Fun with Infinity

a very well fed Galactus sits on the moon, having constructed a space bridge from the Earth to the Moon.

The Flash, The Silver Surfer, Thor, Superman, The Hulk and Juggernaut all take turns, going from the Earth to the Moon and attempting to PUNCH Galactus off it (or obliterate him entirely).

since Flash' IMP is just a punch delivered at speeds approaching or exceeding C, then it's pretty certain that Superman and Surfer will similarly be able to deliver them. Thor's supposed to have 3x C, perhaps he could do it too.

Hulk's strength has no top end to it, and his muscles will not fatigue so he can obviously just continue to get more and more powerful on the way to the Moon.

Juggernaut won't really benefit from any of that, but maybe he can barge/push/punch Galactus off the Moon.

in this scenario, Galactus promises not to hold a grudge nor swat any of the competitors aside, nor unduly favour Surfer. Galactus will be a good sport ✅.

so, who can do it, who can "IMP" Galactus' arse off the Moon, and moreover who can do it the fastest?

Originally posted by janus77
a very well fed Galactus sits on the moon, having constructed a space bridge from the Earth to the Moon.

The Flash, The Silver Surfer, Thor, Superman, The Hulk and Juggernaut all take turns, going from the Earth to the Moon and attempting to PUNCH Galactus off it (or obliterate him entirely).

since Flash' IMP is just a punch delivered at speeds approaching or exceeding C, then it's pretty certain that Superman and Surfer will similarly be able to deliver them. Thor's supposed to have 3x C, perhaps he could do it too.

Hulk's strength has no top end to it, and his muscles will not fatigue so he can obviously just continue to get more and more powerful on the way to the Moon.

Juggernaut won't really benefit from any of that, but maybe he can barge/push/punch Galactus off the Moon.

in this scenario, Galactus promises not to hold a grudge nor swat any of the competitors aside, nor unduly favour Surfer. Galactus will be a good sport ✅.

so, who can do it, who can "IMP" Galactus' arse off the Moon, and moreover who can do it the fastest?

WHAT!? You dare to defile the legent of the "IMP" by saying that just since Thor swings his hammer at 2x light speed he comes within a similar damage potential!

Blasphemy!

Originally posted by Kutulu
WHAT!? You dare to defile the legent of the "IMP" by saying that just since Thor swings his hammer at 2x light speed he comes within a similar damage potential!

[b]Blasphemy! [/B]

umm, well ... I had a look for the IMP and found it was just an application of Einstein's famous theory. so... I guess ALL characters that can go beyond lightspeeds can do IMPs. why restrict it to The Flash?

Surfer should be able to out IMP The Flash, hell he should be able to destroy the universe with the amount of mass he'd rip up on his way to C.

Originally posted by janus77
that's 3x C 😉

umm, well ... I had a look for the IMP and found it was just an application of Einstein's famous theory. so... I guess ALL characters that can go beyond lightspeeds can do IMPs. why restrict it to The Flash?

Surfer should be able to out IMP The Flash, hell he should be able to destroy the universe with the amount of mass he'd rip up on his way to C.

But Surfer enters Hyperspace in order to overcome C.

That being said, the scans of Thor going 3x lightspeed made no mention of hyperspace. So I guess going by DC fanboy logic, that would mean one hammerstrike from Thor would be 3 times the damage of an I.M.P..

Originally posted by Kutulu
But Surfer enters Hyperspace in order to overcome C.

That being said, the scans of Thor going 3x lightspeed made no mention of hyperspace. So I guess going by DC fanboy logic, that would mean one hammerstrike from Thor would be 3 times the damage of an I.M.P..

the Hyperspace and the Speedforce need not take anything away from the "science" of the IMP.

Surfer still goes through matter and planetary bodies, so does Flash, just both at speeds surpassing C.

Originally posted by janus77
Surfer chooses to enter hyperspace, if I'm not mistaken. he's gone faster than light in Earth too, scanning the entire planet in a couple of seconds.

the Hyperspace and the Speedforce need not take anything away from the "science" of the IMP.

Surfer still goes through matter and planetary bodies, so does Flash, just both at speeds surpassing C.

Ahh but you forget, this is KMC where if a DC character and a Marvel character to the same thing, it's obvious that the DC character's version is more powerful, for example Flash's I.M.P. > Thor throwing his hammer at 2C.

surfer has never gone ftl on earth

And flash still has the hardest punch here

He can punch over 100k times the speed of light

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
surfer has never gone ftl on earth

And flash still has the hardest punch here

He can punch over 100k times the speed of light

^^ Case in point.

lol,
true.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
surfer has never gone ftl on earth

And flash still has the hardest punch here

He can punch over 100k times the speed of light

and also, he CAN go FTL on Earth since he doesn't require anything more than his board (if that) to go from a standing start to many thousands (millions, iirc) of multiples of the speed of light.

if Surfer was wont to do so, I'm sure he could throw punches at 100s of thousands of times C. it's just a given for any character that can operate at speeds approaching and surpassing C.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
surfer has never gone ftl on earth

And flash still has the hardest punch here

He can punch over 100k times the speed of light

do you guys actually think that is cool? i mean, why are there still villians in his comic?

Surfer doesn't have villains so much as neurosis 😕, and Thor's fighting Godlings, so it suits him to have that kind of power.

For whatever reasons, the writer of the Flash wanted to portray and exploit some relativistic effects of near luminal speeds, while 'Deus Ex Machina'ing the rest.

For unrelated reasons, other writers of fast characters have chosen to ignore these effects, perhaps considering them eliminated by Thor's magic, the Surfer's power cosmic, Superman's S-Shield, et cetera.

The Surfer has never used an infinite mass bullrush, and there has been no mention of him experiencing any sort of relativistic effects due to his near-light speed travel. Similarly for Thor's few showings of C-speed. To pretend that either character is capable of taking advantage of said effects is a joke - it's something neither has ever displayed in their past.

Originally posted by Soljer
For whatever reasons, the writer of the Flash wanted to portray and exploit some relativistic effects of near luminal speeds, while 'Deus Ex Machina'ing the rest.

For unrelated reasons, other writers of fast characters have chosen to ignore these effects, perhaps considering them eliminated by Thor's magic, the Surfer's power cosmic, Superman's S-Shield, et cetera.

The Surfer has never used an infinite mass bullrush, and there has been no mention of him experiencing any sort of relativistic effects due to his near-light speed travel. Similarly for Thor's few showings of C-speed. To pretend that either character is capable of taking advantage of said effects is a joke - it's something neither has ever displayed in their past.

Unless Thor went to DC Universe, where every hammer throw would be an Infinite Mass Punch x 2. 😆

As Soljer touched on...

While characters in Marvel are capable of > light speeds -- it doesn't automatically mean they are capable of achieving 'infinite mass'.

A true IMP is only accomplished because of Flash's connection to the Speed Force -- the IMP is a plot device within a plot device, really.

Originally posted by Soljer
For whatever reasons, the writer of the Flash wanted to portray and exploit some relativistic effects of near luminal speeds, while 'Deus Ex Machina'ing the rest.

For unrelated reasons, other writers of fast characters have chosen to ignore these effects, perhaps considering them eliminated by Thor's magic, the Surfer's power cosmic, Superman's S-Shield, et cetera.

The Surfer has never used an infinite mass bullrush, and there has been no mention of him experiencing any sort of relativistic effects due to his near-light speed travel. Similarly for Thor's few showings of C-speed. To pretend that either character is capable of taking advantage of said effects is a joke - it's something neither has ever displayed in their past.

it's simple reason. if Flash's "infinite mass" comes from the fact that he travels at C (and above) whilst swinging his fist, then it is a PERFECTLY REASONABLE supposition to make that, when in KMC versus battles rivals with the ability to do multiples of C will also be doing multiple "IMPs".

bluster isn't very good as a form of rebuttal.

Surfer doesn't need to show IMPs, he merely needs to demonstrate that he can move his hands are lightspeeds and beyond, which he did and does, often. the infamous failure to grab the IG from Thanos being the most embarrassing demonstration of the basic ability.

Thor just hits shit with Mjolnir at lightspeed, that's all he'd need to do in a vs battle with Flash.

Originally posted by Galan007
As Soljer touched on...

While characters in Marvel are capable of > light speeds -- it doesn't automatically mean they are capable of achieving 'infinite mass'.

A true IMP is only accomplished because of Flash's connection to the Speed Force -- the IMP is a plot device within a plot device, really.

does Thor or Surfer ever provide a reason why they do not obtain infinite mass, seeing as that would be the default expectation when travelling at C?

Originally posted by janus77
nope, doesn't have anything to do with the Speedforce. it is a selective application of 'real world' physics. and if we're going to accept IMP for Flash, we accept it for anyone who can physically throw a punch whilst travelling at speeds around C.

does Thor or Surfer ever provide a reason why they do not obtain infinite mass, seeing as that would be the default expectation when travelling at C?

Surfer enters Hyperspace. That is his explanation.

Thor well... he's just damn powerful and does it straight up.

I love it, the same people complaining about Hulk holding up 150 billion tons just glance over selective use of relativistic thoerem when it comes to their DC characters. lmao

Originally posted by janus77
nope, doesn't have anything to do with the Speedforce. it is a selective application of 'real world' physics.

Then would you mind explaining to me how Zoom, [who was BY FAR Flash's superior, speed-wise], wasn't IMP'ing every single time he hit someone?

I have an explination -- could it be because Zoom isn't connected to the Speed Force, thus is unable to achieve the mass required for an IMP?

imo,
It is nowhere near as cut-and-dry as you are trying to make it sound.