Storm runs the all lady gauntlet.

Originally posted by Creshosk
And you prove once again you know nothing more about logical fallacyies than looking up random ones.

I'm sorry, but what "alternative" did I suggest? I was pointing out the fallacy of assuming that because she worked the outside from the inside that that meant she could work the inside from the outside.

So no as I did not suggest any alternative I did not commit the "denying the correlative."

So once again you commit the "wishful thinking" fallacy...

Both Rutog98 and I have valid arguments. Modus Ponens

Switch the biconditional around and it would still be valid.

Logically, there is absolutly nothing stopping her mind from manipulating the atmosphere through. it. PERIOD. ✅

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Both Rutog98 and I have valid arguments.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Oh, I see what you're saying.

You have a valid point.

Since Storm was able to send a psionic signal to alter the weather outside of Sue's shield while she, herself was inside, she could send a psionic signal inside of Sue's shield to create a hostile enviroment while she outside of it.

Point being, Sue's shield, as well as others' doesn't block Storm's powers from manipulating the interior. 😈

Exactly! The interior and exterior of Sue's force-field is composed of the same energy. Hence, if Ororo can control the weather on the exterior while being in the interior, she could do the reverse as well. Think of it like a brick. Both sides of a brick are composed of the same compound. If something can penetrate through it, it doesn't matter what side of the brick its on, it can penetrate it.

Originally posted by Creshosk
And you prove once again you know nothing more about logical fallacyies than looking up random ones.

I'm sorry, but what "alternative" did I suggest? I was pointing out the fallacy of assuming that because she worked the outside from the inside that that meant she could work the inside from the outside.

So no as I did not suggest any alternative I did not commit the "denying the correlative."

So once again you commit the "wishful thinking" fallacy...

This is both foolish and desperate. You have no facts to back this claim up save the fact that you hate that Ororo can do it. The force-field's interior is composed of the same energy as its exterior. Got it? In other words, the energies that compose Sue's force-field does not interfere with Ororo's powers. Sue's field is not special where it only holds things out, but can't hold anything in. It can block things out and contain because the shield acts as a shield regardless of which side you're on since its the same hyperspacial energy all the way around. BTW, Storm has also done the same thing while in Jean Grey's force-field. 😄

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Oh, I see what you're saying.

You have a valid point.

Since Storm was able to send a psionic signal to alter the weather outside of Sue's shield while she, herself was inside, she could send a psionic signal inside of Sue's shield to create a hostile enviroment while she outside of it.

Point being, Sue's shield, as well as others' doesn't block Storm's powers from manipulating the interior. 😈

Perfectly worded. This is exactly what I was trying to say.

So, in conclusion, Storm's powers works beyond shields.

Creshok doesn't have anything since the biconditional premise express the same propostion of Storm manipulating the elements in which Sue's barrier is inconsequential.

Storm wins against Sue for a number of reasons.

1) She has extremely fast reaction speeds.

Here are some scans:
http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=energyworld42xc.jpg
http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=energyworld57hb.jpg

Notice, the caption states in plain english that this gives her an advantage in any fight. Her reaction speed is definately above normal people. Sue counts as normal.

2) She doesn't have to start her lightning bolt from the sky. She can start it right on Sue. She's created thunderstorms right in the palm of her hand as shown here:

http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=smallthunderstorm2cq3.jpg

So her bolt can start right on Sue at the beginning of the fight and knock Sue out. In order for Sue to put a force-field inside of Storm, she has to project her energies from herself into Ororo. Storm's attack starts right on Sue and she has faster reaction times.

3) Storm can work her powers through Sue's force-field therefore, Sue has no real defense against Storm's powers. We see her doing that here:

http://img190.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=66129_Uncanny_X-Men_Annual_405_Page_33_122_184lo.jpg
http://img180.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=66136_Uncanny_X-Men_Annual_905_Page_34_122_101lo.jpg

She was inside Sue's force-field and controlled the weather on the other side of it. She would be able to do the reverse since they are the same thing. The force-field's interior is composed of the same energies as its exterior. Hence, Sue is able to not only block out explosions, punches, and energy blasts by putting a force-field around herself, she is also able to contain these things by putting a force-field around what she wants to contain.

Do either of you ever read back on some of your arguments and go:
"Man I'm stupid!"

Like... really. I know when I smell like shit, so how... never mind...

Sue has both solid shields and shields that are permeable.

And I like how it looks like Kitty's job is to yell at the machine.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Both Rutog98 and I have valid arguments. Modus Ponens

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Switch the biconditional around and it would still be valid.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Logically, there is absolutly nothing stopping her mind from manipulating the atmosphere through. it. PERIOD. ✅

Originally posted by Rutog98
This is both foolish and desperate.

Originally posted by Rutog98
You have no facts to back this claim up save the fact that you hate that Ororo can do it.p.b

Originally posted by Rutog98
The force-field's interior is composed of the same energy as its exterior. Got it? In other words, the energies that compose Sue's force-field does not interfere with Ororo's powers. Sue's field is not special where it only holds things out, but can't hold anything in./quote] You mean like light, how she can make herself invisible but still see, or the times when she does this by encasing her self in a force feild she doesn't have difficulty breathing?

[QUOTE=9903116]Originally posted by Rutog98
It can block things out and contain because the shield acts as a shield regardless of which side you're on since its the same hyperspacial energy all the way around. BTW, Storm has also done the same thing while in Jean Grey's force-field. 😄

You have no case. You are incorrect and you're making invalid arguments as well.

Originally posted by Rutog98
She was inside Sue's force-field and controlled the weather on the other side of it. She would be able to do the reverse since they are the same thing.

Sue once said to Emma Frost that Emma isn't the only one who has power that work at the speed of thought. Then she hit Emma with her force field.

Then there was one villain who was able to blast through Sues shield because he said that his blast is of the same wave/energy that Sue has been letting pass through her force field to maintain communication with Reed. Storm's power had an effect through Sues shield because Sue was letting it. They were helping each other in that situation.

No affirming the consequent.

Affirming the antecedant which is a valid and sound form of argument.

Sorry, Cresh.

Originally posted by psy_blade
Sue once said to Emma Frost that Emma isn't the only one who has power that work at the speed of thought. Then she hit Emma with her force field.

Then there was one villain who was able to blast through Sues shield because he said that his blast is of the same wave/energy that Sue has been letting pass through her force field to maintain communication with Reed. Storm's power had an effect through Sues shield because Sue was letting it. They were helping each other in that situation.

So somehow sue is able to consciously percieve and filter out every piece of matter/ wave that interactswith her shield, this includes whatever psionic energy(if energy at all) that Storm uses to manipulate the weather?

Your own example defeats you since I doubt if Sue knew the type of wavelength that was passing through her shield, she would have alter her shield to block it.

She didn't have time to alter it because she was in contact with Reed while they were fighting and she didn't know that the blast was of the same wave/energy that she was letting pass through her shield until after it hit her inside her shield and the villain explained how it got through her shield. If Sue knew that then she would've sacrificed her communication with Reed and altered her shield to block everything.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
No affirming the consequent.

Affirming the antecedant which is a valid and sound form of argument.

Sorry, Cresh.

🙂

Originally posted by 2damnloud
So somehow sue is able to consciously percieve and filter out every piece of matter/ wave that interactswith her shield, this includes whatever psionic energy(if energy at all) that Storm uses to manipulate the weather?

Your own example defeats you since I doubt if Sue knew the type of wavelength that was passing through her shield, she would have alter her shield to block it.

You don't have to like it, but it doesn't change the facts. 🙂

Originally posted by Creshosk
So Storm's the only one that can do that? 🙄

Strawman

Originally posted by Creshosk

You don't have to like it, but it doesn't change the facts. 🙂

The fact that affirming the antecedent is a valid sound argument?

Modus Ponens, Pal.✅

Deal

Originally posted by psy_blade
She didn't have time to alter it because she was in contact with Reed while they were fighting and she didn't know that the blast was of the same wave/energy that she was letting pass through her shield until after it hit her inside her shield and the villain explained how it got through her shield. If Sue knew that then she would've sacrificed her communication with Reed and altered her shield to block everything.

She would have??

You're under the assumption that could alter it for that attack even if she did know??

Did the text state that later Sue altered her shield to then block that form of attack??

What does this have to do with Storm's yet undefined psionic control over weather??

Again, is Sue consciously aware of every energy wave, particle other than the obvious light, maybe sound, and air to discrminately block things for which she is unaware??

What would she alter her shield to block in this fight?? And what does it have to do with villain?

Storm stops at Sue. 🙂.