Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
I'm going by how badly he owned Ravenous, who was a match for him previously. It looks like Surfer is well above top tier now. He may not be on the exact same level as Thanos is currently, but he's probably at least on par with pre-ressurection Thanos.
The Top tier is the same. Thor isn't holding back, Superman has gotten upgrades, orion is still his match. everyone is upgrading, but not really becuz thier positions are still held.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlAnother problem is that most writers are pusses and they just have top tiers stalemate for the most part with no one looking superior.
The Top tier is the same. Thor isn't holding back, Superman has gotten upgrades, orion is still his match. everyone is upgrading, but not really becuz thier positions are still held.
Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
LOL, are you serious???1. Firelord only sapped some of Thor's strength with heat in one of their fights. They were stalemating BEFORE that occured. WHILE Thor was weakening due to the flames, it was not even. Firelord was overpowering Thor and choking him to death. It took all of Thor's strength to get Firelord off of him and run away.
Stalemating has nothing to do with physical strength. Odin and Zues can be stalemating each other through blasts. Yet it tells nothing of who is actually physically stronger. Second, Firelord wasn't overpowering Thor ever. Thor in his weakened state overcame Firelord's strength. So a weakened Thor is much stronger than Firelord.
2. The only time Thor gained any physical advantage against Firelord was when he was mind-controlled in their third fight (this was stated as the reason). They've matched several times and in their final fight, Thor even stated he could not beat Firelord.
How anyone could come to the conclusion that Thor is noticably stronger than Firelord from their fights is beyond me.
Hooookay. Thor and Superman's feats are arguable, but if you wanna place this game, Superman is much weaker than Terrax and Beta Ray Bill feat-wise as they've both destroyed planets with physical force, while Superman's needed help moving the moon.What does Terrax have to do with this? We are debating Firelord's physicality. Second, have you ever heard of PIS?
Superman is stronger than a thousand galaxies when sundipped only for a small moment. This is how he amps. Terrax can amp too you know. But anyway please show me where Terrax destroyed a planet with physical force. You know that Beta Ray Bill's feat is either PIS or he had a plot device (help) right?
LOL!!!!!!!! It exploded with the force of a megaton bomb because of a sound effect???"Megaton bomb" is an exaggeration. The sound effect, the picture, and the effect (Maxima, Doomsday, and Superman all knocked in the air like crazy) all show that the explosion was very very powerful.
FYI, Firelord took a similarly gigantic gas station explosion RIGHT before Spider-Man blitzed him (in the same comic, literally right before) and was unharmed.Superman wasn't harmed either. There was no scratches on him as well. What you are saying doesn't combat the fact that Superman would never job to Spiderman. This just shows that Superman and Firelord are leagues apart in the physical department.
What? It didn't do anything to Doomsday. It owned Superman and Maxima though.It knocked DD the hell in the air. Owning would require some blood or at least a tiny scratch, yet none were found on Superman.
If you really want to keep up with this petty crap though, I could mention how Wonder Woman, who's bled from Deathstroke's punches (the pain from which was likened to a knife cutting through her skull), has taken Superman's all out punches and continued fighting.
He was moving the entire time on the ground. Please look again! The first scan shows him lifting his right arm in the air while lying on the ground. The explosion itself was very powerful as shown from the scan. Yet it is still clear PIS that what happened there. Thus it is invalid.
... Hooookay. He was lying flat on the ground with his eyes closed not moving as Doomsday walked away. Exactly what do you need to see to confirm that he lost consciousness? This KO is just as clear as Spider-Man's KO of Firelord.
Not really, since Firelord took a similar explosion WITHOUT being KTFO like Superman was right before Spider-Man speedblitzed him.It's possible that Firelord wasn't even in the explosion. The scan shows him blasting the station while being far in the air. If Firelord was in the explosion (in which the scan contradicts) then all we can say is that fire is Firelord's thing (like the Sun is Superman's thing).
With all this nonsense you haven't shown or proven that Firelord won't be koed with one of Superman's punches. Answer this though:
About how many punches do you think it would take Superman to ko Firelord if Firelord let Superman hit him? Give me a maximum amount.
Bottom-line, they're still heralds. They've got enough exotic powers from energy manipulation, energy absorption, matter manipulation, cosmic senses, etc. to make Superman dizzy. And each of their battle spirits is fierce.
Nonetheless, I say that this match is pretty even, but for different reasons that most people postulate. The two combined have the ability to pool their powers and could dominate. But they are both arrogant beings and I am hard-pressed to find any instance where either of them has actually shown great tactical cunning or leadership/teamwork abilities.
They'd probably blast each other as often as they'd blast Superman. And Superman would be able to take advantage of that
Split 5/10.
Originally posted by h1a8
Stalemating has nothing to do with physical strength. Odin and Zues can be stalemating each other through blasts. Yet it tells nothing of who is actually physically stronger. Second, Firelord wasn't overpowering Thor ever. Thor in his weakened state overcame Firelord's strength. So a weakened Thor is much stronger than Firelord.Again, winning or stalemating a battle has necessarily nothing to do with whose physically stronger.
I think you are purposely trying to twist the truth because the fight is common sense.
The fight clearly shows that Thor is much stronger. In every tussle (when Thor and Firelord were wrestling) Thor overpowered Firelord. Even in Thor's weaken state Thor overpower Firelord. If Firelord was stronger than Thor then why did a weakened Thor overpower him everytime (especially when Firelord was trying to choke Thor)? Also, these fights against Thor are very impressive for Firelord, yet Thor is nowhere near Superman in the speed department. Spiderman was shown to be faster than Firelord combat wise.
There is no way in hell that Firelord should even be able to react to a Superman blitz.
So if he is as strong as 1,000 galaxies, then he is stronger than celestials, glactus etc.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ill take that as a concession.
Nah.
You haven't made any real points, and neither have I. Take the dur smiley for what it is: The Dur. I haven't been here in a while and I missed it, so I had to post it.
To be honest I don't really care about entering any long dragged out debates. Just felt like posting my opinion, and not defending it out of lazyness and not much interest.
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Originally posted by Superboy PrimeMy point is a character who can give the Surfer or Thor a battle is someone who could definitely beat Superman with Terrax's help.
Nah.You haven't made any real points, and neither have I. Take the dur smiley for what it is: The Dur. I haven't been here in a while and I missed it, so I had to post it.
To be honest I don't really care about entering any long dragged out debates. Just felt like posting my opinion, and not defending it out of lazyness and not much interest.
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