Charlotte DeBel
White Queen of KMC
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Martian Manhunter can't phase a planet destroying bullet through the entire Earth. See how arbitrary traits really don't get anyone anywhere?
And why isn't MM's failure PIS as well?WWH 8/10.
As for the bullet feat, Kitty's molecules vere inseparably "merged" with the structure of bullet so the thing became the part of her body (the reason she can't phase out of it). In my book it's called "PIC feats" with PIC standing for "plot induced conviniency" (another example is Supes absorbing Mageddon warhead which "just happens" to be anti-sunlight).
Also, MM and Kitty use different methods of phasing, MM basically becomes "living astral projection" while shunting his mass into another dimension, Kitty disperses her molecules using electromagnetic field (that's why Magneto was able to screw with her powers).
Martian Manhunter, Vision and Kitty all use three different types of phasing (extradimensional mass shunting\electromagnetic dispersion of one's own molecules\density control)- just cause one method failed on Hulk, doesn't mean anything else is doomed to fail.
And Kitty's powers worked on Hulk, but she was dumb enough to merge his limbs with the ground without affecting vital organs (a damage that's easily dealt with using Hulk-level regeneration) though WWH was a Hulk wank-fest and Kitty wasn't the only one using her powers with less than 50% effectivity.
As for "J'onn phasing something out of one's body" I'd see it as impossible\highly impossible given the powerset. However, phasing somebody into stuff (Superman into the table, Kal survived cause it wasn't the attempt to kill but to torture) or screwing up opponent's body structure on submolecular level (Ultraman) has been done before.
TP issue has been touched before, the only case Emma possibly could have used TP on Hulk was possible usage of it in diamond form, and in that form in certain curcumstances (minus one case which was colourist's screw-up) she can use it but only for communication and can't attack anyone telepathically in that state.
Xavier only read Hulk's mind and stopped there (sad feedback and stuff), Emma only fought Hulk on panel in diamond form and was buried in the rubble while in said form (no possible changes into human in between cause she'd have been killed) and it's known fact that it's impossible for her to use offnensive TP while diamond.
So Hulk's record against A-list telepaths isn't that impressive, neither it's impressive against sophisticated tactics. With PIS on, see Black Adam case for outcome, but unfortunately, there's not a case of "ZOMG the mind stuffed with grief and anger" "Worf effect". Also top tier telepath can utterly screw up person's motor functions without even touching their consciousness\memories which would be needed for said "ZOMG etc" to occur.
I don't say it's a curbstomp, but big events tend to have the "bar room brawl" scenes with fighting strategies of main character's opponent having nothing in common with their usual powerlevels and serving to play right into main guy's powerset so that the one can exclaim "Wow, Hulk\Black Adam\insert Big Mad Brick Of The Week is tough" despite his opponents were all written as retards or using stuff that should have never been the first thing to resort to against Hulk.
