Molecule Man/Beyonder vs Living Tribunal/Spectre

Originally posted by Creshosk
JLA/Avengers never said Omniverse.

There's no evidence to support the claim that they're in the same omniverse.

As you wish.

I believe this is the evidence:

"Another Universe occupying the same Space"

Originally posted by Creshosk
Entier MARVEL Omniverse. 😐

Remember that word you choose to omit from our previous discussion on what an omniverse was and how that word is infered?

DC is not Marvel.

I have never stated that this idea (Marvel/DC) sharing an Omniverse is valid.

This is exactly why I'm arguing here, I'm against that thought,
so I haven't changed from our prior discussion.

Oh, and I agree.

Originally posted by Creshosk
No evidence to support this theory.

There's no evidence to support the hypothesis that they are both in MArvel's Omniverse.

In JLA/Avengers there is,
which is why I say it's non-canon.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Not stated on panel. CLaims are not founded.

Only you are claiming they do... aside from the misuse of the word...

Nothing to support that DC is in the MARVEL omniverse.

Not the DC Omniverse. you have no evidence to support it.

As you wish.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Remember our discussion about what an omni verse actually is and how Marvel is misuisng another word?

All I know is that Marvel and DC are completely separate realities.

Marvel has its own Omniverse, and DC doesn't concern me.

Roma or any other cat, can't do anything to DC,
just like Spectre or whoever can't do jack to Marvel.

Originally posted by Mr Master
As you wish.

I believe this is the evidence:

"Another Universe occupying the same Space"

I have never stated that this idea (Marvel/DC) sharing an Omniverse is valid.

This is exactly why I'm arguing here, I'm against that thought,
so I haven't changed from our prior discussion.

Oh, and I agree.

In JLA/Avengers there is,
which is why I say it's non-canon.

As you wish.

All I know is that Marvel and DC are completely separate realities.

Marvel has its own Omniverse, and DC doesn't concern me.

Roma or any other cat, can't do anything to DC,
just like Spectre or whoever can't do jack to Marvel.

The story is cannon. You can say it's not all you wish. You can also say roma can destroy any dc universe, except the story never says they are in the same omniverse. just that they operate on the same plane but a diffenert frequency. It was shown that Krona had caused this merging so tha the walls between realities would weaken. He wanted them to collapse on top of each other so he could witness the birth of a new reality.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The story is cannon. You can say it's not all you wish.
You can also say roma can destroy any dc universe,

I will, so long as you think its canon.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
except the story never says they are in the same omniverse.
just that they operate on the same plane but a diffenert frequency.

As you wish.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It was shown that Krona had caused this merging so tha the walls between realities would weaken. He wanted them to collapse on top of each other so he could witness the birth of a new reality.

You said this before,
it had nothing to do with JLA/Avengers writers placing DC/Marvel in the same Omniverse then,
and it has nothing to do with it now friend.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I will, so long as you think its canon.

As you wish.

You said this before,
it had nothing to do with JLA/Avengers writers placing DC/Marvel in the same Omniverse then,
and it has nothing to do with it now friend.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I will, so long as you think its canon.

As you wish.

You said this before,
it had nothing to do with JLA/Avengers writers placing DC/Marvel in the same Omniverse then,
and it has nothing to do with it now friend.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The writers had KRONA placing them on the same plane to cause thier barriers to weaken. And it didn't even say that the main realities where on the same plain. Just the outer lying universes.

Still has nothing to do with Marvel/DC sharing an Omniverse.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Your entire argument really just is a screen to push your agenda. it has nothing to do with anything. The series is cannon and roma wasn't shown in teh series and the DCU was never mentioned as part of the marvel omniverse. So your theory is washed up. you can post scan after scan and give us your opinion till you are blue in the face. It doesn't change the facts that Roma isn't mentioned,

As you wish.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Omniverse is never mentioned,

🙄

Yea but a description of the location of Marvel & DC's realities was,
and according to that location,
it would fit within the same Omniverse.

No need to mention the term, when they clearly told us,

they "SHARE the SAME Space" (if it's not the Omniverse, what other Sapce is there)

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Krona merged the universes to weaken thier barriers,

Inconsequential to pages 1 and 2 of book #1.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
and It was already shown that they weren't in the same omniverse becuz certain items and dimensions dind't exist. I.E. the IG didn't work in the DCU and the speed force didn't work in teh marvel u.

Just cause they didn't work,
doesn't mean they weren't there.

Cause if I recall, Darkseid actually put on the IG,
so it didn't work, but the IG was still accessible to DC's reality.

Which is nonsense cause they are not in the same Omniverse.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Good night.
you can give us your opinion all night.
won't change the facts of what I just said.

You mean won't change your what you believe to be facts.
And that's fine friend.

The universes, the multiverses the mega verses and the omniverses might have all shared a single border but not been within the same space until Krona pushed them there.

The omniverses were not within one another so Roma would have no authority over DC and Spectre none over marvel

You're showing a bit of desperation in your hypothesis that has no real cooraborating evidence to support, merely to get us to discard what the companies have dubbed as canon.

I might have initilly looked like this:

Originally posted by Creshosk
The universes, the multiverses the mega verses and the omniverses might have all shared a single border but not been within the same space until Krona pushed them there.

Cool,
only Krona had nothing to do with Polemachus and Qward occupying the same Space,
that was there before Krona merged Eternity & Kismet.

It's simple,

Polemachus is a whole Alternate Universe withIN the Prime Multiverse,

Qward is a whole Parallel Universe withIN the DC Multiverse.

"Another Universe, occupying the same Space,
but a different vibratory plane of reality"

There's absolutely no way for these Two Realities to "share the same Space"
unless they're both located withIN the same Omniverse.
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You disagree, that's fine, peace & love yall.
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Also
isn't kinda eerily coincidental,
that DC's 52 Universes are also separated by a vibratory plane withIN the same Space?

52 identical Earths in 52 identical Cosmos,
the Earths will occupy the same Space, each on a different vibrational plane"
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But I thought Polemachus (Marvel) & Qward (DC) shared the same Space on a different vibratory plane?

hm

Originally posted by Creshosk
The omniverses were not within one another
so Roma would have no authority over DC and Spectre none over marvel

Cool, I'd just like to know what other Space does Polemachus occupy,
if it isn't a piece of Marvel's Omniverse.

Same goes for Qward on the DC side.

Originally posted by Creshosk
You're showing a bit of desperation in your hypothesis
that has no real cooraborating evidence to support

I'm not concerned one bit friend,
I'm very confident about what I'm saying.

You say I have no evidence, that's cool.

But I'd like the evidence that supports Polemachus occupying another Space
besides the Space it occupies withIN the Prime Marvel Multiverse.

Which means you have to prove there are Two Polemachuses,
One withIn the Prime Marvel Multiverse,
and One withIN a mysterious area of Space where coincidentally Qward is a part of too.

Originally posted by Creshosk
merely to get us to discard what the companies have dubbed as canon.

Actually you can seriously believe and/or carry on what you wish.

If your argument is that they didn't place the arc withIN the same Omniverse,
then I disagree because of said reason above, and that's it.

If your argument is
that it's canon because the company dubbed it so,
that's fine,
I just don't understand why no DC name has been mentioned
in any of the Two bios with the subtle references.

Copywrite laws? Perhaps, but if it's canon how can that be an issue?

Oh well, we'll just agree to diagree.

Mornin Mr. M

LT/Spectre for the win

I wonder why we as adults just cant except the fact that the story is cannon, but that each company cant effect eachother unless a crossover is happening....hey maybe one day they will make a crossover that deals with someone using roma's crystals to destroy a dc universe....who knows

To even try and say Marvel would on their own would have roma try and destroy a dc universe is unbelievable, its only to protect and defend ones favorite characters for these sites that have versus matches that the notion was even brought up

I have seen the evidence to support this crossover as being cannon, but never would i entertain the idea roma can effect DC's universes( and it would only be to make a character win a match or seem more powerfull), and for anybody to try an argue it seems a excuse to argue for no reason

Its a story by two companies trying to make a good story and some money, they dont care about these rediculus arguments

Originally posted by starlock
LT/Spectre for the win

Wonderful, I agree.

Originally posted by starlock

the story is cannon,

but that each company cant effect eachother unless a crossover is happening

I'd like to know where this is stated,
and/or depicted, on panel or in a bio if you prefer.

Originally posted by starlock
hey maybe one day they will make a crossover that deals with someone using roma's crystals to destroy a dc universe....who knows

That's be nice.

Originally posted by starlock
To even try and say Marvel would on their own
would have roma try and destroy a dc universe is unbelievable,

That is unbelievable, good thing No one said that,
but since this is incorrectly directed at me,
I never said that.

Originally posted by starlock
its only to protect and defend ones favorite characters
for these sites that have versus matches that the notion was even brought up

You're only using your fantasies here,
cause No one said what you claimed in the post above
which lead to this presumption about Me.

But nice improve.

Originally posted by starlock
I have seen the evidence to support this crossover as being cannon,
but never would i entertain the idea roma can effect DC's universes

Well if ya'd paid more attention instead of just searching for the opportunity
to add negativity to a cool debate,
you'd realize that sarcasm (Roma or any other Marvel being) can affect DC,
was used to poke fun at the idea that this garbage should be taken seriously as canon.

In fact,
I also mentioned the Spectre, and any being that can takes out either Omniverse:

Originally posted by Mr Master
Roma or any other cat, can't do anything to DC,
just like Spectre or whoever can't do jack to Marvel.

Originally posted by starlock
(and it would only be to make a character win a match or seem more powerfull),
and for anybody to try an argue it seems a excuse to argue for no reason

I believe this fits again,

You're only using your fantasies here,
cause No one said what you claimed in the post above
which lead to this presumption about Me.

But nice improve.

Originally posted by starlock
Its a story by two companies trying to make a good story and some money, they dont care about these rediculus arguments

So why do you care so much about what we're discussing here?
Or do you just care enough to come in and disrespect everyone by calling us ridiculous?

Honestly dogs, if you don't like the debate I'm having with my intelligent peers,
don't join our fun, don't post unless it's relevant to the thread.

*note*

And Please stop telling me that I'm "protecting my favorite character"
or that I'm debating to "make a character seem more powerful"

This is an off-topic personal attack that's unfounded and inconsequential.

I'm not debating for any characters here dude,
I'm debatng against the canonicity of JLA/Avengers because of its cosmological
senselessness.

Thanks for participating,
but next time try and stay On Topic,
don't force youself to add a snide remark in your paragraphs,
and abstain from assuming so much about other posters' motives.

Peace and love yall.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Wonderful, I agree.

I'd like to know where this is stated,
and/or depicted, on panel or in a bio if you prefer.

That's be nice.

That is unbelievable, good thing No one said that,
but since this is incorrectly directed at me,
I never said that.

You're only using your fantasies here,
cause No one said what you claimed in the post above
which lead to this presumption about Me.

But nice improve.

Well if ya'd paid more attention instead of just searching for the opportunity
to add negativity to a cool debate,
you'd realize that [B]sarcasm (Roma or any other Marvel being) can affect DC,
was used to poke fun at the idea that this garbage should be taken seriously as canon.

In fact,
I also mentioned the Spectre, and any being that can takes out either Omniverse:

See right above. ^^^ (that's at the top of this page) 🙂

I believe this fits again,

You're only using your fantasies here,
cause No one said what you claimed in the post above
which lead to this presumption about Me.

But nice improve.

So why do you care so much about what we're discussing here?
Or do you just care enough to come in and disrespect everyone by calling us ridiculous?

Honestly dogs, if you don't like the debate I'm having with my intelligent peers,
don't join our fun, don't post unless it's relevant to the thread.

*note*

And Please stop telling me that I'm "protecting my favorite character"
or that I'm debating to "make a character seem more powerful"

This is an off-topic personal attack that's unfounded and inconsequential.

I'm not debating for any characters here dude,
I'm debatng against the canonicity of JLA/Avengers because of its cosmological
senselessness.

Thanks for participating,
but next time try and stay On Topic,
don't force youself to add a snide remark in your paragraphs,
and abstain from assuming so much about other posters' motives.

Peace and love yall. [/B]

Please stop thinking so much about yourself, your lucky your not worth my time anymore, i actually think you have improved your attitude and respect that in all sincerity,please dont disapoint me, your past could catch up to you again and we dont want that do we?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Wonderful, I agree.

I'd like to know where this is stated,
and/or depicted, on panel or in a bio if you prefer.

That's be nice.

That is unbelievable, good thing No one said that,
but since this is incorrectly directed at me,
I never said that.

You're only using your fantasies here,
cause No one said what you claimed in the post above
which lead to this presumption about Me.

But nice improve.

Well if ya'd paid more attention instead of just searching for the opportunity
to add negativity to a cool debate,
you'd realize that [B]sarcasm (Roma or any other Marvel being) can affect DC,
was used to poke fun at the idea that this garbage should be taken seriously as canon.

In fact,
I also mentioned the Spectre, and any being that can takes out either Omniverse:

See right above. ^^^ (that's at the top of this page) 🙂

I believe this fits again,

You're only using your fantasies here,
cause No one said what you claimed in the post above
which lead to this presumption about Me.

But nice improve.

So why do you care so much about what we're discussing here?
Or do you just care enough to come in and disrespect everyone by calling us ridiculous?

Honestly dogs, if you don't like the debate I'm having with my intelligent peers,
don't join our fun, don't post unless it's relevant to the thread.

*note*

And Please stop telling me that I'm "protecting my favorite character"
or that I'm debating to "make a character seem more powerful"

This is an off-topic personal attack that's unfounded and inconsequential.

I'm not debating for any characters here dude,
I'm debatng against the canonicity of JLA/Avengers because of its cosmological
senselessness.

Thanks for participating,
but next time try and stay On Topic,
don't force youself to add a snide remark in your paragraphs,
and abstain from assuming so much about other posters' motives.

Peace and love yall. [/B]

You can argue against the cosmological senselessness of the book all you want. It's senseless that Reed was able to out think the LT. IT was senseless that a celestial could succeed where the LT could not. It is senseless that SMP could hold Mxy at his mercy while not even being able to kill him. It's senseless that The Spectre had Turly infinite power and didn't kill the AM. it's called comics. comics are created by flawed human beings who try and make a good story and sometimes can't mesh all other established cannon well.

Originally posted by starlock
Please stop thinking so much about yourself,

It's obviously you who thinks about me,
for your post is riddled with remarks subtly directed at me.

Originally posted by starlock
your lucky your not worth my time anymore,

I wish I was never worth your time.

Originally posted by starlock
i actually think you have improved your attitude and respect that in all sincerity,

So you've taken up the mantle now?
Cause why can't you just post with respect?
Why the need to throw in the condescending remarks?
Why the need to assume that I have alterior motives in my posts?

Dude, just add you opinion, give a reason for it if you wish, and move on.
There's no need to start with "why can't we as adults"
"to protect your favorite character"
"to make your character seeem more powerful"
"seems like an excuse to argue for no reason"
"these ridiculous arguments"

Is there any need for any of this in order to get your opinion heard?

Nah friend, just stay on topic and let's be happy.

Originally posted by starlock
please dont disapoint me,
your past could catch up to you again and we dont want that do we?

glare

Master, Answer this question for me and we'll take it slow.

According to Official History, As in comics history, Has the LT ever been lower than the beyonder or MM?

I"m not talking classic or any of that. Becuz those are terms we use given that we are out side of the comics.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Master, Answer this question for me and we'll take it slow.

According to Official History, As in comics history,
Has the LT ever been lower than the beyonder or MM?

Only between 1984 & 1990

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I"m not talking classic or any of that.
Becuz those are terms we use given that we are out side of the comics.

Cool.

Hey look friend, so long as its stated at the beginning of the thread,
I don't mind involving Pre-era characters with Current ones.

Pre-retcon simply means to me, as though they were never retconned to begin with.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Only between 1984 & 1990

Cool.

Hey look friend, so long as its stated at the beginning of the thread,
I don't mind involving Pre-era characters with Current ones.

Pre-retcon simply means to me, as though they were never retconned to begin with.

LT FTW

Reece/Man from Beyond aren't worth LT's attention

Spectre is DC's issue I wish as a fan he's not a jobber just for sales anymore

Pre retcon, either MM or Beyonder would beat both Spectre and LT, but post retcon Id have to say the opposite holds true.