy thats for sure

well youve been saying he instantly does it so many times, so how fast is it in your mind? the scans do not show time, thats the problem, ime sure Utriga is likely to agree and ime quite sure he knows more on comics than you do. those 4 scans and the scans in the pyron respect thread do not show time.

3. yes it can because he doesnt have half the abilities or gain new abilities from anything, his old ones just seem to get stronger and he gets bigger, thats it....he could not become omnipotent even if he ate a billion universes and one, because he doesnt actually gian new abilites, he does not use magic either.

4. whats speculation is judging speed in a scan of transformation in a scan that does not show time, its my speculation that it takes a few hours, its your speculation that its instant, unelss theres an official source that states he can do it instantly or something in the OVA you can show me then the point is moot

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. He became a star almost right after he left....and has grown more powerful, he went from the farthest limits of the universe in 3 years...he is in his fetal position(as pathetic as this may sound) thruout battles alot. and he can tele.

2. Okay. What has Kain's shield been hit by? Weak attacks that couldn't even destroy a city? Okay, Pyron can easily destroy it. Funny how you defeat yourself with your own logic, eh? Also, it has taken any and all attacks in the OVA and in-game.

3. No proof of his limit.

1.lol you keep saying he can tele, i already know that one....the size of the unvierse cannot be proven either, this could also be hyperbolic since we do not actually see him go, the farthest limits or furthest reaches is often an extremely hyperbolic phrase, in our unvierse there are no furthest reaches and this universe is not the real earth so this unvierse could be tiny in size in comparison so either of our guesses is speculation so how fast he moves and judging distance is a moot and void point.

2. not quite, you see you missed the part where i said "stated", its been stated that it deflects physical AND magical attacks, and it is not running off of a percentage or energy based shield, only duration of the shield, as ive shown you already it says this, wheras there are no offical specifications of pyrons shield that we have seen

3. read hte point above, the proof is in the fact he doesnt gain NEW abilities at all, at least not as diverse as what it would take for omnipotence

Originally posted by Darth Extecute
1. So, basically you are mature enough to go "worse" on me, simply because I called you a fanboy.. which you are.. your signature basically screams it out

2. I dont deny it.. I just cant see it.. Where does it say/indicate that he travel in the said speed, and where does it say that he can travel in the same speed for 3 years..

3. Mhm..

4. "He wasnt omnipotent.. not yet"

2. Where does it say that? It doesn't, it is called logic, he flew from one side of the universe to Earth in 3 years, you want proof he didn't have to stop? He was a star seen from earth for part of the time he was flying. I can easily get a scan to confirm this.

3. Superman Prime beats Kiljaedan...maybe even Pyron.

4. "His only limits being the boundaries of his mind"

Also, if he was omnipotent, you do realise he could easily kill Sargeras, Highfather, the Old Gods, and pretty much the entire Warcraft universe with but-a-thought, right?

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. And your avy screams out Blizzard fanboyism? You called me a fanboy, I said don't post at all if you're gonna bash, you said it's not bashing if its true, then I called you a fanboy, and now you are calling me immature, when you are the one being immature. Your logic is frickin amazing. I have been trying for a few posts now to settle this, in a non-bashing way, but you won't.

2. Where does it say that? It doesn't, it is called logic, he flew from one side of the universe to Earth in 3 years, you want proof he didn't have to stop? He was a star seen from earth for part of the time he was flying. I can easily get a scan to confirm this.

3. Superman Prime beats Kiljaedan...maybe even Pyron.

4. "His only limits being the boundaries of his mind"

Also, if he was omnipotent, you do realise he could easily kill Sargeras, Highfather, the Old Gods, and pretty much the entire Warcraft universe with but-a-thought, right?

2. oh i see, so your saying he has no logic? where does it say he was at the edge of the universe at the same time he was called back? for all you know or any of us know he could be only small distance away considering you can see him anyway and he is unlikely to be floating about the edge of the unvierse, he could easily of been on his way half way back through the unvierse anyway, you cant neccerily see a star from as far away as the edge of the unvierse (as far as you can get to it anyway in the real universe) in our universe.

3. how did SMP get into this convo

4. since you seem to be able to comprehend that omnipotence means a being can do anything it can and wishes to do, it makes me laugh to thnk you belive pyron has any possibility of being such, theres no way he could blink anything out of excistence

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. please dont just post the vid, tell me the exact times you think he is attacking from within his shield and the times he is moveing through his own power through his shield, after demitri attacks him he is in his shield and is getting sent backwards, yet he cannot attak back while in his shield...so then he forms into a spinning attack and attacks, the same happens against that Hutzil robot and that other being, it attacks, he shields then comes out the shield to attack

2. his mind has a greater area of vision....thats about it, his overall intelligence is nothing on killy thats for sure

well youve been saying he instantly does it so many times, so how fast is it in your mind? the scans do not show time, thats the problem, ime sure Utriga is likely to agree and ime quite sure he knows more on comics than you do. those 4 scans and the scans in the pyron respect thread do not show time.

3. yes it can because he doesnt have half the abilities or gain new abilities from anything, his old ones just seem to get stronger and he gets bigger, thats it....he could not become omnipotent even if he ate a billion universes and one, because he doesnt actually gian new abilites, he does not use magic either.

4. whats speculation is judging speed in a scan of transformation in a scan that does not show time, its my speculation that it takes a few hours, its your speculation that its instant, unelss theres an official source that states he can do it instantly or something in the OVA you can show me then the point is moot

1.lol you keep saying he can tele, i already know that one....the size of the unvierse cannot be proven either, this could also be hyperbolic since we do not actually see him go, the farthest limits or furthest reaches is often an extremely hyperbolic phrase, in our unvierse there are no furthest reaches and this universe is not the real earth so this unvierse could be tiny in size in comparison so either of our guesses is speculation so how fast he moves and judging distance is a moot and void point.

2. not quite, you see you missed the part where i said "stated", its been stated that it deflects physical AND magical attacks, and it is not running off of a percentage or energy based shield, only duration of the shield, as ive shown you already it says this, wheras there are no offical specifications of pyrons shield that we have seen

3. read hte point above, the proof is in the fact he doesnt gain NEW abilities at all, at least not as diverse as what it would take for omnipotence

Hey, I gotta go, I'll get to your other points later.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. And your avy screams out Blizzard fanboyism? You called me a fanboy, I said don't post at all if you're gonna bash, you said it's not bashing if its true, then I called you a fanboy, and now you are calling me immature, when you are the one being immature. Your logic is frickin amazing. I have been trying for a few posts now to settle this, in a non-bashing way, but you won't.

2. Where does it say that? It doesn't, it is called logic, he flew from one side of the universe to Earth in 3 years, you want proof he didn't have to stop? He was a star seen from earth for part of the time he was flying. I can easily get a scan to confirm this.

3. Superman Prime beats Kiljaedan...maybe even Pyron.

4. "His only limits being the boundaries of his mind"

Also, if he was omnipotent, you do realise he could easily kill Sargeras, Highfather, the Old Gods, and pretty much the entire Warcraft universe with but-a-thought, right?

1. I am a fanboy and proud of it.. I dont see why you get offended for being suggested a fanboy of Pyron..

2. Its called logic to make things up? Sure, bring in any scans of proof you got there.. I do not doubt his stamina much, but his speed.. I doubt a lot..

3. Who cares about Superman at all? He isnt a part of this fight..

4. Can you link where that says? Limit in that case could very well be the places and people he could conquer.. Not neccessarily that his powers are limitless.. Kil'Jaeden is in near exact words said to have near limitless amounts of magic..

- I know what it would mean if he was omnipotent.. I do believe he would still serve Sargeras though.. He "sold his soul" to Sargeras and is bound to him.. In the book it says that with those powers in his grasp, he could destroy worlds with a mere thought.. It also says that unfortunatly he doesnt have it.. not yet.. So, he had to manually scout for Velen and destroy him..

Originally posted by Burning thought
no ime not an expert on comics, but i can tell you Utriga here is into comics, and ill ask him..Utriga is there no possible way that if Pyron is the size of a large building in one scan and then in the next the size of jupiter that this can be anything other than instant? from scan to scan....or is V2D talking BS?

I cannot see that happen that a person can grow that quick, like Galactus for instance he can grow to the size of a sun in one scan but he doesn't do so immidiately, and to my knowlegde from comic none does.

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb260/DarkCrawler90/Galactus%20Respect%20Thread%20II%20Energy%20Manipulation/005-Growsintothesizeofastar-Rom27.jpg

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Like I said, I'll take your word for it.

Cool.

2. He doesn't have a physical body to produce fatigue toxins, it is literally impossible for him to tire. And he can fly nonstop at billions of times lightspeed for 3 years as well.[/B]

Isn't he limited to max 3 Mach in this fight and he needs momentum to build up his speed.

3. I still don't consider that concrete to be honest, but I will concede and just agree that he is stronger with his shields.[/B]

Okay I will by a scanner and show you the proof.

4. He has absorbed entire planets. 😐 Why can't he absorb one person? His shields can grow as big as him(well, bigger to cover his body). Yes, the same shields in respect thread, and in gameplay as well.[/B]

He has to grow to a size that is bigger then the target in order to absorb it, also there is a difference between a planet and a person and because he can do it to a planet doesn't mean he can do so against one person. Unless of cause you can provide a scan ore movie clip of him doing so.

5. Not to me. [/B]

Okay then we have a different view on what happend.

Originally posted by Darth Extecute
1. I am a fanboy and proud of it.. I dont see why you get offended for being suggested a fanboy of Pyron..

2. Its called logic to make things up? Sure, bring in any scans of proof you got there.. I do not doubt his stamina much, but his speed.. I doubt a lot..

3. Who cares about Superman at all? He isnt a part of this fight..

4. Can you link where that says? Limit in that case could very well be the places and people he could conquer.. Not neccessarily that his powers are limitless.. Kil'Jaeden is in near exact words said to have near limitless amounts of magic..

- I know what it would mean if he was omnipotent.. I do believe he would still serve Sargeras though.. He "sold his soul" to Sargeras and is bound to him.. In the book it says that with those powers in his grasp, he could destroy worlds with a mere thought.. It also says that unfortunatly he doesnt have it.. not yet.. So, he had to manually scout for Velen and destroy him..

And example of a fanboy statement: "I don't know who any of those people are, but I can say for sure that Cyber Gouki can easily one shot them"

See, this fanboy, despite his admitted lack of knowledge on the characters, immediately says his favorite character would easily win. And I based this on a real post btw.

2. I can get the scan of him appearing like a star thruout those three years of descent, but I will have to upload it into Photobucket first.

My other argument, is less practical, but let us be honest, it would be ridiculous if Pyron could not go faster than light, I mean, come on, otherwise it would take a VERY long time to even get to the next planet.

3. Superman Prime is part of every fight. 313

4. I will get the scan, it is first scan on his respect thread I think, and it was clearly talking about his power.

Also, it is impossible to have near limitless magic, you either do or you don't, that's like saying almost infinate, tho it can be translated as very high.

No, if he was omnipotent, he would blink Sargeras from existance and rule the universe.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. There is a difference between a fan and a fanboy, truthfully, I don't really think of you as an actual fanboy.

And example of a fanboy statement: "I don't know who any of those people are, but I can say for sure that Cyber Gouki can easily one shot them"

See, this fanboy, despite his admitted lack of knowledge on the characters, immediately says his favorite character would easily win. And I based this on a real post btw.

2. I can get the scan of him appearing like a star thruout those three years of descent, but I will have to upload it into Photobucket first.

My other argument, is less practical, but let us be honest, it would be ridiculous if Pyron could not go faster than light, I mean, come on, otherwise it would take a VERY long time to even get to the next planet.

3. Superman Prime is part of every fight. 313

4. I will get the scan, it is first scan on his respect thread I think, and it was clearly talking about his power.

Also, it is impossible to have near limitless magic, you either do or you don't, that's like saying almost infinate, tho it can be translated as very high.

No, if he was omnipotent, he would blink Sargeras from existance and rule the universe.

1. I'm a boy, and a fan 😉

2. Is it true sized Pyron in this fight?

3. I need to open my eyes more 😐

4. I dont remember exactly what the book said, but I believe it was something like "Near limitless powers"

It will forever be speculations, because Blizzard wont ever have a character become omnipotent.. It would remove the thrill..

But omnipotent potentials are there, it can be seen trough logic if you know enough about the warcraft universe.. For example, the pantheon have a crazy wide amount of powers, and if they all granted their powers to one single individual, I do believe omnipotence would be the result ((This being Sargeras included in the pantheon))

Originally posted by Darth Extecute
1. I'm a boy, and a fan 😉

2. Is it true sized Pyron in this fight?

3. I need to open my eyes more 😐

4. I dont remember exactly what the book said, but I believe it was something like "Near limitless powers"

It will forever be speculations, because Blizzard wont ever have a character become omnipotent.. It would remove the thrill..

But omnipotent potentials are there, it can be seen trough logic if you know enough about the warcraft universe.. For example, the pantheon have a crazy wide amount of powers, and if they all granted their powers to one single individual, I do believe omnipotence would be the result ((This being Sargeras included in the pantheon))

2. ...What? The biggest he can get in this fight is big enough too still fit in the battle area, but I do not see the relevance.

3. Indeed. 😄

Fear him. 😐

4. Meh. Here is the scan of the Pyron quote.

Since none of the Pantheon have omnipotent power, that is incorrect. All of their powers added or multiplied would never equal limitless power, which is what omnipotence is.

Omnipotence exact meaning: "All Power"
If one has all powers but one, in logic they are near omnipotent. I stick with DE on that one, that there is near omnipotence ✅

Omnipotent is not an ability as you make it seem to be, it is a word. A word that explains the power of certain characters and in this case, a character that has all powers. However, if a character has all powers but one then he is near omnipotence, but not omnipotent 😛

No, omnipotence means limitless power or all-powerful, you either are or you aren't.

Omnipotence means "All power"

If you have all but one power, you are near to be omnipotent.