Phoenix vs

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Originally posted by Xplosive
I agree. It was everything because of Jean. Thats is why Vulcan did what he did, breaking into the M'Kraan, also toring pieces of PF out of others. That is why I also think Jean can bring those Vulcan killed in the WHR.

For high end cosmic entities, and marvel hold ludicrous fictional writing.
It would not be shocked if the PF, can restore a soul.

Even though the M’Kran crystal is unique in all realities. And is the Nexus’s of realties. I would isolate this event, from the main plot (616 marvel) for obvious reasons.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
The WHR Is located inside the M'Kraan Crystal. Vulcan enters the WHR through the M'Kraan Crystal the same way Xavier did. The same way Psylocke and Rachel did. The same way Jamie did.

You then have Kid Omega protest that he's not supposed to be here that he would have been better off had he died in his Mothers Womb.

Then you have Vulcan feel the power steal it, kill every member of the Phoenix Corps and steal Rachel and Korvus' Force.

He absorbs the entire Force and can hear Jean inside him. The force is consuming him similar to how it did with Emma in Endsong. The Force reacts poorly to negative emotions and this was picked up in Warsong when Celeste was able to act as a host. After a fight with his family he gives up the Force releasing it and then dying. He then lands up in the WHR and see's "Jean Force" appear.
Anyway since the WHR is the nexus of all realities I guess it's only Kid Vulcan and Jean in the WHR now.



Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Difference here is he wiped out the souls of those Phoenix Corps in the WHR
and then absorbed their power and then killed them
.
The souls of the dead "Phoenixes" go there and wait to be reborn.
Vulcan wiped them out so who knows how that works.
With no soul there's no way of coming back.
Having your physical form destroyed is one thing.
Having your soul form destroyed is another
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Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Jeans soul was in the WHR in Here Comes Tommorrow. Here body was only transported to the WHR during the events in Endsong.
QQ still has a body which is lying in the mansion. His "soul" however is well was in the WHR until it got destroyed. Jean is the only Phoenix who ascended to the WHR with both body and soul.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Then the Force came to Earth to look for its fragments( Apparently it considers Jeans Body one of those fragments) in Endsong and took it to the WHR.

Also in Classic X-Men #43 she died and became a White Phoenix and met death her physcial body was placed in a grave then as well IRRC so I presume it was her soul that met death.


Originally posted by ExodusCloak
If that is the case then it wasn't her real physical body in the HCT arc it was the Phoenix that created a duplicate of her body for her like it did in that Classic X-Men issue. And her real body was lying in her grave on Earth.

Fair point about her grave back then but it still doesn't change the fact that Quentin Quires body(Which we saw in Warsong) did not ascend to the WHR. Only his soul/"consciousness" did. His body is still lying in the basement. When Vulcan destroyed him. Vulcan absorbed his Phoenix powers and then attacked and destroyed Quentin in his soul form somehow.

That's assuming she can ressurect something where no soul exists anymore and that they didn't create this story to get rid of more Phoenix convolution eg the Phoenix Corps.


👆 I agree.

I got the same results after reading all the relevant issues.