mavel ares vs wolverine

Originally posted by Battlehammer
It would not matter. There weight would, be what allowed them to stay in place. strength durability mean nothing. If your gunna use real world Logic then you have to use it for every character.

Your saiyng logan will go flying,but people who way 200 pounds more won't? it rediculous.

Your logic completely fails.

Not to mention Logan hardly ever goes any were when hit and when he does it less then 20 feet away.

Originally posted by lando005
i'm not saying weight is what keeps them rooted their strength and durability plays a huge factor in this, for example superman doesn't weigh that much about the same as a normal man his height and build, but he doesn't get sent flying from an average blow form another heavy hitter even though that blow would send lesser beings flying, the reason why is a lot of the energy of that punch is used to try and break his natural resistance, wolverine has a high mass related natural resistance but not soo high that a good heavy shot from a brick wont send him flying first class

thats becuase superman flys.

also your logic does not work here.

strength nor durability would have any thing to do with some one not flying away.

Logan hardly goes flying away ever. To act like he would in a kmc match is rediculous when the majority of the time he barly moves and if he moves it not even close to a mike away it more like 20 feet.

Logan been hit once in a pis filled comic a state away.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
thats becuase superman flys.

also your logic does not work here.

strength nor durability would have any thing to do with some one not flying away.

Logan hardly goes flying away ever. To act like he would in a kmc match is rediculous when the majority of the time he barly moves and if he moves it not even close to a mike away it more like 20 feet.

Logan been hit once in a pis filled comic a state away.

Sorry but i have to agree with lando on this matter. Years ago during the 1993-1994 English football (soccer to any Americans out there) season, i went to watch my team, West Ham aagainst Coventry. We had a player called Peter Butler who wasn't very big -only about 5ft8 tall, but a hard lad with it. Anyway at one point during the match, a Coventry player, who was twice the size of Butler tried to charge him off the ball. Despite being far larger this Coventry player just bounced off Pete Butler, b'cos of Butler's greater strenght and subsequent greater resistence to physical force. As i've said, this isn't an account from a fictional comic but something i witnessed in real life.

.........that becuase he smaller more compact, better center of balance........

all are things wolverine is.

..................big thing you might be missing is the fact that the person who ran into pete can't punch with 100 ton force..........which is thousands of times more force then peter weights.

any heavy hitter by both your logics would go flying far far away if hit. 100 ton force >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>thousand pound person.

the point is, if the Coventry player ran into someone of the same size as Pete Butler but who wasn't as strong-like a less fit man who carried more fat but less muscle he would knock that man over. Pete Buytler's physical strength, as a fully fit footballer gave him resistence to the force of the other player running into him. The principle is the same when applied to comic book characters. A 100 ton brick hits another 100ton brick in the face, and he may only make him flinch -he hits someone of the same size, who can only lift 5 tons, he sends him sprawling.

sorry, but your analogy fails.

The foot ball player does not punch with the force or hit with the force of power that is many thousand of times the body weight of the target.

Thing weights 400 pounds say. If he gets hit with 100 tons of power. He would go flying almost as far as the 300 pound person reguardless of there strength.

Say your foot ball play was say able to lift 200 pounds. He hit a man who roughly weight 200 pounds who was smaller and better body center.

The difference is comic characters only weight like 500 pounds ,but there throwing 100 tons of force..........

the two arnt similar to one another.

Im not saying that if Thor punched the Thing, he couldn't send him flying, but that the resistence to the force of the punch would be far greater than that of a non superhuman who weighed the same, like for instance the Kingpin. So Kingpin should be sent further than the Thing by a punch from Thor.

hammer your fogetting about one thing. If it was weight alone that mattered then a lot of these guys would be dead already as they all easily have the strenght to punch a hole though something of the same composition as their skin. For example even a calm hulk could punch a hole into a boulder made out of the same minerals as say the thing's rocky hide (by the way he weighs closer to 800lbs or over) but if he was to punch the thing with the same amount of force that wouldn't happen. The reason being although thing's hide and the unlucky boulder are comprised of the same thing , thing with his great strenght adds to his natural over all resistance and durability to the force of hulk's punch, thus more energy is required to over come thing in order to do the same amount of damage.

Originally posted by lando005
hammer your fogetting about one thing. If it was weight alone that mattered then a lot of these guys would be dead already as they all easily have the strenght to punch a hole though something of the same composition as their skin. For example even a calm hulk could punch a hole into a boulder made out of the same minerals as say the thing's rocky hide (by the way he weighs closer to 800lbs or over) but if he was to punch the thing with the same amount of force that wouldn't happen. The reason being although thing's hide and the unlucky boulder are comprised of the same thing , thing with his great strenght adds to his natural over all resistance and durability to the force of hulk's punch, thus more energy is required to over come thing in order to do the same amount of damage.

You're balling up different attributes and characteristics into one pakage. Durability and damage soak have little to nothing to do with knock back damage. Based on weight, one punch from the Hulk should send any brick into orbit... hell a punch from Spider-man would be enough to rocket the Hulk a block or two.

and the Thing isn't made of rock, his hide is a "rock like" substance, but much, much, much more durable.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You're balling up different attributes and characteristics into one pakage. Durability and damage soak have little to nothing to do with knock back damage. Based on weight, one punch from the Hulk should send any brick into orbit... hell a punch from Spider-man would be enough to rocket the Hulk a block or two.

and the Thing isn't made of rock, his hide is a "rock like" substance, but much, much, much more durable.

What we're discussing is a good debate but we are way off topic, so let's get back to the fight guys..... could i get a mod to add a poll to this due to lock in about a week

Originally posted by Battlehammer
ya tron? please show me a healing feat from ares that would let you believe he could even attempt to take 3 foot long claws to the head.

Dude, it's pretty much common knowledge. Ares is an Olympian, and unless Wolverine can scatter his molecules across a wide area, he's not killing him, or any other Olympian, regardless of where he sticks his claws. He has a better chance of killing Thor in the way you mention.

(And FYI, Wolverine's claws aren't 3 feet, otherwise his arms would drag on the ground)

I agree with opinion that as an Olympian God, Ares is almost impossible to kill, but Logan doesn't have to kill him to win.Ireckon with Wolverine's speed and skill he can carve up Ares something rotten, enough to incapacitate him. Sure, his Olympian physiology will enable him to fully heal, eventually-but for me its Wolvie 8/10 at least-and Tron is right, Wolverine's claws are not 3ft long they're only 1ft long

Ares should slaughter Wolverine more then likely he is faster smarter and should be more experienced and he quite abit stronger.

Originally posted by Tron
Dude, it's pretty much common knowledge. Ares is an Olympian, and unless Wolverine can scatter his molecules across a wide area, he's not killing him, or any other Olympian, regardless of where he sticks his claws. He has a better chance of killing Thor in the way you mention.

(And FYI, Wolverine's claws aren't 3 feet, otherwise his arms would drag on the ground)

there 1 foot long and there are 3 of them.........

also that common knowledge is a bunch of bs. Feats matter not some crap stated in hand books.

thats still one just three different ones

tool

Originally posted by lando005
I'm not basing anything on weight. The attributes that keep people from flying or being killed in one blow from a super punch would have a lot to do woith the durability of that person as well as bracing with the blow, and so on. It's he fact that it takes more energy to break their natural resistance to a blow that keeps them grounded. Where are you getting anything about weight from my statement? Also thing's sking is composed of a scilicon bases substance so that analogy still applies

your logic is failing.

You either ecpt that heavy hitters would be unable to have a battle.

or you ecpt the fact that Logan has proven time and time again to no go any were from beeing hit and if he does it only 20 or 30 feet at best

Originally posted by smashyou
thats still one just three different ones

tool

Thats what I said...........

master bruce go jack off to batman some more.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
It does not mattter. Not matter how durable you are your still gunna be flying back wards. It all about the weight. ask adam destine.

your logic is failing.

You either ecpt that heavy hitters would be unable to have a battle.

or you ecpt the fact that Logan has proven time and time again to no go any were from beeing hit and if he does it only 20 or 30 feet at best

Wolverine is written more highly up compared to his stats than anybody else. Ares is the Olympian god of war! Wolverine should get his limbs ripped off (ligaments hold the limbs on, not adamantium or bone) and should be gutted. I mean, it's a peak human fighting a class 50 warrior with who knows how many thousands of years of fighting experience. This is the god of war in a group that includes Zeus and Hercules (I know he isn't quite in the league but he's not too far behind Hercules at least)