Storm runs the all lady gauntlet.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Reported again.

I'm going to the administrator again.

You need to be banned like yester****ingday.

Internet tough guy alert.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
The sad thing about this thread is that the people on here cant find a reason against the people that is voting for storm and isnt using cannon facts to back up there words. What I mean by that is, it has been stated ON PANEL that storm is one of the most powerful beings on the planet but it gets down played.

I don't have the time to go look through every comic in the world but I can assure you that you would be very hard pressed to find a single comicbook hero who has not been described as "the most powerful" or "unmatchable" or "the mightiest".

Originally posted by jmcnasty
When the same thing is been said about superman its true like when superman said that he was going to punch black adam with a punch that could split the moon. Superman has never done a punch close to that BUT people use that in a battle. Another example, Superman having the power to destroy a planet. It has never been shown on panel that superman could physically destroy a planet BUT you all say that he can.

Superman has destroyed at least one planet and taken out a moon . . .

Originally posted by jmcnasty
Now everything that was stated about storm was/is on panel, why disagree with it.

Because there is no reason to disregard all of the other panels that say otherwise.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
I go by on panel feats, you all go by dreams. If it says that storm is one of the most powerful being and what ever else the hell that it said about her, if thats what the writer wants then its true.

I do personally think Storm is one of the most powerful people on the planet. The sad truth is that examples of her actually functioning that way are so rare that we cannot say that is her ordinary power level. If Storm were to one day wake up go outside and solo the Xmen I wouldn't really care because it's probably within the scope of her abilities, unfortunately she has used her abilities to the potential that people like 2damn and Rutog talk about only a handful of times in decades of continuity.

Writers haven't treated Storm as a deity in years, so she's not at that level. It's really as simple as that 😬

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

Because there is no reason to disregard all of the other panels that say otherwise.

I do personally think Storm is one of the most powerful people on the planet. The sad truth is that examples of her actually functioning that way are so rare that we cannot say that is her ordinary power level. If Storm were to one day wake up go outside and solo the Xmen I wouldn't really care because it's probably within the scope of her abilities, unfortunately she has used her abilities to the potential that people like 2damn and Rutog talk about only a handful of times in decades of continuity.

Writers haven't treated Storm as a deity in years, so she's not at that level. It's really as simple as that 😬

Writers have not done that for her in years, eh? How about recently when she contained in her body the essense of abstract, Eternity?

That said, we disregard the issues that downplay her abilities because they are PIS. Also, she doesn't have to go anywhere near that goddess level to trump people like Magneto who is nowhere near god-level. There are more issues with Storm hitting higher power levels than there are for Magneto and hers beat his badly, yet look at the doubl-standards in theStorm vs. MAgneto threads.

The problem, Chaos, is people on here want to say that Storm has power levels far less that what she really has and want to disregard all of the stories that prove otherwise eventhough the writer himself has stated that Storm has the power of a goddess in interviews and has stated on panel in canon she has the ability to evolve into a real goddess and transcend humanity in X-Treme X-Men. They also want to disregard how her powers were compared to that of the Dark Phoenix as Roguestorm. Essentially, what 2Loud and I are saying is right there in canon. We're not making it up. People on here want to resist it and disregard the PIS rule.

Originally posted by Rutog98
Writers have not done that for her in years, eh? How about recently when she contained in her body the essense of abstract, Eternity?

That said, we disregard the issues that downplay her abilities because they are PIS. Also, she doesn't have to go anywhere near that goddess level to trump people like Magneto who is nowhere near god-level. There are more issues with Storm hitting higher power levels than there are for Magneto and hers beat his badly, yet look at the doubl-standards in theStorm vs. MAgneto threads.

The problem, Chaos, is people on here want to say that Storm has power levels far less that what she really has and want to disregard all of the stories that prove otherwise eventhough the writer himself has stated that Storm has the power of a goddess in interviews and has stated on panel in canon she has the ability to evolve into a real goddess and transcend humanity in X-Treme X-Men. They also want to disregard how her powers were compared to that of the Dark Phoenix as Roguestorm. Essentially, what 2Loud and I are saying is right there in canon. We're not making it up. People on here want to resist it and disregard the PIS rule.

No you're the one disregarding the PIS rule. The majority of showings is what determines PIS. The idea is to get rid of one time type feats that have little or no backing in character history. Six or seven feats in thirty seven years of history are not the average. At best they are the potential.

If you want to go by statements to support your case then CaptainMarvel is more powerful than anyone who isn't a god, UltWolverine is the most dangerous person in UMEarth (5 statements to that effect that I recall), Hulk is most powerful creature in the universe, no one is better than Wolverine at killing people, Thanos has literally become god on 3 separate occasions and Batman is a deity of some undefined sort.

You cannot take high feats and point to them as an average merely because they are within a character's powerset. Storm is very rarely portrayed as being what she can be so she simply isn't. I'm sure that plenty of people on KMC would have no problem with Storm being written as consistently more powerful but that doesn't change the fact that he is usually written as a chick who flies, shoots lightning and makes fog.

Originally posted by psy_blade
Sue still wins.
Sue has the option to block or let through Storm's powers through her shield. Of course in a fight Sue will choose to block Storms powers like how she blocked Jean's telekinesis which is also psionic in nature.
Sue's powers also work at thought speed. All she has to do is think "skin tight forcefield" and "forcefield inside head" and the fight is over.

Scans, issue #'s anything?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
No you're the one disregarding the PIS rule. The majority of showings is what determines PIS. The idea is to get rid of one time type feats that have little or no backing in character history. Six or seven feats in thirty seven years of history are not the average. At best they are the potential.

If you want to go by statements to support your case then CaptainMarvel is more powerful than anyone who isn't a god, UltWolverine is the most dangerous person in UMEarth (5 statements to that effect that I recall), Hulk is most powerful creature in the universe, no one is better than Wolverine at killing people, Thanos has literally become god on 3 separate occasions and Batman is a deity of some undefined sort.

You cannot take high feats and point to them as an average merely because they are within a character's powerset. Storm is very rarely portrayed as being what she can be so she simply isn't. I'm sure that plenty of people on KMC would have no problem with Storm being written as consistently more powerful but that doesn't change the fact that he is usually written as a chick who flies, shoots lightning and makes fog.

The purpose of the PIS rule is to give the characters their full credit since so often one character is written down for another one to look good. Also, you're not taking into account the character herself. She chooses to hold herself back. Hence when she had ultimate power in her grasp when she evolved into Roguestorm, she turned it down. She keeps herself in check, as she states in the Arena arc, because she has in her the power and potential and character to do terrible damage and not look back.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
No you're the one disregarding the PIS rule. The majority of showings is what determines PIS. The idea is to get rid of one time type feats that have little or no backing in character history. Six or seven feats in thirty seven years of history are not the average. At best they are the potential.

If you want to go by statements to support your case then CaptainMarvel is more powerful than anyone who isn't a god, UltWolverine is the most dangerous person in UMEarth (5 statements to that effect that I recall), Hulk is most powerful creature in the universe, no one is better than Wolverine at killing people, Thanos has literally become god on 3 separate occasions and Batman is a deity of some undefined sort.

You cannot take high feats and point to them as an average merely because they are within a character's powerset. Storm is very rarely portrayed as being what she can be so she simply isn't. I'm sure that plenty of people on KMC would have no problem with Storm being written as consistently more powerful but that doesn't change the fact that he is usually written as a chick who flies, shoots lightning and makes fog.

That's all well and good, but no one can ever come up with a substantial number of canonical examples that would contadict her high end showings.

You just said Superman busted a moon ONE time?? And??

How many times has he actually "speed bltzed" or used his speed in that way in character?? How bout WW??

This is all based on a popular SELF-constructed idea of limit or average of what a character can do/should do based on other factors and canon is secondary, if it's included at all.

When canon is brought up, and the feat is a little too high, then the double-standard is used in which the feat is critiqued and perfection in corroboration of narration/art is a qualifier for it's validity.

umm, didn't Cyclops beat down Storm?
😕

An example that comes to mind is Storm knocking Terminus out with winds.

The feat is then said to be a "low showing for Terminus".

Why?? Because Storm's winds can't be that strong?

And why wouldn't they be?? Cuz she's Storm??

Her winds are said to level mountains, but we can believe hyperbole of Superman's heat vision being higher than "science can measure"🙄

What about Storm throwing lighting that "shaped the newborn world"?? It's hyperbole, right??

It comes down to the who's who of the comics.

Double-standard.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
An example that comes to mind is Storm knocking Terminus out with winds.

Uncanny X-Men Annual #13 X-Men(Australian Base)/Savage Land in Ruins issue? IRRC That wasn't really Terminus. That was Garrok posing as Terminus. At the end of the story its revealed that it's Garrok. The X-Men defeat him by destroying the armour. He then atones for his sins by sacrificing himself to save the dying Savage Land with help from the High Evolutionary.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
[b]Uncanny X-Men Annual #13 X-Men(Australian Base)/Savage Land in Ruins issue? IRRC That wasn't really Terminus. That was Garrok posing as Terminus. At the end of the story its revealed that it's Garrok. The X-Men defeat him by destroying the armour. He then atones for his sins by sacrificing himself to save the dying Savage Land with help from the High Evolutionary. [/B]

It was Terminus armor.

Same difference.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
It was Terminus armor.

Same difference.

True except If I recall correctly I don't think she knocked him out or even far for that matter. He was lifted a little bit off the ground and fell into the cliff behind him IRRC.
I wouldn't say it was a low showing for Terminus for one, Garrok is a total newbie when it comes to controlling the Armour. Rogue had a good showing in that story.

Is Terminus a person or suit of armor?

Originally posted by jmcnasty
which is stupid.

I meant like Spider-man can dodge a bullet that's inches away from his body, but Daredevil and Cap can keep up with him in combat. Does that mean Daredevil and Cap have bullet dodging speed? Are bullets slow in Marvel? Does this make Spider-man slow or Daredevil and Captain America fast?

At some point Daredevil admits he can't dodge bullets, but he can knock them away with his billy club. Is Daredevil ****ing lying to me?

Kingpin is always said to be just a really strong man, but he has the strength to throw cars and match Spider-man, who is supposed to be far stronger than any human. Is Spider-man weaker than he should be or is Kingpin stronger? Is a ton in Marvel 75lbs so they match up?

Cyclops' unvisored, uncontrollable?, blast is sometimes depicted as a wide spray of energy and sometimes two tubes. Which is it? Does he have control over it? I suppose in that case it could be there is some kind of involuntary dilating going on.

Basically, the comic book world is full of on panel inconsistent showings. Some people try to average them out, some kick at only the lowest showings and ignore the higher ones, and some gawk at the highest feats and try to erase the lower ones.

Whoops

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
True except If I recall correctly I don't think she knocked him out or even far for that matter. He was lifted a little bit off the ground and fell into the cliff behind him IRRC.
I wouldn't say it was a low showing for Terminus for one, Garrok is a total newbie when it comes to controlling the Armour. Rogue had a good showing in that story.

He was off his feet the entire distance and smacked into the cliff.

He didn't fall into the cliff, he was blown.

He even comments on it.

"I'm being blown off my feet...."

Originally posted by 2damnloud
He was off his feet the entire distance and smacked into the cliff.

He didn't fall into the cliff, he was blown.

He even comments on it.

"I'm being blown off my feet...."

It doesn't look like he fell of anything.

That also doesn't seem like an unrealistic feat for Storm.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
He was off his feet the entire distance and smacked into the cliff.

He didn't fall into the cliff, he was blown.

He even comments on it.

"I'm being blown off my feet...."

I stand corrected I was recalling the event off the top of my head. He was lifted off the ground and blown a short distance into the cliff behind him which I really don't have a problem with. The thing that I was clarifying was the X-Men were taking on Garrok in a Terminus suit not the actual fat alien who knows how to use the suit. And IRRC he wasn't knocked out though which was my main point. 😬 He came back and the fight continued and Rogue then destroyed his Armour revealing Garrok inside.(I think Colossus was there as well because IRRC she absorbed his powers and then smashed into the armour)

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
Is Terminus a person or suit of armor?

I've always remembered him as a fat alien in the suit. Though I think there has been some inconsistency on the way he's portrayed. He's called Terminus IRRC and his armour the Terminus Armour.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
It doesn't look like he fell of anything.

That also doesn't seem like an unrealistic feat for Storm.

No kidding, that's a lot of surface area to catch with wind.

I don't see where he's knocked out though.

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
No kidding, that's a lot of surface area to catch with wind.

I don't see where he's knocked out though.

He was knocked out for a good portion of the story.

Storm flew off, opened a portal and went to another dimension and everything, when she got back he was up and fighting the X-men.

Some info on Terminus.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/terminus.htm

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Some info on Terminus.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/terminus.htm

I knew he was a fat alien. 😛

See I think that's where highlighting the difference between Terminus being knocked out and Garrok inside the Terminus Armour being knocked out(Or however you interpret the scene) makes all the difference. By omitting the Garrok part it makes the feat even more impressive especially when you consider some of the attacks the fat alien in the armour has recovered from. Garroks durability isn't all that so even if we do take it as being knocked out or disorientated from the collision it's well within Storms abilities. So to bring it full circle I don't think the vast majority of people would have a problem with the feat if they knew all the details.