Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
It's like the Hulk artists/writers are fearofblood in disguise.
Oh lord.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
It's like the Hulk artists/writers are fearofblood in disguise.
Oh lord.
Originally posted by llagrok
Lunatik was pretty strong.It's okay for the Hulk to knock out a watcher, but if a million year old super-powered alien who's constantly evolving does it, it's PIS?
you didn't even bother reading my postings on this matter properly, if the above is your interpretation of my comments. and moreover, you couldn't resist something as weak as "Lunatik was pretty strong" as a way of comparing him with Hulk who is "The Strongest One There Is" as far as the writers at Marvel seem to be concerned (and thus as far as the matter is concerned in sum).
what I said was that I suspect that the 'event' that shouldn't happen, "even in The Marvel Universe", is a reference to the impending and much anticipated/dreaded act of Hulk punching a Watcher.
any sane interpretation of my words would lead one to conclude that I do not consider such an action to be 'realistic' for Hulk, that I consider it to be "pushing the envelope" with regards to the character.
that is why I drew a parallel between Lunatik and Squirrelgirl, both are comedy characters and although cannon their feats are regarded as purely for laughs and do not impact upon stories unduly.
though in theory, I have nothing against The Hulk being that powerful, I just think it's a misstep as the character's greatest feat to date has been his fighting Onslaught and getting stronger than Onslaught, who though hyped as "Celestial level" seemed more like a high/top-end Skyfather.
if Hulk can thump a Watcher, I don't see any way to deny him a chance - in purely physical combat - against the abstracts 😐.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Heh... beating the Watcher? Fuk dat shit... he would nutslap Galactus and teabag Eternity!!!
1) the event in question hasn't happened yet (and might not!) and
2) the event is supposed to be Hulk punching a Watcher, nothing about "beating" nor even does that imply a confrontation.
as I said, infinite strength doesn't rule out such a feat but, I always figured that the Cosmics of that type all had infinite strength as a given... Galactus chews on Power Cosmic and pretty much anything he wants, The Celestials have their hyperspace of infinite size and Watchers are somewhere on the same level.
now if Hulk's infinite energy source is actually similar in nature to The Celestials' Hyperspace or Galactus' Power Cosmic (which it reasonably could be) then yes, Hulk should be able to smack up a Watcher or two, but he's never demonstrated that level of power. the best he's done so far is overpower Onslaught, which imo is more of a top-end Skyfather.
Originally posted by janus77
yes, way to retain your perspective and wits there.1) the event in question hasn't happened yet (and might not!) and
2) the event is supposed to be Hulk punching a Watcher, nothing about "beating" nor even does that imply a confrontation.
as I said, infinite strength doesn't rule out such a feat but, I always figured that the Cosmics of that type all had infinite strength as a given... Galactus chews on Power Cosmic and pretty much anything he wants, The Celestials have their hyperspace of infinite size and Watchers are somewhere on the same level.
now if Hulk's infinite energy source is actually similar in nature to The Celestials' Hyperspace or Galactus' Power Cosmic (which it reasonably could be) then yes, Hulk should be able to smack up a Watcher or two, but he's never demonstrated that level of power. the best he's done so far is overpower Onslaught, which imo is more of a top-end Skyfather.
Hmm I think Onslaught was supposed to be Clestial level, but maybe not at that specific time.
yeah he was stated to be at Celestial levels. when Hulk overpowered him, that was Onslaught at his strongest, most powerful so I would imagine that was when he was "at Celestial levels"...
still, I think from what we've seen, he's at best a top-end skyfather, Celestials would squish all of Earth's heroes. Onslaught just swatted everyone away bar Hulk, with whom he had the most trouble.
Originally posted by janus77
yeah he was stated to be at Celestial levels. when Hulk overpowered him, that was Onslaught at his strongest, most powerful so I would imagine that was when he was "at Celestial levels"...still, I think from what we've seen, he's at best a top-end skyfather, Celestials would squish all of Earth's heroes. Onslaught just swatted everyone away bar Hulk, with whom he had the most trouble.
Well theres this.
Originally posted by Estacado
beats Jean Grey with Phoenix Force
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well theres this.
Jean grey did not have the phoenix force at the time of those scans, it was a battle on the astral plane and onslaught was trying to get jean to take his side he was going to use her template to augment himself...since she was a phoenix avatar..somthing about onslaught unlocking her genetic code whatever...nowhere in that issue does the phoenix force appear for real....its a representation made by onslaught to entice and also to make jean doubt herself
...it has been brought up numerous times and used to put down the phoenix many of times and used to boost onslaughts feats...even at times when they knew it was a misleading scan....a poster even admitted to never reading the issue 😱
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well theres this.
still, we're dealing with an avatar and not the actual PF, bit like how Onslaught pawned Juggernaut. easy enough to do, but I doubt he'd have such a smooth ride with Cyttorak himself.
and it's worth recalling that Magneto's also bested Phoenix Jean Grey.
I think the best way to read those scans is to read them as demonstrating Onslaught attacking Jean's mind and weakening her, rather than taking on the Phoenix Force which inhabits her... that there's a distinction between Jean Grey and The Phoenix Force.
Originally posted by janus77
impressive performance by Onslaught no doubt, given that The Phoenix Force shouldn't be any weaker on the Astral Plane, than in the normal dimension of 616 reality.still, we're dealing with an avatar and not the actual PF, bit like how Onslaught pawned Juggernaut. easy enough to do, but I doubt he'd have such a smooth ride with Cyttorak himself.
and it's worth recalling that Magneto's also bested Phoenix Jean Grey.
I think the best way to read those scans is to read them as demonstrating Onslaught attacking Jean's mind and weakening her, rather than taking on the Phoenix Force which inhabits her... that there's a distinction between Jean Grey and The Phoenix Force.
It still amazes me 😱
No...... it was not the phoenix force nor the phoenix avatar....jean did not have access to the phoenix force at the time....he beat jean grey on the astral plane...the phoenix force in no way was in that issue...only onslaught manifesting a fake phoenix bird....
Originally posted by janus77
are you sure?
As sure as can be 🙂
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t474929.html
Trust me i understand how members get it wrong...but it starts with a poster who hates another member....if that member likes the phoenix...then that character gets slammed at every chance...even to the point of a member never reading the comic and referencing those scans anyway...just to put the phoenix down...if that member has people take him at his word...then the false information spreads like wildfire 😉
Originally posted by starlock
As sure as can be 🙂
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t474929.htmlTrust me i understand how members get it wrong...but it starts with a poster who hates another member....if that member likes the phoenix...then that character gets slammed at every chance...even to the point of a member never reading the comic and referencing those scans anyway...just to put the phoenix down...if that member has people take him at his word...then the false information spreads like wildfire 😉
I don't read X-Men so I'm always liable to be mistaken when it comes to their high/low showings.
Some interesting potential spoilers posted here:
http://marvelb0y.spaces.live.com/
Marvel_b0y lives.
- DO NOT READ the links if you don't want the potential spoilers! -
Supposedly
Spoiler:.
Red Hulk is General Ross. If you highlight the second link down it states that Ross is the Red Hulk.
The site is supposedly someone inside Marvel, but others have said it appears to be some kind of viral marketing ploy by Marvel, as no cease and desist letters have appeared around the site like they would if everything in the story was to be believed.
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Is it possible for the Red Hulk to be its own entity? For instance, there is no human side to revert to. The way they place Ross in #2 seems to keep him away from the direction Red came from.
Well it has been mentioned that Red Hulk will be fast enough to look like a blur to people. So if it is indeed Ross, then he would have had to either project a Red Hulk type form, or transform and move fast enough to speed blitz Iron Man.
As far as being it's own entity, well Iron Man did have the reality gem, maybe general Ross stole it? Nobody knows for certain yet.
Originally posted by janus77
yes, way to retain your perspective and wits there.1) the event in question hasn't happened yet (and might not!) and
2) the event is supposed to be Hulk punching a Watcher, nothing about "beating" nor even does that imply a confrontation.
as I said, infinite strength doesn't rule out such a feat but, I always figured that the Cosmics of that type all had infinite strength as a given... Galactus chews on Power Cosmic and pretty much anything he wants, The Celestials have their hyperspace of infinite size and Watchers are somewhere on the same level.
now if Hulk's infinite energy source is actually similar in nature to The Celestials' Hyperspace or Galactus' Power Cosmic (which it reasonably could be) then yes, Hulk should be able to smack up a Watcher or two, but he's never demonstrated that level of power. the best he's done so far is overpower Onslaught, which imo is more of a top-end Skyfather.
Originally posted by janus77
if Hulk can thump a Watcher, I don't see any way to deny him a chance - in purely physical combat - against the abstracts 😐.
Uh-huh... uh-huh...
