Ghost Rider vs Wendigo

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Well... if we didn't see it...
Of course.

Baby Nuke... and looked nothing of the sort... it didn't even destroy that Church...

Classic. 🙂

Wasn't he driven off by a flare at some time in his career?

Still doesn't change the fact even Shaman comments he can't do anything to Wendigo while he is councious. He knows he is immune to whatever he could have done

It was down in the next page

Same issue, and I actually thought of something GR could do. Just use any old fire as apparently Wendigo is afraid of it with some hosts.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Still doesn't change the fact even Shaman comments he can't do anything to Wendigo while he is councious. He knows he is immune to whatever he could have done

It was down in the next page

Same issue, and I actually thought of something GR could do. Just use any old fire as apparently Wendigo is afraid of it with some hosts.

It doesn't really show the background from what you showed...

So... everything GR does would scare Wendigo?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
But Genis can knock Wendigo around?

It doesn't really show the background from what you showed...

So... everything GR does would scare Wendigo?

Errr? He didn't, he hit him with a massive blast and Wendigo was none the worse for wear.

Those scans I posted are not the end of the issue.

Depends on which host? One host was fly swatting away Ghost Rider, while one was chased away by fire [Earth X, and Andre host]

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Errr? He didn't, he hit him with a massive blast and Wendigo was none the worse for wear.

Those scans I posted are not the end of the issue.

Depends on which host? One host was fly swatting away Ghost Rider, while one was chased away by fire [Earth X, and Andre host]

OK. 🙂 It's still only a church though...

Wasn't that the tiny monkey version (just wanted to point that out)? Also, current GR seems to fight a lot better (wait... wasit even Blaze who Wendigo tossed around), plus if the spirit takes over...
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It could turn bad.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
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I know and he was none the worse for wear from that either.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

plus if the spirit takes over...
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It could turn bad.

Naaaa...like as mentioned he has demi-godlike durability, and is magical himself, plus has a healing factor that heals wounds in seconds. I would be shocked if he didn't survive it

What the hell? the above post is showing only half my post, well here's the other part...

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
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Wasn't that the tiny monkey version (just wanted to point that out)? Also, current GR seems to fight a lot better (wait... wasit even Blaze who Wendigo tossed around)

Little monkey? The one GR fought was a Wendigo that wasn't fully transformed not really a little monkey as he still dwarfed Spider-Man and GR. It was Daniel Ketch, who first got the penance stare and had weapons that directly attacked the soul. Don't dimish the feat, as Ketch was basically the strongest GR till now.

Didnt she-hulk and Wolverine take down wendigo recently.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Didnt she-hulk and Wolverine take down wendigo recently.

Yes, She Hulk did a fastball special and threw Wolverine through Wendigo's chest removing his heart. He still lived from that.

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She Hulk #16 [Vol.3]: She-Hulk w/ Wolverine
Wolverine begins to track down the Wendigo in Canada, and finds out She Hulk was sent in by S.H.I.E.L.D to bring him in for unknown reasons. Wendigo severely slashes Wolverine and She Hulk’s gut open dominating the fight unless the dup used fastball special. As of yet it’s unknown what host this was.

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Originally posted by King_Mungi
I know and he was none the worse for wear from that either.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Naaaa...like as mentioned he has demi-godlike durability, and is magical himself, plus has a healing factor that heals wounds in seconds. I would be shocked if he didn't survive it

Plus, even then, I do believe that WWH is more durable than Wendigo. It caused Hulk what seemed like massive pain.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
What the hell? the above post is showing only half my post, well here's the other part...

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Little monkey? The one GR fought was a Wendigo that wasn't fully transformed not really a little monkey as he still dwarfed Spider-Man and GR. It was Daniel Ketch, who first got the penance stare and had weapons that directly attacked the soul. Don't dimish the feat, as Ketch was basically the strongest GR till now.

Maybe... plus, all Wendigo did was knock GR away... and throw Spider-Man at him... not exactly dwarfed... or even beat. 😬
Also, the only thing he did to Wendigo was hit him once (which caused blood 😖hifty: ), and use the stare which didn't do anything anyway.
I can't see how weapons that attack the soul, and being the strongest have to do with anything if he didn't use attacks as such.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
But if Shaman is more powerful than just Genis... and Genis caused him pain...

Keep in mind the Larry host is not a typical Wendigo in the end his mind got transfered to a fish.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

That was just the spirit taking over... 😐
He can do more than that...

I know.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

Plus, even then, I do believe that WWH is more durable than Wendigo. It caused Hulk what seemed like massive pain

Caused him pain, but that's about it it really didn't do any massive damage. Also WWH really didn't display a high level of durability actually he bleed many times from attacks Savage Hulk wouldn't have even bothered with.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

He looked like a monkey... plus, I believe both Spider-Man and GR were able to harm that Wendigo... 😖hifty:

Maybe... plus, all Wendigo did was knock GR away... and throw Spider-Man at him... not exactly dwarfed... or even beat. 😬
Also, the only thing he did to Wendigo was hit him once (which caused blood 😖hifty: ), and use the stare which didn't do anything anyway.
I can't see how weapons that attack the soul, and being the strongest have to do with anything if he didn't use attacks as such.

They were, GR used weapons that attacked his soul not the body, but that didn't do much in the long run as Wendigo was fine literally right after.

He didn't even want to fight them, as at that time he wasn't fully Wendigo then and even with that mindset he was treating more like pests. All he wanted to be is with Tamara, and once he was he calmed right down even Spider-Man noticed that's all he wanted.

Errr? Now your doubting Daniel's power/abilities in that fight, even making a non-transformed Wendigo bleed is impressive. To say he didn't do anything is faulty.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Keep in mind the Larry host is not a typical Wendigo in the end his mind got transfered to a fish.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
I know.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Caused him pain, but that's about it it really didn't do any massive damage. Also WWH really didn't display a high level of durability actually he bleed many times from attacks Savage Hulk wouldn't have even bothered with.

Other than that... getting a hole punched through him, and such and such.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
There were, GR used weapons that attacked his soul not the body, but that didn't do much in the long run as Wendigo was fine literally right after.

He didn't even want to fight them, as at that time he wasn't fully Wendigo then and even with that mindset he was treating more like pests. All he wanted to be is with Tamara, and once he was he calmed right down even Spider-Man noticed that's all he wanted.

Errr? Now your doubting Daniel's power/abilities in that fight, even making a non-transformed Wendigo bleed is impressive. To say he didn't do anything is faulty.

But even then, it didn't look like he dwarfed them, or beat them. I mean, before it sounded like he just absolutely wrecked them. But it's not exactly an accurate portrayal as neither side really did that much attacks (and Wendigo was weaker). 😬

Like I said, all he did was hit him once. He didn't really do much... as he only fired two attacks (one being the Stare). Did he use weapons that attacked the soul? And if he did, even he should know that one attack isn't enough, especially a chain whip with no spikes...
I'd love to see a full fight between the two... but as it is, the one right now isn't the best representation, and the only thing that really shows anything, is him resisting the Stare.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Does that mean he's less durable?

To a degree I guess as he wasn't the true Wendigo he stole the curse from Andre.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

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Wolverine's claws is the only thing I can think of... and that didn't even effect him...

Other than that... getting a hole punched through him, and such and such.

Vibranium knifes, bleeding from punches, etc.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

All he did was hit him once though...

But even then, it didn't look like he dwarfed them, or beat them. I mean, before it sounded like he just absolutely wrecked them. But it's not exactly an accurate portrayal as neither side really did that much attacks (and Wendigo was weaker). 😬

Like I said, all he did was hit him once. He didn't really do much... as he only fired two attacks (one being the Stare). Did he use weapons that attacked the soul? And if he did, even he should know that one attack isn't enough, especially a chain whip with no spikes...
I'd love to see a full fight between the two... but as it is, the one right now isn't the best representation, and the only thing that really shows anything, is him resisting the Stare.

He was tossing them away, and like I said he didn't even want to fight.

Huh? Considering this wasn't a fully transformed Wendigo, and a Wendigo who didn't even want to fight was still swatting them away and really didn't even pay them mind while they were out for a fight and he wasn't, and he still was getting the better of the exchanges and easily too.

You must have read the 2nd fight then as in the 1st fight GR came charging in and Wendigo swatted GR on the bike and Spider-Man away, and then they came charging in again Wendigo grabs Spider-Man and tosses him into GR and sends them flying. Then it ends with Wendigo over-top of GR and Spider-Man trying to get Wendigo off with no avail and the security people broke them up. To say he only hit them once is wrong. Yes he used the soul weapons and like I said they really did nothing to Wendigo. Well as I mentioned which is the host as there are even some Wendigo that can transverse between dimensions.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
To a degree I guess as he wasn't the true Wendigo he stole the curse from Andre.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Vibranium knifes, bleeding from punches, etc.

Savage has bled from punches... the best example would be his last Abom fight (his face was f*cked even after he transformed back into Bruce).
Plus, you also have to remember that in the main series, that Hulk fought all of his fights in a row.

In the other appearances (Ie, not the main series), that didn't seem like the case (battle damage).

Originally posted by King_Mungi
He was tossing them away, and like I said he didn't even want to fight.

Huh? Considering this wasn't a fully transformed Wendigo, and a Wendigo who didn't even want to fight was still swatting them away and really didn't even pay them mind while they were out for a fight and he wasn't, and he still was getting the better of the exchanges and easily too.

You must have read the 2nd fight then as in the 1st fight GR came charging in and Wendigo swatted GR on the bike and Spider-Man away, and then they came charging in again Wendigo grabs Spider-Man and tosses him into GR and sends them flying. Then it ends with Wendigo over-top of GR and Spider-Man trying to get Wendigo off with no avail and the security people broke them up. To say he only hit them once is wrong. Yes he used the soul weapons and like I said they really did nothing to Wendigo. Well as I mentioned which is the host as there are even some Wendigo that can transverse between dimensions.

I know... however, like I said, GR only threw one attack (two, if you count a bike charge...). It wasn't a full out fight... from both sides, or even a good fight... It also seemed like Spider-Man was more of a hinder to GR than a help (he was the reason that GR was hit once, and because of Wendigo grabbing GR).

Again, GR only hit him once. I know Wendigo hit them a couple times. I'm not talking about that. Or everything that happened in the fight.

What soul weapons did he use? Was it the one chain whip that drew blood from Wendigo? Because other than that... you have the Stare...

Plus, again, IMO, the only thing you can really draw from that fight, is that Wendigo resisted the Stare. As Wendigo was weaker, and neither side really did anything that would put each other down.

Ghost Rider, taking out Black Heart in his own realm ruled out?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Have we ever seen vibranium knives on Hulk before? Plus, Hulk popped them out of his shoulders by shrugging.

Savage has bled from punches... the best example would be his last Abom fight (his face was f*cked even after he transformed back into Bruce).
Plus, you also have to remember that in the main series, that Hulk fought all of his fights in a row.

In the other appearances (Ie, not the main series), that didn't seem like the case (battle damage).

Apparently the vibranium had an easier time to actually penetrate and stick into his hide better then Wolverine's claws

Yeah that's Abom, he was bleeding from people quite below Abom though.

Meh! as you know the more he gets angry the stronger he gets, so if anything by the end he shouldn't have been bleeding at all.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

Which isn't weird, considering he's still strong enough to throw people around tons heavier like nothing...

I know... however, like I said, GR only threw one attack (two, if you count a bike charge...). It wasn't a full out fight... from both sides, or even a good fight... It also seemed like Spider-Man was more of a hinder to GR than a help (he was the reason that GR was hit once, and because of Wendigo grabbing GR).

Again, GR only hit him once. I know Wendigo hit them a couple times. I'm not talking about that. Or everything that happened in the fight.

What soul weapons did he use? Was it the one chain whip that drew blood from Wendigo? Because other than that... you have the Stare...

Plus, again, IMO, the only thing you can really draw from that fight, is that Wendigo resisted the Stare. As Wendigo was weaker, and neither side really did anything that would put each other down.

Yet catching the likes of Spider-Man is a feat in itself.

Also like I said Wendigo didn't even want to fight, so of course it wasn't an all out fight. However, the duo wanted an all out fight, but they kept getting back handed or tossed away.

His soul ninja stars which right into Wendigo's body attacked his souls

Well I was talking about that, but you made the comment he only hit them once which I commented on.

Never said he did put them down, but a weakened and non-vicious Wendigo was still treating the duo like they were nothing. So I'll ask again? Which host is this? as differents hosts gave Wendigo different powers, some even had telepathy.

Originally posted by id369
Ghost Rider, taking out Black Heart in his own realm ruled out?

I assume this is Johnny Blaze fighting so yeah

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Apparently the vibranium had an easier time to actually penetrate and stick into his hide better then Wolverine's claws

Yeah that's Abom, he was bleeding from people quite below Abom though.

Meh! as you know the more he gets angry the stronger he gets, so if anything by the end he shouldn't have been bleeding at all.

He's bled lots as Savage. It means little when it's from Hulk. Plus, the only one off the top of my head that did this was Thing, that was far below Abom.
And hes got teh hart!

Perhaps, but Hulk bleeding isn't going to stop him.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Yet catching the likes of Spider-Man is a feat in itself.

Also like I said Wendigo didn't even want to fight, so of course it wasn't an all out fight. However, the duo wanted an all out fight, but they kept getting back handed or tossed away.

His soul ninja stars which right into Wendigo's body attacked his souls

Well I was talking about that, but you made the comment he only hit them once which I commented on.

Never said he did put them down, but a weakened and non-vicious Wendigo was still treating the duo like they were nothing. So I'll ask again? Which host is this? as differents hosts gave Wendigo different powers, some even had telepathy.

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All out fight? Even if they did want one, Spider-Man seemed to hold back GR a lot. It would have been a somewhat more accurate fight (minus it being weaker) if Spider-Man wasn't there.

That was the second fight... but I forgot about that one.

Of course, but throwing around GR isn't going to stop him... especially not the Blaze version of today.

I said in the opening post "common host", meaning that even though it was a different host, its power seemed the same.
IE. First appearance Wolverine Wendigo, one that fought Alpha Flight, etc.

Also, this is Blaze.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Well, Wolverine pulls his claws out to strike again... so...

He's bled lots as Savage. It means little when it's from Hulk. Plus, the only one off the top of my head that did this was Thing, that was far below Abom.
And hes got teh hart!

Perhaps, but Hulk bleeding isn't going to stop him.

But they didn't even leave that long lingering damage

Others made him bleed, think She Hulk was another [but I have to double check]. Basically WWH was something Savage Hulk for the most part could have done.

Same thing for Wendigo

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

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All out fight? Even if they did want one, Spider-Man seemed to hold back GR a lot. It would have been a somewhat more accurate fight (minus it being weaker) if Spider-Man wasn't there.

Of course, but throwing around GR isn't going to stop him... especially not the Blaze version of today.

I said in the opening post "common host", meaning that even though it was a different host, its power seemed the same.
IE. First appearance Wolverine Wendigo, one that fought Alpha Flight, etc.

GR certainly wanted the fight, and Spider-Man even though he did get in the way wanted it as well. The only one who didn't want to really fight was Wendigo

No it's not, but that wasn't even a fully transformed Wendigo and timid..that's what's impressive about it.

There oddly is no common host for the Wendigo as each host he fluxes in power/strength. Also as of now, I just don't see what magical things GR could do to put that Wendigo down if Shaman failed. In the next issue of GR it's suppose to be pretty big, so we can wait for that.

GR FTW

Current Ghost Rider is the most powerful incarnation (excluding Angel of Death full potential GR).

He has enough in his arsenal to take out The Wendigo.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
But they didn't even leave that long lingering damage

Others made him bleed, think She Hulk was another [but I have to double check]. Basically WWH was something Savage Hulk for the most part could have done.

Same thing for Wendigo

Did she? I thought she got one-shotted hard...

Because he bled a couple times? Plus, he also never to my recollection showed pain from those punches... he just bled.

Of course... but, on the blood topic... GR didn't make Hulk bleed, he just 'hurt' him... a lot it seemed.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
GR certainly wanted the fight, and Spider-Man even though he did get in the way wanted it as well. The only one who didn't want to really fight was Wendigo

No it's not, but that wasn't even a fully transformed Wendigo and timid..that's what's impressive about it.

There oddly is no common host for the Wendigo as each host he fluxes in power/strength. Also as of now, I just don't see what magical things GR could do to put that Wendigo down if Shaman failed. In the next issue of GR it's suppose to be pretty big, so we can wait for that.

I can't see how this is the best example to use... All he did was slap them around. Namor could have done the same if we follow that fight. 😬

Well, I'd like Wendigo to have some feats without going over the top. So, the hosts that seem around the same power, feats will be used, etc.

Shaman's magic, and GR's don't work the same... and that's all I'll say about that.
Plus, would Strange's power work against Wendigo, just because Shaman's couldn't/whatever?

Of course... I can't wait. Should be good.

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On another note... I found that "Penance Stare" on Dr. Strange... but it's in Dr. Strange's respect thread with no surrounding context. So... ya... 😐