Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Uh-huh... uh-huh...
Watchers held their own against the Celestials, and a single Watcher fought Galactus in an alternate timeline for thousands of years non-stop. Watchers are tough creatures. If the Hulk so much as bruises one it would take a serious amount of strength, let alone knock one out. They are considered skyfather level in some cases.
Originally posted by KutuluThat wasn't the point.
Watchers held their own against the Celestials, and a single Watcher fought Galactus in an alternate timeline for thousands of years non-stop. Watchers are tough creatures. If the Hulk so much as bruises one it would take a serious amount of strength, let alone knock one out. They are considered skyfather level in some cases.
Also, not that I want to name all the bad feats of the Watchers... but Lunatik - judging by descriptions; has already done what Hulk will do. I don't see the need to make it an abstract level feat. 😬
Especially since Surfer was going h2h with Lunatik, and even KO'ed him.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
That wasn't the point.Also, not that I want to name all the bad feats of the Watchers... but Lunatik - judging by descriptions; has already done what Hulk will do. I don't see the need to make it an abstract level feat. 😬
Especially since Surfer was going h2h with Lunatik, and even KO'ed him.
it's a joke incident, nothing more.
Watchers are supposed to be around the same level as The Celestials. that means that at the very least they'd individually put up a fight against the average Celestial. which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the combined powers of ALL the Earth Skyfathers.
you know this but you're just annoyed with what you assume to be "fanboyism" regarding Hulk's stated and cannon abilities.
I'm merely saying that Hulk, going by his history of abilities, punching a Watcher would be a stretch. theoretically it is perfectly in line with his limitless strength - literally limitless, within the domains of Marvel - but it is a huge leap from his biggest feats of strength to date (Onslaught, holding together Sakaar, ripping The Celestial Flame etc). all of which seem around High Herald to High Skyfather level.
Originally posted by janus77So... you just write it off because you believe he's a joke character? Just amazing logic all around here. Bravo, bravo.
Lunatik punched a Watcher, Squirrelgirl beat Thanos.
Lunatik was a nod to Lobo, nothing more. could the Surfer of that period hold his own against Thanos? no.it's a joke incident, nothing more.
Watchers are supposed to be around the same level as The Celestials. that means that at the very least they'd individually put up a fight against the average Celestial. which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the combined powers of ALL the Earth Skyfathers.
you know this but you're just annoyed with what you assume to be "fanboyism" regarding Hulk's stated and cannon abilities.
I'm merely saying that Hulk, going by his history of abilities, punching a Watcher would be a stretch. theoretically it is perfectly in line with his limitless strength - literally limitless, within the domains of Marvel - but it is a huge leap from his biggest feats of strength to date (Onslaught, holding together Sakaar, ripping The Celestial Flame etc). all of which seem around High Herald to High Skyfather level.
Same level as Celestials? So, BB with a voice amplifier beat a Celestial? Galactus recently destroyed one with a blast? Quasar beat a Celestial? Surfer also beat a Celestial then. Lunatik punked one. Etc.
No I'm not. However, that's a rather fanboyish remark. I'm saying that beating a Watcher... even sweeping a Watcher and destroying him utterly... does not... does NOT put him in a league to fight the Abstracts.
And Lunatik punked one physically as well... so I don't see the hype around this whole feat.
I mean, you're trying to say Hulk can fight Abstracts physically just because he will hit Uatu?
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
So... you just write it off because you believe he's a joke character? Just amazing logic all around here. Bravo, bravo.
Red Hulk is a joke character then. I mean... he's red! What a joke!Same level as Celestials? So, BB with a voice amplifier beat a Celestial? Galactus recently destroyed one with a blast? Quasar beat a Celestial? Surfer also beat a Celestial then. Lunatik punked one. Etc.
No I'm not. However, that's a rather fanboyish remark. I'm saying that beating a Watcher... even sweeping a Watcher and destroying him utterly... does not... does NOT put him in a league to fight the Abstracts.
And Lunatik punked one physically as well... so I don't see the hype around this whole feat.I mean, you're trying to say Hulk can fight Abstracts physically just because he will hit Uatu?
and yes The Watchers are stated to be near the levels of The Celestials, and we have seen how awesomely individual Celestials tower over ALL the Earth Skyfathers combined.
Lunatik was a comedy character ala Squirrelgirl, you want to dispute this, seriously?
why not take Squirrelgirl to be a perfectly legitimate and 'serious' character? would you dispute Squirrelgirl > Thanos?
Lunatik was introduced and gotten rid of in one Surfer fight, iirc. the whole thing was stylistically surreal and Lunatik's behaviour and tone was just as comedic as his feats.
we make these judgements based on tone and dialogue, like when discerning CIS and PIS within cannon stories. if you wish to dispute it, you will invariably end up drawing an arbitrary line somewhere else, it's just that Lunatik's comic value is quite evident from style and lack of dramatic substance. something clearly not the case with Red Hulk. the fact that it is an on-going story should tell you that Marvel and the writers intend for it to have weight and 'seriousness' within the MU.
Originally posted by janus77
you're being dense there 🙁 read what I said again, I have stated that if he makes the 'leap' to fighting a Watcher, then it opens up paths and arguments I consider undesirable (hence the Abstract comment I made, which you and idiot jeb both misread 😐).and yes The Watchers are stated to be near the levels of The Celestials, and we have seen how awesomely individual Celestials tower over ALL the Earth Skyfathers combined.
Lunatik was a comedy character ala Squirrelgirl, you want to dispute this, seriously?
why not take Squirrelgirl to be a perfectly legitimate and 'serious' character? would you dispute Squirrelgirl > Thanos?
Lunatik was introduced and gotten rid of in one Surfer fight, iirc. the whole thing was stylistically surreal and Lunatik's behaviour and tone was just as comedic as his feats.
we make these judgements based on tone and dialogue, like when discerning CIS and PIS within cannon stories. if you wish to dispute it, you will invariably end up drawing an arbitrary line somewhere else, it's just that Lunatik's comic value is quite evident from style and lack of dramatic substance. something clearly not the case with Red Hulk. the fact that it is an on-going story should tell you that Marvel and the writers intend for it to have weight and 'seriousness' within the MU.
Stated, and shown are two different things. The Watcher's best feats pale in comparison to almost anything any Celestial has ever done. And Celestials don't get beat by Rookie Quasar.
Lunatik was more so Deadpool akin. He wasn't overly powerful, and all he brought was comic relief rather than beating multiversal beings (ala SG). SG uses regular squirrels to beat enemies... Doom, Thanos, MODOK... are you seriously trying to even compare the two in the way they were written? Lunatik used brute strength to accomplish his feats...
Plus, Lunatik had his own mini, appeared in a mini of Marvel presents, appeared in Thanos's 12 issue series, and was disposed of by Drax (which didn't seem to be the way of how the creators would have wanted him to go out).
Fine... I want to write off anything Deadpool has ever done.
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Watcher's have been beaten by Surfer (Surfer beat an upgraded one as well), and Quasar as well. This feat of Red Hulk's is seriously going to be blown out of proportion if you believe it opens the door for him to fight abstracts.
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Well it's not Red Hulk but it could be interesting.......mmm
http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.3072.Weekend_Preview~colon~_Marvel_Adventures_Hulk_%2310
Originally posted by Estacado
Well it's not Red Hulk but it could be interesting.......mmm
http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.3072.Weekend_Preview~colon~_Marvel_Adventures_Hulk_%2310
It would be if Marvel Adventures were canon.
Originally posted by Estacado
Link please...313
And this...
http://www.marvel.com/catalog/?id=8766
And if I'm right... She-Hulk manages to hurt Hulk, even punch him around...
Awesome.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
And this...
http://www.marvel.com/catalog/?id=8766And if I'm right... She-Hulk manages to hurt Hulk, even punch him around...
Awesome.
HULK #5
Written by JEPH LOEB
Pencils & Cover by ED MCGUINNESS
Variant Cover by OLIVIER COIPEL
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