Thanos vs Thor and Superman

Started by Ouallada8 pages

Originally posted by Larceny
Nope it was irrelevant. He didn't have Mjolnir, why he didn't have it was irrelevant as it had no relation to the death of Hulk.

Which he is, and can be discussed in the proper thread. The "Can Thor defeat these two characters thread should suffice". However as long as we talk about Mantis, we must also discuss the "brick". Your choice.

I don't have to prove anything. I made no claim, however you did. That claim being that Hulk wasn't as powerful then as he usually is, something you can't prove. Hence the reason you made the attempt to place the burden of proof on me.

I know what happened, I've read each fight and Hulk hasn't defeated Thor more times than Thor's defeated Hulk, but again, since you made the claim the burden of proof is placed upon you. 🙂

Context. Allowing for your bias towards one of the characters, putting the feat into the correct context makes it all the more relevant. A great example being that one of Thor's supposed victories over SS is during B&T, a context which no sane or unbiased person would ignore. I simply made sure everyone knew that Thor not having Mjolnir was due to his own failings, not down to his choice, or some noble aspiration.

This has more to do with your illogical supposition that Thor > SS based on two contextually-heavy fights. Since we ARE discussing Thor and the threat he poses to Thanos, it is quite pertinent to discuss the matter of him having a losing record against hulk.

The proof of hulk being a lot less than he was as far as durability goes is obvious. Hulk has survived from being incinerated, eaten, and many other things that are far worse than getting impaled. Do you agree or disagree with this?

What burden of proof is there besides the ability to count the number of wins hulk has had? You may not accept it, but do forgive me if I find you an unreliable source on this.

If Thor > SS due to context, Hulk > Thor. Insert smiley.

Originally posted by Larceny
Ok I may be wrong. One more question. In what way did Thor utilize the odin power?

The fact that it is an odin-powered Thor invalidates him from the discussion.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Context. Allowing for your bias towards one of the characters, putting the feat into the correct context makes it all the more relevant. A great example being that one of Thor's supposed victories over SS is during B&T, a context which no sane or unbiased person would ignore. I simply made sure everyone knew that Thor not having Mjolnir was due to his own failings, not down to his choice, or some noble aspiration.

This has more to do with your illogical supposition that Thor > SS based on two contextually-heavy fights. Since we ARE discussing Thor and the threat he poses to Thanos, it is quite pertinent to discuss the matter of him having a losing record against hulk.

The proof of hulk being a lot less than he was as far as durability goes is obvious. Hulk has survived from being incinerated, eaten, and many other things that are far worse than getting impaled. Do you agree or disagree with this?

What burden of proof is there besides the ability to count the number of wins hulk has had? You may not accept it, but do forgive me if I find you an unreliable source on this.

If Thor > SS due to context, Hulk > Thor. Insert smiley.

I always felt Surfer was above Thor. I mean yes Thor is versatile and thats one of the things allot of people give him wins for, but Surfer is on another level of versatilely.

Originally posted by Tommy05
I always felt Surfer was above Thor. I mean yes Thor is versatile and thats one of the things allot of people give him wins for, but Surfer is on another level of versatilely.

He certainly can take at least a split from Thor. Simply put, I dislike the hulk, and hulk is definitely < Thor, but using SS' and Thor's only fights (one in which SS was weakened by drainage, and one in which Thor had wm and PG) as irrefutable evidence that SS < Thor simply calls for similarly stupid logic to be used against Thor.

Originally posted by Ouallada
The fact that it is an odin-powered Thor invalidates him from the discussion.

One would be required to use the odin power for them to be considered "Odin powered". While he was Odin powered during a portion of the fight, midway through the battle his connection was severed.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/Thorvseverybody5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/Thorvseverybody7.jpg

Notice how Strange says the Odin power is no longer his.

Originally posted by Larceny
One would be required to use the odin power for them to be considered "Odin powered". While he was Odin powered during a portion of the fight, midway through the battle his connection was severed.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/Thorvseverybody5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/Thorvseverybody7.jpg

Notice how Strange says the Odin power is no longer his.

I've read the comic. I know what Strange said, and I was surprised at the Jurgens interview. I initially believed that Thor did not have the odin-power, which is why I questioned the validity of hulk going down so easily, but Jurgens' interview has changed the complexion of the fight.

To be honest, I have always maintained that Hulk <<< Thor. I simply dislike the assertion that SS < Thor simply because of two contextual showings. I can accept that SS < Thor, but it won't be because of those two battles only.

Hopefully, you can see the difference and where I am coming from.