Originally posted by Loot
you really believed hulk crushed strange hands in astral plane? LMAO That´s ridiculous and impossivel of course strange left the astral plane when he tought banner was in control.Wahat i was going to say was already told by TricksterPriest so ther´s no point in repeating ideas.
Hulk has always had the ability to +physically+ grapple/fight/smash astral/spectral and energy constructs. it's just part of his powerset, what marks him out as being beyond a mere 'brick'.
Mystical Perception
The Hulk can sense the presence of magic and track its emanations.
http://img137.exs.cx/img137/8595/mysticsense5ho.jpg
Deep underground, the Hulk senses the approach of the Vision from above:
http://img54.echo.cx/img54/6928/mystical085fz.jpg
Separated from Banner, the Hulk is able to track his movements no matter how much distance separates them:
http://img153.exs.cx/img153/4463/followbanner0kc.jpg
Somehow the Hulk is able to perceive sorcerous nature:
http://img53.echo.cx/img53/8936/mystical021vb.jpg
The Hulk has "heard" the Maestro's spirit calling to him for years.
http://img84.exs.cx/img84/7689/maestrospirit5tg.jpg
Due to the Maestro's spirit calling to him, the Hulk needs no map to locate the site of the original G-Bomb no matter where his starting point is.
http://img53.echo.cx/img53/7569/mystical069qs.jpg
The Hulk can see astral forms.
http://img53.echo.cx/img53/7448/mystical035hd.jpg
http://img53.echo.cx/img53/8946/mystical049yd.jpg
According to a conversation with the Maestro (which may or may not actually have been occuring), the Hulk will always resurrect.
http://img84.exs.cx/img84/4021/resurrect3xx.jpg
The Hulk tunnels directly towards his target without having to check his bearings. The Vision says Hulk's sense of direction is almost supernatural.
http://img84.exs.cx/img84/9030/senseofdirection7hd.jpg
The Hulk first hears the Thanos clone and then begins to perceive him.
http://img78.exs.cx/img78/3881/thanosclone9ff.jpg
The Hulk senses that all is not what it appears.
http://img110.exs.cx/img110/644/nebulon11tw.jpg
Is it just really good aim or is it a part of his "bordering on supernatural" sense of direction?
http://img145.exs.cx/img145/2135/aim7tx.jpg
Willpower
Psyklop’s hypno-vision fails against an enraged Hulk.
http://img55.exs.cx/img55/8831/psyklop0ki.jpg
The Hulk resists the Shaper of Worlds...
http://i147.exs.cx/img147/9926/ment...shaper1a1nl.jpg
http://i147.exs.cx/img147/4828/ment...shaper1b8xw.jpg
Hydra’s machine is no match for Hulk's willpower:
http://img133.exs.cx/img133/7203/willpower15ya.jpg
Banner is hypnotized for around 24 hours (give or take). When he transforms into the Hulk, he instantly breaks free:
http://img144.exs.cx/img144/5194/hypnosis7wn.jpg
Resisting a hypnotizing ray that had taken over an island:
http://img39.exs.cx/img39/738/mentalresistance146iz.jpg
The Hulk overcomes the Stranger's command to remain motionless.
http://img27.exs.cx/img27/1849/stranger27nq.jpg
The Hulk resists Ringmaster's hypnotism:
http://img27.exs.cx/img27/5848/ringmaster0oi.jpg
Samson's encephalo-helmet previously brought Banner's mind to the fore... but fails when the Hulk is enraged.
http://img146.exs.cx/img146/8299/me...sistance2rh.jpg
When ordered to kill the Sub-Mariner, the Hulk resists the Puppet Master's control.
http://img96.exs.cx/img96/2479/puppetmaster0dr.jpg
The Hulk fights off the Leader's illusion.
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/6821/leader26rr.jpg
The Leader's illusions again fail against the Hulk.
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/6897/leader45xh.jpg
Near death, the Hulk resists the Leader's psionic attack.
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/5246/leader36ww.jpg
The Hulk's will proves too much for the Vision, who is able to escape only with help from Betty Banner.
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/4600/willpower28hh.jpg
The Hulk's dual nature shakes off the power of Glorian, the Shaper of Worlds' apprentice.
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/118/me...stance119xo.jpg
The Hulk's will overcomes Nightmare and D'spayre.
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/2550/m...ghtmare13gt.jpg
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/3629/m...htmare1a1ig.jpg
The Hulk resists a greatly augmented Mentallo (but is eventually overcome by images of Brian Banner). Later he breaks free.
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/9233/m...stance021hj.jpg
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/2644/m...tance02a6ku.jpg
The Hulk resists Xavier's mental control.
http://img84.exs.cx/img84/3213/onslaughtcontrol5vt.jpg
Even weakened, the Hulk withstands Xemnu's mental attacks.
http://img78.exs.cx/img78/3075/xemnu5hm.jpg
When Tyrannus tries to use the Hulk's body to kill, the Hulk resists.
http://img159.exs.cx/img159/4775/tyrannuscontrol3rt.jpg
The Hulk resists Loki's attempt to take over his mind.
http://img110.exs.cx/img110/4110/loki8tj.jpg
The Hulk's mental strength overpowers the combined mental strength of an entire town.
http://img19.exs.cx/img19/7508/communalhulks8wh.jpg
http://img19.exs.cx/img19/2691/communalhulks23bg.jpg
Comet Man's first attempt at "pitch thought" is a painful experience.
http://img145.exs.cx/img145/8526/cometman3pi.jpg
Selene (the Black Queen):
http://img145.exs.cx/img145/9643/selene7xg.jpg
The Hulk resists a skrull telepath:
http://img145.exs.cx/img145/3050/telepath5jr.jpg
The Hulk overcomes the power of Man-Beast's hate.
http://img252.echo.cx/img252/775/me...manbeast1qo.jpg
😬
Originally posted by Alfheim
Mystical PerceptionThe Hulk can sense the presence of magic and track its emanations.
http://img137.exs.cx/img137/8595/mysticsense5ho.jpgDeep underground, the Hulk senses the approach of the Vision from above:
http://img54.echo.cx/img54/6928/mystical085fz.jpgSeparated from Banner, the Hulk is able to track his movements no matter how much distance separates them:
http://img153.exs.cx/img153/4463/followbanner0kc.jpgSomehow the Hulk is able to perceive sorcerous nature:
http://img53.echo.cx/img53/8936/mystical021vb.jpgThe Hulk has "heard" the Maestro's spirit calling to him for years.
http://img84.exs.cx/img84/7689/maestrospirit5tg.jpgDue to the Maestro's spirit calling to him, the Hulk needs no map to locate the site of the original G-Bomb no matter where his starting point is.
http://img53.echo.cx/img53/7569/mystical069qs.jpgThe Hulk can see astral forms.
http://img53.echo.cx/img53/7448/mystical035hd.jpghttp://img53.echo.cx/img53/8946/mystical049yd.jpg
According to a conversation with the Maestro (which may or may not actually have been occuring), the Hulk will always resurrect.
http://img84.exs.cx/img84/4021/resurrect3xx.jpgThe Hulk tunnels directly towards his target without having to check his bearings. The Vision says Hulk's sense of direction is almost supernatural.
http://img84.exs.cx/img84/9030/senseofdirection7hd.jpgThe Hulk first hears the Thanos clone and then begins to perceive him.
http://img78.exs.cx/img78/3881/thanosclone9ff.jpgThe Hulk senses that all is not what it appears.
http://img110.exs.cx/img110/644/nebulon11tw.jpgIs it just really good aim or is it a part of his "bordering on supernatural" sense of direction?
http://img145.exs.cx/img145/2135/aim7tx.jpgWillpower
Psyklop’s hypno-vision fails against an enraged Hulk.
http://img55.exs.cx/img55/8831/psyklop0ki.jpgThe Hulk resists the Shaper of Worlds...
http://i147.exs.cx/img147/9926/ment...shaper1a1nl.jpg
http://i147.exs.cx/img147/4828/ment...shaper1b8xw.jpgHydra’s machine is no match for Hulk's willpower:
http://img133.exs.cx/img133/7203/willpower15ya.jpgBanner is hypnotized for around 24 hours (give or take). When he transforms into the Hulk, he instantly breaks free:
http://img144.exs.cx/img144/5194/hypnosis7wn.jpgResisting a hypnotizing ray that had taken over an island:
http://img39.exs.cx/img39/738/mentalresistance146iz.jpgThe Hulk overcomes the Stranger's command to remain motionless.
http://img27.exs.cx/img27/1849/stranger27nq.jpgThe Hulk resists Ringmaster's hypnotism:
http://img27.exs.cx/img27/5848/ringmaster0oi.jpgSamson's encephalo-helmet previously brought Banner's mind to the fore... but fails when the Hulk is enraged.
http://img146.exs.cx/img146/8299/me...sistance2rh.jpgWhen ordered to kill the Sub-Mariner, the Hulk resists the Puppet Master's control.
http://img96.exs.cx/img96/2479/puppetmaster0dr.jpgThe Hulk fights off the Leader's illusion.
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/6821/leader26rr.jpgThe Leader's illusions again fail against the Hulk.
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/6897/leader45xh.jpgNear death, the Hulk resists the Leader's psionic attack.
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/5246/leader36ww.jpgThe Hulk's will proves too much for the Vision, who is able to escape only with help from Betty Banner.
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/4600/willpower28hh.jpgThe Hulk's dual nature shakes off the power of Glorian, the Shaper of Worlds' apprentice.
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/118/me...stance119xo.jpgThe Hulk's will overcomes Nightmare and D'spayre.
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/2550/m...ghtmare13gt.jpg
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/3629/m...htmare1a1ig.jpgThe Hulk resists a greatly augmented Mentallo (but is eventually overcome by images of Brian Banner). Later he breaks free.
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/9233/m...stance021hj.jpghttp://img156.echo.cx/img156/2644/m...tance02a6ku.jpg
The Hulk resists Xavier's mental control.
http://img84.exs.cx/img84/3213/onslaughtcontrol5vt.jpgEven weakened, the Hulk withstands Xemnu's mental attacks.
http://img78.exs.cx/img78/3075/xemnu5hm.jpgWhen Tyrannus tries to use the Hulk's body to kill, the Hulk resists.
http://img159.exs.cx/img159/4775/tyrannuscontrol3rt.jpgThe Hulk resists Loki's attempt to take over his mind.
http://img110.exs.cx/img110/4110/loki8tj.jpgThe Hulk's mental strength overpowers the combined mental strength of an entire town.
http://img19.exs.cx/img19/7508/communalhulks8wh.jpg
http://img19.exs.cx/img19/2691/communalhulks23bg.jpgComet Man's first attempt at "pitch thought" is a painful experience.
http://img145.exs.cx/img145/8526/cometman3pi.jpgSelene (the Black Queen):
http://img145.exs.cx/img145/9643/selene7xg.jpgThe Hulk resists a skrull telepath:
http://img145.exs.cx/img145/3050/telepath5jr.jpgThe Hulk overcomes the power of Man-Beast's hate.
http://img252.echo.cx/img252/775/me...manbeast1qo.jpg😬
Yet that doesn't help against MM.
Originally posted by Old-Wizard.com
Honestly, I hate Hulk fanboys...they've especially gotten more annoying since WWH....but I don't see MMH winning this one. I realize MMH has lots more powers, but I don't think he has enough powers to KILL the Hulk. The Hulk can come back from ALOT. I don't think J'onn has enough.
He doesn't have to kill him.
Originally posted by janus77
umm, yes he did crush Strange's hands in the Astral plane.
he also walloped Maestro who had possessed The Destroyer armour, via some astral/spectral connection.Hulk has always had the ability to +physically+ grapple/fight/smash astral/spectral and energy constructs. it's just part of his powerset, what marks him out as being beyond a mere 'brick'.
I wanted to say astral form, he isn´t able to crush strange hands when he his in his astral form, and if he can its so ridiculous that people shouldn´t even mention it.
Hulk is not all mighty and if people/writers are making him like that the result can only be outrageous
Originally posted by Alfheim
Mystical PerceptionThe Hulk can sense the presence of magic and track its emanations.
http://img137.exs.cx/img137/8595/mysticsense5ho.jpgDeep underground, the Hulk senses the approach of the Vision from above:
http://img54.echo.cx/img54/6928/mystical085fz.jpgSeparated from Banner, the Hulk is able to track his movements no matter how much distance separates them:
http://img153.exs.cx/img153/4463/followbanner0kc.jpgSomehow the Hulk is able to perceive sorcerous nature:
http://img53.echo.cx/img53/8936/mystical021vb.jpgThe Hulk has "heard" the Maestro's spirit calling to him for years.
http://img84.exs.cx/img84/7689/maestrospirit5tg.jpgDue to the Maestro's spirit calling to him, the Hulk needs no map to locate the site of the original G-Bomb no matter where his starting point is.
http://img53.echo.cx/img53/7569/mystical069qs.jpgThe Hulk can see astral forms.
http://img53.echo.cx/img53/7448/mystical035hd.jpghttp://img53.echo.cx/img53/8946/mystical049yd.jpg
According to a conversation with the Maestro (which may or may not actually have been occuring), the Hulk will always resurrect.
http://img84.exs.cx/img84/4021/resurrect3xx.jpgThe Hulk tunnels directly towards his target without having to check his bearings. The Vision says Hulk's sense of direction is almost supernatural.
http://img84.exs.cx/img84/9030/senseofdirection7hd.jpgThe Hulk first hears the Thanos clone and then begins to perceive him.
http://img78.exs.cx/img78/3881/thanosclone9ff.jpgThe Hulk senses that all is not what it appears.
http://img110.exs.cx/img110/644/nebulon11tw.jpgIs it just really good aim or is it a part of his "bordering on supernatural" sense of direction?
http://img145.exs.cx/img145/2135/aim7tx.jpgWillpower
Psyklop’s hypno-vision fails against an enraged Hulk.
http://img55.exs.cx/img55/8831/psyklop0ki.jpgThe Hulk resists the Shaper of Worlds...
http://i147.exs.cx/img147/9926/ment...shaper1a1nl.jpg
http://i147.exs.cx/img147/4828/ment...shaper1b8xw.jpgHydra’s machine is no match for Hulk's willpower:
http://img133.exs.cx/img133/7203/willpower15ya.jpgBanner is hypnotized for around 24 hours (give or take). When he transforms into the Hulk, he instantly breaks free:
http://img144.exs.cx/img144/5194/hypnosis7wn.jpgResisting a hypnotizing ray that had taken over an island:
http://img39.exs.cx/img39/738/mentalresistance146iz.jpgThe Hulk overcomes the Stranger's command to remain motionless.
http://img27.exs.cx/img27/1849/stranger27nq.jpgThe Hulk resists Ringmaster's hypnotism:
http://img27.exs.cx/img27/5848/ringmaster0oi.jpgSamson's encephalo-helmet previously brought Banner's mind to the fore... but fails when the Hulk is enraged.
http://img146.exs.cx/img146/8299/me...sistance2rh.jpgWhen ordered to kill the Sub-Mariner, the Hulk resists the Puppet Master's control.
http://img96.exs.cx/img96/2479/puppetmaster0dr.jpgThe Hulk fights off the Leader's illusion.
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/6821/leader26rr.jpgThe Leader's illusions again fail against the Hulk.
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/6897/leader45xh.jpgNear death, the Hulk resists the Leader's psionic attack.
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/5246/leader36ww.jpgThe Hulk's will proves too much for the Vision, who is able to escape only with help from Betty Banner.
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/4600/willpower28hh.jpgThe Hulk's dual nature shakes off the power of Glorian, the Shaper of Worlds' apprentice.
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/118/me...stance119xo.jpgThe Hulk's will overcomes Nightmare and D'spayre.
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/2550/m...ghtmare13gt.jpg
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/3629/m...htmare1a1ig.jpgThe Hulk resists a greatly augmented Mentallo (but is eventually overcome by images of Brian Banner). Later he breaks free.
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/9233/m...stance021hj.jpghttp://img156.echo.cx/img156/2644/m...tance02a6ku.jpg
The Hulk resists Xavier's mental control.
http://img84.exs.cx/img84/3213/onslaughtcontrol5vt.jpgEven weakened, the Hulk withstands Xemnu's mental attacks.
http://img78.exs.cx/img78/3075/xemnu5hm.jpgWhen Tyrannus tries to use the Hulk's body to kill, the Hulk resists.
http://img159.exs.cx/img159/4775/tyrannuscontrol3rt.jpgThe Hulk resists Loki's attempt to take over his mind.
http://img110.exs.cx/img110/4110/loki8tj.jpgThe Hulk's mental strength overpowers the combined mental strength of an entire town.
http://img19.exs.cx/img19/7508/communalhulks8wh.jpg
http://img19.exs.cx/img19/2691/communalhulks23bg.jpgComet Man's first attempt at "pitch thought" is a painful experience.
http://img145.exs.cx/img145/8526/cometman3pi.jpgSelene (the Black Queen):
http://img145.exs.cx/img145/9643/selene7xg.jpgThe Hulk resists a skrull telepath:
http://img145.exs.cx/img145/3050/telepath5jr.jpgThe Hulk overcomes the power of Man-Beast's hate.
http://img252.echo.cx/img252/775/me...manbeast1qo.jpg😬
......
Which has jack-shit to do with grabbing a phased MM whom casually pulls out Hulk brain.
Originally posted by Alfheim
...................what the ****. What am I supposed to deduce from that? Are you for real?
Also, nowhere has Hulk's power been shown to see invisible things. He has been able to sense, and in some cases see astral forms.
And, almost that entire thing of scans, showing the mental attributes of Hulk, had to do with the old, primordial, bestial Hulk.
It had to do with the problems of Mind-Controlling that which has only a limited "Mind". The rest was emotion and rage.
You Hulkies can't have it both ways.
You can't argue on one hand that WWH is calm and rational and intelligent, and on the other hand, argue that he is child-like, dull and hard to mind control.
As a matter of fact, Professor Hulk, one of the most intelligent incarnations, was fairly easy to mind control, (as per the famous gut punch he gave Juggernaut while being under the influence).
He is one or the other.
These are different creatures. Different strengths and weaknesses.
Originally posted by Loot
I wanted to say astral form, he isn´t able to crush strange hands when he his in his astral form, and if he can its so ridiculous that people shouldn´t even mention it.Hulk is not all mighty and if people/writers are making him like that the result can only be outrageous
not my fault you're ignorant of the character, yet arrogant enough to set limits to what he can and can't do (within the bounds of comics).
Originally posted by Horrificus
He is saying that the Vision is still learning about his powers, and does not have mastery over them.
Give it up.
You are wrong.
Whatever the Vision's deal is, it has nothing to do with MM.Also, nowhere has Hulk's power been shown to see invisible things. He has been able to sense, and in some cases see astral forms.
And, almost that entire thing of scans, showing the mental attributes of Hulk, had to do with the old, primordial, bestial Hulk.
It had to do with the problems of Mind-Controlling that which has only a limited "Mind". The rest was emotion and rage.
You Hulkies can't have it both ways.
You can't argue on one hand that WWH is calm and rational and intelligent, and on the other hand, argue that he is child-like, dull and hard to mind control.
As a matter of fact, Professor Hulk, one of the most intelligent incarnations, was fairly easy to mind control, (as per the famous gut punch he gave Juggernaut while being under the influence).
He is one or the other.
These are different creatures. Different strengths and weaknesses.
He is saying that the Vision is still learning about his powers, and does not have mastery over them.
ahem......PROVE IT THAT MM IS MUCH MORE ADVANCED WHEN IT COMES TO PHASING!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by Horrificus
And, almost that entire thing of scans, showing the mental attributes of Hulk, had to do with the old, primordial, bestial Hulk.
It had to do with the problems of Mind-Controlling that which has only a limited "Mind". The rest was emotion and rage.
You Hulkies can't have it both ways.
You can't argue on one hand that WWH is calm and rational and intelligent, and on the other hand, argue that he is child-like, dull and hard to mind control.
As a matter of fact, Professor Hulk, one of the most intelligent incarnations, was fairly easy to mind control, (as per the famous gut punch he gave Juggernaut while being under the influence).
He is one or the other.
These are different creatures. Different strengths and weaknesses.
WWH resisted Xaviers TP which therefore proves hes has mental resistance like the Savage Hulk. 😐
