I forsee Terrax getting eventuallyl pwned by Superman 1st in this fight, but Firelord poses problems for Supes.
Whether or not Superman takes the majority here depends on if he is bloodlusted.
If he pisses around at all and fights in typical Kent style, he loses majority.
And all the speedblitz and one-shotting talk is complete and utter fanboy BS.
Originally posted by h1a8And yet, I'm still waiting for you to show me where he's beaten a herald level foe in a nanosecond. I'll keep waiting. Still waiting. Still waiting. Until then:
That's like asking me to show you where Superman has lifted a bulldozer. But by the fact that he lifted heaver or equal weighed objects proves that he can lift the bulldozer (even though I think he never did lift one).
Superman has instantly blitzed plently of beings that has awesome reflexes a countless number of times. In "nanoseconds" is just a good guess but it doesn't matter exactly since it will be (the blitz) seemingly instant to the herald. So the burden of proof is for you to actually show that a herald can not be blitzed by Superman's speed (due to their reactions and instant speed).
Split 5/10.
Originally posted by h1a8Ok, then let me show you how KMC'ers who want to prove their points do it, when someone asks for proof, they give it. When someone argues a point, they support it. I'll list two high end feats respectively for Surfer and Thor and you go ahead and let me know just how terrible their battle speed and reflexes are:
Yes greater than a human's of course. But greater than Superman (by their high end feats)? Not!There is no double standard. Because of forum rules, I used high end feats for everyone, [B]as long as it isn't PIS
. So both Surfer's and Thor's high end feats shows that they have terrible battle speed and reflexes when compared to Superman's high end feats. [/B]
1) Surfer's battle speed/reaction time. Here, Surfer breaks through a barrier and is enshackled instnatly thereafter, he then has a nanosecond to react and free himself:
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/48/marvelcomicspresents001fk4.jpg
2) Thor's battle speed/reaction time. Here Rachel Grey Pheonix shoots a telepathic bolt at Thor. Thor raises his hammer and deflects the bolt back at her. As you can see from the panel progression, he makes this entire move AFTER she had already shot the telepathic bolt.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And yet, I'm still waiting for you to show me where he's beaten a herald level foe in a nanosecond. I'll keep waiting. Still waiting. Still waiting. Until then:Split 5/10.
Ok, then let me show you how KMC'ers who want to prove their points do it, when someone asks for proof, they give it. When someone argues a point, they support it. I'll list two high end feats respectively for Surfer and Thor and you go ahead and let me know just how terrible their battle speed and reflexes are:1) Surfer's battle speed/reaction time. Here, Surfer breaks through a barrier and is enshackled instnatly thereafter, he then has a nanosecond to react and free himself:
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/48/marvelcomicspresents001fk4.jpg2) Thor's battle speed/reaction time. Here Rachel Grey Pheonix shoots a telepathic bolt at Thor. Thor raises his hammer and deflects the bolt back at her. As you can see from the panel progression, he makes this entire move AFTER she had already shot the telepathic bolt.
NOt that I think Superman wins this majority, But Surfer doing something in a nano second isn't a battle feat of speed, and Thor blocking a psy bolt isn't either. That is reflex speed and hand Eye coordination. Plus Rachel wasn't moving very fast herself. had she fired that same bolt while flying around at light speed, He wouldn't have known which way it was coming from and wouldn't have been able to react to the blast.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlHe's breaking free of a construct that is siphoning his Power Cosmic in a nano-second ambush. How is that not battle-speed? Phoenix is firing an instantaneous telepathic bolt at Thor and Thor raises his arms after she has already shot it to deflect it back. How is that not battle-speed? I thought battle-speed was not how fats you can propel yourself (that's travelling speed), but how quickly you can move your limbs and react in both offensive and defensive moves. Both scans are examples of that.
NOt that I think Superman wins this majority, But Surfer doing something in a nano second isn't a battle feat of speed, and Thor blocking a psy bolt isn't either. That is reflex speed and hand Eye coordination. Plus Rachel wasn't moving very fast herself. had she fired that same bolt while flying around at light speed, He wouldn't have known which way it was coming from and wouldn't have been able to react to the blast.
The former shows that Surfer can assess a situation, react and bring his strength to bear in a nanosecond. The latter shows that Thor is able to react defensively and move his arms fast enough to beat out a telepathic bolt's speed. And I'm not so sure it's safe to assume Thor couldn't defend or react to blasts from someone flying at great speeds:
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He's breaking free of a construct that is siphoning his Power Cosmic in a nano-second ambush. How is that not battle-speed? Phoenix is firing an instantaneous telepathic bolt at Thor and Thor raises his arms after she has already shot it to deflect it back. How is that not battle-speed? I thought battle-speed was not how fats you can propel yourself (that's travelling speed), but how quickly you can move your limbs and react in both offensive and defensive moves. Both scans are examples of that.The former shows that Surfer can assess a situation, react and bring his strength to bear in a nanosecond. The latter shows that Thor is able to react defensively and move his arms fast enough to beat out a telepathic bolt's speed. And I'm not so sure it's safe to assume Thor couldn't defend or react to blasts from someone flying at great speeds:
This scan actually makes Thor and Mjolnir looks far faster than SS. Surfer almost looks like he's standing still while Thor throws and catches Mjolnir...and SS is almost in the same place and position.
Originally posted by AvlonI see what you mean. But the way I interpret the scene is that Surfer is moving forwards and Thor is moving backwards. There arent many speed lines to indicate movement, but if you look at the top you'll clearly see speed lines trailing Silver Surfer to the left indicating he is moving forward. But if you look in front of him to the right, there are also speed lines. You don't get speed lines from stuff that's in front of you... unless... those speed lines indicate the movement of what's preceding them, in this case, Thor. So yeah, I see it as Surfer chasing Thor, Thor is flying backwards and heaves his hammer, etc. Yeah, art's not so hot.
This scan actually makes Thor and Mjolnir looks far faster than SS. Surfer almost looks like he's standing still while Thor throws and catches Mjolnir...and SS is almost in the same place and position.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0You're using fallacious arguments. You are telling me to prove something by showing that Superman has blitzed a Herald in a nanosecond.
And yet, I'm still waiting for you to show me where he's beaten a herald level foe in a nanosecond. I'll keep waiting. Still waiting. Still waiting. Until then:
Split 5/10.
Ok, then let me show you how KMC'ers who want to prove their points do it, when someone asks for proof, they give it. When someone argues a point, they support it. I'll list two high end feats respectively for Surfer and Thor and you go ahead and let me know just how terrible their battle speed and reflexes are:1) Surfer's battle speed/reaction time. Here, Surfer breaks through a barrier and is enshackled instnatly thereafter, he then has a nanosecond to react and free himself:
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/48/marvelcomicspresents001fk4.jpg2) Thor's battle speed/reaction time. Here Rachel Grey Pheonix shoots a telepathic bolt at Thor. Thor raises his hammer and deflects the bolt back at her. As you can see from the panel progression, he makes this entire move AFTER she had already shot the telepathic bolt.
The SS scan has been argued a billion times and already proven to be hyperbole. This is because he utters a complete sentence in his mind the entire time he is trying to free himself. That's no nanosecond! And also, sayings like "it took me a second" or "if I stay in there a second longer", doesn't literally mean a "second". This is common hyperbole in the English language.
Now with the Thor feat, I agree that Thor has superhuman reflexes (This is common sense). But blocking a slow moving (with respect to Superman's speed) TP bolt proves nothing of reacting to Superman's speed. Everything in Thor's entire history contradicts him reacting to Supes speed.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
I forsee Terrax getting eventuallyl pwned by Superman 1st in this fight, but Firelord poses problems for Supes.Whether or not Superman takes the majority here depends on if he is bloodlusted.
If he pisses around at all and fights in typical Kent style, he loses majority.
And all the speedblitz and one-shotting talk is complete and utter fanboy BS.
Originally posted by h1a8What the hell, dude. I'm just asking you for a single freaking instance where he beats a herald level opponent in a nanosecond. ONE. You keep saying that he's instantly blitzed and defeated those kinds of foes all the time. I've asked you three times already. Either put up or shut up.
You're using fallacious arguments. You are telling me to prove something by showing that Superman has blitzed a Herald in a nanosecond.
Proof by showing is not the only means of proof. Proof by deductive reasoning is the strongest proof there is. I provided this proof already.
Supe has blitzed many foes with super speed and reflexes (this is undeniable), Firelord has never shown Superman level battle speed and reflexes and has shown that he has less. Thus by deduction, Superman can blitz Firelord before he can respond.
I've taken a Pure Logic course offered by the Philosophy Department at a Jesuit institution, you're not deducing anything. You're concluding that Superman can beat a herald level foe in a nanosecond. All your statements are conclusory. Show me instances that support your statement and then you will have propositions. Such as, "Superman has beaten Lightray in a nanosecond." Show the scan. Then you can say, "Lightray is on par with herald-level beings." Show a scan. "Therefore, Superman can beat herald-level beings in a nanosecond." That is a deduction. You have no propositions. All you have is your conclusion, "Superman can beat herald-level beings in a nanosecond." This is the most basic logical fallacy there is, the conclusory argument.
Go fetch some scans of Superman blitzing a herald-level foe and beating that foe in a nanosecond or GTFO.
Originally posted by h1a8What leads you to assume that he didn't finish his thoughts in a nanosecond? Surfer isn't exactly the kind of guy that exaggerates. And y'know something, the term nanosecond is used twice. The term second is never spoken. Look at it again. Nobody uses nanosecond as a hyberbole in the English language. This is Surfer, not some skateboarder dude off the block.
The SS scan has been argued a billion times and already proven to be hyperbole. This is because he utters a complete sentence in his mind the entire time he is trying to free himself. That's no nanosecond! And also, sayings like "it took me a second" or "if I stay in there a second longer", doesn't literally mean a "second". This is common hyperbole in the English language.
Originally posted by h1a8Since when are telepathic bolts slow moving? Especially instantaneous telepathic bolts? Look at the scan again. And now you're saying Thor's entire history contradicts him reacting like this? I thought you were using high end feats for everyone. Are you going back on your own words now?
Now with the Thor feat, I agree that Thor has superhuman reflexes (This is common sense). But blocking a slow moving (with respect to Superman's speed) TP bolt proves nothing of reacting to Superman's speed. Everything in Thor's entire history contradicts him reacting to Supes speed.
Originally posted by h1a8Guess you're going back on your words. PHAIL.
Because of forum rules, I used high end feats for everyone, as long as it isn't PIS.
Split 5/10.
Originally posted by horrorwolfI agree on the last part here about the fanboy bullshit. Oneshotting Firelord. Its insane to think thats the case here.
I forsee Terrax getting eventuallyl pwned by Superman 1st in this fight, but Firelord poses problems for Supes.Whether or not Superman takes the majority here depends on if he is bloodlusted.
If he pisses around at all and fights in typical Kent style, he loses majority.
And all the speedblitz and one-shotting talk is complete and utter fanboy BS.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He's breaking free of a construct that is siphoning his Power Cosmic in a nano-second ambush. How is that not battle-speed? Phoenix is firing an instantaneous telepathic bolt at Thor and Thor raises his arms after she has already shot it to deflect it back. How is that not battle-speed? I thought battle-speed was not how fats you can propel yourself (that's travelling speed), but how quickly you can move your limbs and react in both offensive and defensive moves. Both scans are examples of that.The former shows that Surfer can assess a situation, react and bring his strength to bear in a nanosecond. The latter shows that Thor is able to react defensively and move his arms fast enough to beat out a telepathic bolt's speed. And I'm not so sure it's safe to assume Thor couldn't defend or react to blasts from someone flying at great speeds:
And Thor blocked a bolt that was line of sight. Let's say superman flew around thor at his top speed, changing directions and patterns and fighting off heat vision blast. Thor wouldn't be able to deflect the blast. That is what I mean by battle speed and rachel didnt' do that. Thor could see the blast coming, it was str8 line of site.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
What the hell, dude. I'm just asking you for a single freaking instance where he beats a herald level opponent in a nanosecond. ONE. You keep saying that he's instantly blitzed and defeated those kinds of foes all the time. I've asked you three times already. Either put up or shut up.I've taken a Pure Logic course offered by the Philosophy Department at a Jesuit institution, you're not deducing anything. You're concluding that Superman can beat a herald level foe in a nanosecond. All your statements are conclusory. Show me instances that support your statement and then you will have propositions. Such as, "Superman has beaten Lightray in a nanosecond." Show the scan. Then you can say, "Lightray is on par with herald-level beings." Show a scan. "Therefore, Superman can beat herald-level beings in a nanosecond." That is a deduction. You have no propositions. All you have is your conclusion, "Superman can beat herald-level beings in a nanosecond." This is the most basic logical fallacy there is, the conclusory argument.
Go fetch some scans of Superman blitzing a herald-level foe and beating that foe in a nanosecond or GTFO.
What leads you to assume that he didn't finish his thoughts in a nanosecond? Surfer isn't exactly the kind of guy that exaggerates. And y'know something, the term nanosecond is used twice. The term second is never spoken. Look at it again. Nobody uses nanosecond as a hyberbole in the English language. This is Surfer, not some skateboarder dude off the block.
Since when are telepathic bolts slow moving? Especially instantaneous telepathic bolts? Look at the scan again. And now you're saying Thor's entire history contradicts him reacting like this? I thought you were using high end feats for everyone. Are you going back on your own words now?
Guess you're going back on your words. PHAIL.Split 5/10.
SS isn't real. It's the writer who wrote him that's real. The writer clearly used "nanosecond" as hyperbole. SS even thought about it long enough to complete a sentence in his head. Now humans may use the term "second" as hyperbole but SS, who is faster than a human, may use the term "nanosecond" as hyperbole (as intended by the writer).
Clearly the bolt shot at Thor wasn't anywhere near instantaneous. This is because the bolt is shown in the panel as traveling linearly through time and space. There is no instantaneous anything there. Do you even know what instantaneous travel is? It is for something to suddenly appear and exist at a location in which the only other location they existed before that appearance was their initial location before they traveled. The travel itself is done in 0 time. My guess, by the panel, is that the bolt was moving at the speed of thought, nothing more.
I carefully choose my words my friend. Why do you think I said "...as long as it isn't PIS "? This clearly shows that I knew what you and others were going to say before you said it. I covered myself very well. Thus I never went back on my words. Do you know what PIS is?
It is where a character performs a feat that is both insufficient and contradicts their entire statistical career. In other words, it is an outlier. Use high end feats (plural) as long as it isn't PIS . Showing 1 feat isn't enough to say that a character has an ability when it contradicts their entire history.
Now I've already said before in other posts that I used the term "nanosecond" in a nonliteral sense. So whether Superman koes Firelord in a nanosecond or not is moot for it is quick enough. This is because all heralds have no great battle speed or battle reflexes. Otherwise, you would have seen it at least twice. Second, Superman can definitely speed blitz faster than Spiderman or Thor (He hits much harder too). This is not debatable. So his speed is sufficient.
Now I don't need to prove anything by showing scans because of the deduction:
Superman is faster in battle than Spiderman and Thor, yet Spiderman and Thor are capable of hitting Firelord (the former capable of blitzing him). Thus Superman can blitz Firelord. Now the only possible hole that can exist in that reasoning is if there was at least a couple of scans that contradicts those things. There are none. So my argument stands proven.
Lastly, when you use the term "herald level being", you are implying that
the beings of this so called undefined level are able to react and respond to Superman level speed just because of the name of their entity (Herald). This is clearly ambiguity (equivocation). There is nowhere in Marvel, whether in scans or handbooks, that defines a Herald to be this way. Thus it is faulty to even use the term "Herald level".
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlFirst, its battle speed because within nanoseconds, he becomes entrapped, has his power being drained, assesses the situation and brings his strength to bear to free himself, in nanoseconds. I mean, this is taking place in a battle against the Fear Eater...
You misunderstood the entire post. Let's try this again. Surfer is breaking a construct as he's locked into it. How is that battle speed? Just becuz he's breaking out of something fast?
That means that Surfer can register and assess and perceive threats at superspeeds AND react to them. I think some people choose to believe that Surfer could never see, nor comprehend what Superman was throwing at him because Superman is so fast and because he couldn't even register what's happening, he couldn't even react properly. This scan shows that isn't true.
If you want an analogy, imagine Superman has used his powerful freezing breath to entrap Surfer in ice. Surfer breaks free of it and in that instant, Superman comes from behind and begins to put him into a wrestling hold. Within nanoseconds, Superman would properly apply leverage, get a firmer grip and bring his full unmitigated strength to bear on the hold, spelling doom for Surfer. Within nanoseconds, Surfer must escape before this can all happen. Would Surfer have the presence of mind to perceive what's going on? Would he be able to assess the situation? Would he be able to physically react within a nanosecond?
The scan demonstrates that he could.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlA telepathic bolt as far as I'm concerned, travels at the speed of light. Especially when the telepathic bolt is described as instantaneous by the writer. Thor's hands were not in the ready position after the shot had already been fired. Through his reflexes and instinct and warrior prowess, he raises his hands instantly to deflect it. You assume that Thor wouldn't be able to react to a Superman barrage of heat vision. Well, I daresay that such a barrage wouldn't really affect Thor, we all know that Superman's best shots of heat vision always come when he focuses his power. Same way Superman's best punch comes when he winds up for one. Pot shots wouldn't pose a meaningful threat. This of course, is my opinion. Nevertheless, Thor poses the ability to respond to an attack similar to heat vision (AFTER that attack has already been initiated) and react to them.
And Thor blocked a bolt that was line of sight. Let's say superman flew around thor at his top speed, changing directions and patterns and fighting off heat vision blast. Thor wouldn't be able to deflect the blast. That is what I mean by battle speed and rachel didnt' do that. Thor could see the blast coming, it was str8 line of site.
Now I'm going to deal with this h1a8's inane posts.
Originally posted by h1a8SAY IT ISN"T SO!!!!!! NUUUUUUUU~~~~~!!!!!!!
SS isn't real.
Originally posted by h1a8An absolutely baseless assumption. And a being who can move, think and react faster then human beings, someone like Superman, can finish thoughts and sentences in their head in nanoseconds. So you and your self-serving assumptions of what the writer was trying to do utterly fails, especially considering that Surfer's character isn't human and isn't prone to using hyperbole in his speech. Your assertion fails. If the Surfer was the kind of character who bs'es a lot and exaggerrates himself, you'd be justified in assuming it was hyperbole. Until then, you're arguing against a clearly presented scan with a baseless assumption.
It's the writer who wrote him that's real. The writer clearly used "nanosecond" as hyperbole. SS even thought about it long enough to complete a sentence in his head. Now humans may use the term "second" as hyperbole but SS, who is faster than a human, may use the term "nanosecond" as hyperbole (as intended by the writer).
Originally posted by h1a8The caption describes it as instantly racing . A telepathic bolt, by its nature, travels at the speed of light. Get your "speed of thought" junk out of here. I never subscribed to applying the speed of electrical signals between synapses inside the human body to simulate the speed of a comic book bolt of telepathic, telekinetic or psionic energy travelling through space. It's patently ridiculous, because of what it would mean: Someone moving past that speed would not be able to be contacted telepathically. They'd outrace the telepathy. I certainly hope you don't subscribe to that result because you're essentially saying that J'onn could never contact Flash telepathically when he moves at high speeds and that obviously isn't true. Then again, the entirety of your post that follows suggests that you might consider J'onn contacting Flash via telepathy as PIS...
Clearly the bolt shot at Thor wasn't anywhere near instantaneous. This is because the bolt is shown in the panel as traveling linearly through time and space. There is no instantaneous anything there. Do you even know what instantaneous travel is? It is for something to suddenly appear and exist at a location in which the only other location they existed before that appearance was their initial location before they traveled. The travel itself is done in 0 time. My guess, by the panel, is that the bolt was moving at the speed of thought, nothing more.
Originally posted by h1a8The feat hardly contradicts the entire history of Thor. This feat isn't an abberation, it's just the most clearly described battle speed feat I have shown thus far. Thor has fought with the Surfer more then any other hero in Marvel. So please... stfu.
I carefully choose my words my friend. Why do you think I said "...as long as it isn't PIS "? This clearly shows that I knew what you and others were going to say before you said it. I covered myself very well. Thus I never went back on my words. Do you know what PIS is?
It is where a character performs a feat that is both insufficient and contradicts their entire statistical career. In other words, it is an outlier. Use high end feats (plural) [B]as long as it isn't PIS . Showing 1 feat isn't enough to say that a character has an ability when it contradicts their entire history.[/b]
Originally posted by h1a8So SPVFL PIS is the lynchpin of your entire debate. NOBODY uses SpvFL PIS as proof of ANYTHING. That is the god damn forum rules. NO PIS. And you're using the purest, most premier example of PIS to serve your entire argument, in clear violation of forum vs. rules. Christ almighty, you phail.
Now I've already said before in other posts that I used the term "nanosecond" in a nonliteral sense. So whether Superman koes Firelord in a nanosecond or not is moot for it is quick enough. This is because all heralds have no great battle speed or battle reflexes. Otherwise, you would have seen it at least twice. Second, Superman can definitely speed blitz faster than Spiderman or Thor (He hits much harder too). This is not debatable. So his speed is sufficient.Now I don't need to prove anything by showing scans because of the deduction:
Superman is faster in battle than Spiderman and Thor, yet Spiderman and Thor are capable of hitting Firelord (the former capable of blitzing him). Thus Superman can blitz Firelord. Now the only possible hole that can exist in that reasoning is if there was at least a couple of scans that contradicts those things. There are none. So my argument stands proven.
Originally posted by h1a8I'm not implying a damn thing. You're simply equivocating and have avoided my request for examples of Superman beating a herald level being in a nanosecond. You STILL have not shown any support for your baseless assumption that Superman can end this kind of fight in a nanosecond. The rest of the debators here simply dismiss your claims as retarded. I've at least given you reasons and scans and proof. You need to start doing the same and not relying on SPvFL PIS as the lynchpin of your entire argument in clear violation of forum rules.
Lastly, when you use the term "herald level being", you are implying that
the beings of this so called undefined level are able to react and respond to Superman level speed just because of the name of their entity (Herald). This is clearly ambiguity (equivocation). There is nowhere in Marvel, whether in scans or handbooks, that defines a Herald to be this way. Thus it is faulty to even use the term "Herald level".
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
SAY IT ISN"T SO!!!!!! NUUUUUUUU~~~~~!!!!!!!
An absolutely baseless assumption. And a being who can move, think and react faster then human beings, someone like Superman, can finish thoughts and sentences in their head in nanoseconds. So you and your self-serving assumptions of what the writer was trying to do utterly fails, especially considering that Surfer's character isn't human and isn't prone to using hyperbole in his speech. Your assertion fails. If the Surfer was the kind of character who bs'es a lot and exaggerrates himself, you'd be justified in assuming it was hyperbole. Until then, you're arguing against a clearly presented scan with a baseless assumption.
The scan depends on the writer's intention. Since I wasn't the one to introduce the scan as proof then it is not I that have the burden of proof.
I proved that it is possible that the scan is hyperbole. There is no proof
to say otherwise (except the writer's confession). Now we should only accept a character's words as hyperbole if and only if it contradicts everything that has been shown for them. And since Surfer has never been shown with nanosecond reflexes then here his words are hyperbole.
Now it is common sense that SS didn't stay in the device for a nanosecond. Whether he bust through it in a nanosecond is entirely different. Thus relating the two is faulty. For example, Superman can be trapped in a block of ice for 2 seconds, then afterwards, he busts out in nanosecond time. So this example doesn't prove that he is able to break free out of something in a nanosecond. Do you understand?
The caption describes it as instantly racing . A telepathic bolt, by its nature, travels at the speed of light. Get your "speed of thought" junk out of here. I never subscribed to applying the speed of electrical signals between synapses inside the human body to simulate the speed of a comic book bolt of telepathic, telekinetic or psionic energy travelling through space. It's patently ridiculous, because of what it would mean: Someone moving past that speed would not be able to be contacted telepathically. They'd outrace the telepathy. I certainly hope you don't subscribe to that result because you're essentially saying that J'onn could never contact Flash telepathically when he moves at high speeds and that obviously isn't true. Then again, the entirety of your post that follows suggests that you might consider J'onn contacting Flash via telepathy as PIS...
Also the writer said the bolt "instantly racing towards" and not "instantly traveled across". For I can instantly race towards the door if I want to.
That doesn't mean I moving light speed. Its amazing how you went from "instantly racing towards" to "instananeous travel".
The feat hardly contradicts the entire history of Thor. This feat isn't an abberation, it's just the most clearly described battle speed feat I have shown thus far. Thor has fought with the Surfer more then any other hero in Marvel. So please... stfu.
So SPVFL PIS is the lynchpin of your entire debate. NOBODY uses SpvFL PIS as proof of ANYTHING. That is the god damn forum rules. NO PIS. And you're using the purest, most premier example of PIS to serve your entire argument, in clear violation of forum vs. rules. Christ almighty, you phail.
Plus have you ever heard of a combo? Did you ever play Street Fighter II or Mortal Kombat? If one can continously land another hit after the previous hit before the victim can recover then the hitter can continue in this fashion until the victim is koed. The victim would be forever helpless against this because he could never recover in time from each hit. Otherwise, it isn't a combo at all. Spidey comboed his butt until ko with the "Maximum Spider". Spidey is so cool! 😉
I'm not implying a damn thing. You're simply equivocating and have avoided my request for examples of Superman beating a herald level being in a nanosecond. You STILL have not shown any support for your baseless assumption that Superman can end this kind of fight in a nanosecond. The rest of the debators here simply dismiss your claims as retarded. I've at least given you reasons and scans and proof. You need to start doing the same and not relying on SPvFL PIS as the lynchpin of your entire argument in clear violation of forum rules.
You just proven that you are either lazy (not reading all my posts thoroughly) or not very smart (I believe it's the former though). For I have said several times before that I didn't mean "nanosecond" literally. So what do I have to prove? I know Supeman can instantly accelerate very quickly (close to the level of flash himself). And I know (from history) that Firelord can't respond to very fast speeds. Thus putting two and two together I get that Firelord can't respond to Superman's speed.
You were equivocating "Herald lvl being" with " a Herald" as they are the same thing. Classic Juggernaut is a herald level being (by popular opinion) but he is slow as sh*t. So herald level doesn't automatically come with uber reflexes and battle speed (neither does being a herald as well). Lastly, putting SvFL aside, Firelord hasn't shown he is capable of dodging very fast attacks. Thus one can not say that he can. And since they can't say that he can then they can't say that he and Terrax can beat Superman.
