Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Lol, Scarlet Witch is a potential omniversal level reality warper(and has done it in HoM), Dante is nothing to her. Unless you meant the Pandora's Box's power derives from probability.
Yes. Randomly altering probability in Dante's vicinity, working much like classic Scarlet Witch's hexes. I didn't mean to compare him to HOM Scarlet Witch.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Lol, Scarlet Witch is a potential omniversal level reality warper(and has done it in HoM), Dante is nothing to her. Unless you meant the Pandora's Box's power derives from probability.
When Scarlet Witch was a regular avengers member, she wasnt aware of her true powers and all she did was hexes that had % probabilitys of working, i think thats what he meant
Originally posted by Terryc250
When Scarlet Witch was a regular avengers member, she wasnt aware of her true powers and all she did was hexes that had % probabilitys of working, i think thats what he meant
I'm a lady, but that's what I mean.
I'm not trying to tell that Dante is a high level reality warper- and back when I said REALLY STUPID THING, I was orienting at the Blackheart, but being able to beat someone don't necessary means you're at the same power class. Dante is a low herald, maybe mid herald in terms of powers, that's all. I'm not as obsessed with him as you are with Pyron. The powers of Pandora Box are alike to classic Scarlet Witch (pre-HOM, the one who was limited to said hexes) or even Domino- enemies start shooting each other instead of Dante, get disarmed randomly etc. Not to mention that that power, like time manipulation, is limited by the line of sight.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
I'm a lady, but that's what I mean.I'm not trying to tell that Dante is a high level reality warper- and back when I said REALLY STUPID THING, I was orienting at the Blackheart, but being able to beat someone don't necessary means you're at the same power class. Dante is a low herald, maybe mid herald in terms of powers, that's all. I'm not as obsessed with him as you are with Pyron. The powers of Pandora Box are alike to classic Scarlet Witch (pre-HOM, the one who was limited to said hexes) or even Domino- enemies start shooting each other instead of Dante, get disarmed randomly etc. Not to mention that that power, like time manipulation, is limited by the line of sight.
Im not obsessed with Pyron... and i know Dante doesnt warp reality, regular scarlet witch didnt exactly warp reality either.. i know how her powers worked.. she did hexes with % probabilities, it wasnt until she went crazy that ppl realized it was reality warping, i wouldnt put dante in a mid herald lvl, or even herald lvl, i dont think galactus would have any use of him lol, hes more of a very high street lvler, like a powerful fast wolverine or somethin.
cloud in a sword fight wins...
hes faster than dante (zack could doge machine gun bullets without trying, and cloud is faster than zack)
they have about the same strength (if we can count those scans of dante canon)
they have equal agility..
cloud has better sword technique (he outclassed loz and yazoo with his sword, and face it, and they would be both as fast as dane)
Originally posted by MadMel
cloud in a sword fight wins...
hes faster than dante (zack could doge machine gun bullets without trying, and cloud is faster than zack)
they have about the same strength (if we can count those scans of dante canon)
they have equal agility..
cloud has better sword technique (he outclassed loz and yazoo with his sword, and face it, and they would be both as fast as dane)
Clean cutting buildings structures > Cracking a roof
Cloud is stronger
Originally posted by Terryc250Wow, this "zomfg, Cloud can destroy parts of RUINED building structures!" is seriously getting on my nerves, not only is it not very impressive but to exclude the fact that they're ruins is just too much. Not to mention Dante "cracked" (Have you even looked at the scans?) the whole office , again, from a distance , the fact that that was pre-DMC3 Dante and that he did that by accident (judging from his reaction. Cloud needs Limit breaks to do that and lets not forget his office was in pretty good shape before that. And just because you can cut pieces of ruins doesn't mean you're omgwtf strong, it could also mean your sword is just heavy enough to just smash them apart or that it's sharp as hell. So why jump to the conclusion that Cloud is super strong because of that?
Clean cutting buildings structures > Cracking a roof
Cloud is stronger
BTW, Sol Valentine, which sword is Dante using in this fight? Should we assume it's Rebellion?
Originally posted by Terryc250
But Cloud > Ruins in a swordfight..
Yeah, let me tell about Dante's done.
DMC3: Slayed an demon army, kicked his brother's arse ( who's near teleport-fast, not much unlike his lill'bro ).
DMC2: Eh, didn't like that game that much, so I don't remember.
DMC: Slayed an demon army again, beat his brother again, banished Mundus.
DMC4: We'll see in february-ish, won't we?
Alright, I'm done.
Originally posted by Raijin
Wow, this "zomfg, Cloud can destroy parts of [b]RUINED building structures!" is seriously getting on my nerves, not only is it not very impressive but to exclude the fact that they're ruins is just too much. Not to mention Dante "cracked" (Have you even looked at the scans?) the whole office , again, from a distance , the fact that that was pre-DMC3 Dante and that he did that by accident (judging from his reaction. Cloud needs Limit breaks to do that and lets not forget his office was in pretty good shape before that. And just because you can cut pieces of ruins doesn't mean you're omgwtf strong, it could also mean your sword is just heavy enough to just smash them apart or that it's sharp as hell. So why jump to the conclusion that Cloud is super strong because of that?BTW, Sol Valentine, which sword is Dante using in this fight? Should we assume it's Rebellion?
^ That's about all you bring to the table, that and how he pwned two somewhat inexperienced brats which according to Mel means he's got superior techniques, yeah, I don't buy that, Dante can master any weapon in a matter of seconds and Rebellion's been in his possession since, what? DMC3? Now he can throw energy attacks with it like it's nothing and let's not forget his telekinetic power with it, some of you may know what I'm talking about.
Yeah, let me tell about Dante's done.
DMC3: Slayed an demon army, kicked his brother's arse ( who's near teleport-fast, not much unlike his lill'bro ).
DMC2: Eh, didn't like that game that much, so I don't remember.
DMC: Slayed an demon army again, beat his brother again, banished Mundus.
DMC4: We'll see in february-ish, won't we?Alright, I'm done. [/B]
No he cuts through the structures like air, dante cracked a roof..
Ruins? You mean the parts of the cracked roof falling on the ground? Those comics arent even DMC canon, he attacked from a distance? Big deal, if Cloud blade beamed that roof, the roof would be half gone. Cloud, handles a sword that is most likely atleast 300 lb's like a feather, jumps around like the Hulk, when Pre-nibelheim Sephiroth and Genesis sparred, just their sword impact caved in the canon below them, ppl agree that Cloud is atleast this strength since Genesis got killed by Zack, and Cloud > Zack
watch at 3:29
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Dante killed Dante killed an army demons? I hope ur not referring to those small demons at the beginning of the game.. throughout FFVII Cloud kills hundreds of giant dragons and monsters, in AC he cut down a building sized bahamut..
Zack easily dodged many many soldiers holding machine guns, dodged all the bullets easily, Cloud has all of Zack's skill and more, Cloud took on Yazoo and Loz(who blinks around faster then Dante)
Two inexperience brats? The SHM are aspects of Sephiroth, who would own Dante quite easily.
And dont try to make it seem like just little pieces, actually watch the video from 2:45 to 4:05, dont stop when he starts cutting the small pieces then think thats all he cuts, look at how big/thick the big pieces are and how easily he cuts them, you dont think that takes strength? Those structures are alot thicker then a small office rooftop, because those concrete structures are made to hold lots of heavy things, and you think it doesnt take strength to launch urself upwards from just two swords? While slicing everything in ur way without losing momentum?
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Originally posted by Burning thought
i lol at Dante for Herald level but anyway, this pandoras box thing sounds interesting, enemies start fighting eachother? sounds like Kains inspire hate.....their copying Kain onto Dante 😠 Kain gona get angry and break girly man
Inspire Hate doesn't disarm enemies randomly, nor it generates whatever firearm\long-range weapon its user needs🙂
Originally posted by Terryc250
No he cuts through the structures like air, dante cracked a roof..Ruins? You mean the parts of the cracked roof falling on the ground? Those comics arent even DMC canon, he attacked from a distance? Big deal, if Cloud blade beamed that roof, the roof would be half gone. Cloud, handles a sword that is most likely atleast 300 lb's like a feather, jumps around like the Hulk, when Pre-nibelheim Sephiroth and Genesis sparred, just their sword impact caved in the canon below them, ppl agree that Cloud is atleast this strength since Genesis got killed by Zack, and Cloud > Zack
watch at 3:29
YouTube videoDante killed Dante killed an army demons? I hope ur not referring to those small demons at the beginning of the game.. throughout FFVII Cloud kills hundreds of giant dragons and monsters, in AC he cut down a building sized bahamut..
Zack easily dodged many many soldiers holding machine guns, dodged all the bullets easily, Cloud has all of Zack's skill and more, Cloud took on Yazoo and Loz(who blinks around faster then Dante)
Two inexperience brats? The SHM are aspects of Sephiroth, who would own Dante quite easily.
And dont try to make it seem like just little pieces, actually watch the video from 2:45 to 4:05, dont stop when he starts cutting the small pieces then think thats all he cuts, look at how big/thick the big pieces are and how easily he cuts them, you dont think that takes strength? Those structures are alot thicker then a small office rooftop, because those concrete structures are made to hold lots of heavy things, and you think it doesnt take strength to launch urself upwards from just two swords? While slicing everything in ur way without losing momentum?
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Dante cracking his office accidentely, when performing a kata after bad nightmare>>> Cloud destroying something using limit breaks. As far as swordfight goes. And if we count Limit Breaks, we can as well use maaany interesting stuff for Dante.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBelAlright, that makes sense. And I am the one obsessed with Pyron! 😠
Yes. Randomly altering probability in Dante's vicinity, working much like classic Scarlet Witch's hexes. I didn't mean to compare him to HOM Scarlet Witch.
Dante would be good at low-mid Herald IMO.
Originally posted by Terryc250
No he cuts through the structures like air, dante cracked a roof..Ruins? You mean the parts of the cracked roof falling on the ground? Those comics arent even DMC canon, he attacked from a distance? Big deal, if Cloud blade beamed that roof, the roof would be half gone. Cloud, handles a sword that is most likely atleast 300 lb's like a feather, jumps around like the Hulk, when Pre-nibelheim Sephiroth and Genesis sparred, just their sword impact caved in the canon below them, ppl agree that Cloud is atleast this strength since Genesis got killed by Zack, and Cloud > Zack
watch at 3:29
YouTube videoDante killed Dante killed an army demons? I hope ur not referring to those small demons at the beginning of the game.. throughout FFVII Cloud kills hundreds of giant dragons and monsters, in AC he cut down a building sized bahamut..
Zack easily dodged many many soldiers holding machine guns, dodged all the bullets easily, Cloud has all of Zack's skill and more, Cloud took on Yazoo and Loz(who blinks around faster then Dante)
Two inexperience brats? The SHM are aspects of Sephiroth, who would own Dante quite easily.
And dont try to make it seem like just little pieces, actually watch the video from 2:45 to 4:05, dont stop when he starts cutting the small pieces then think thats all he cuts, look at how big/thick the big pieces are and how easily he cuts them, you dont think that takes strength? Those structures are alot thicker then a small office rooftop, because those concrete structures are made to hold lots of heavy things, and you think it doesnt take strength to launch urself upwards from just two swords? While slicing everything in ur way without losing momentum?
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Originally posted by Raijin
I think you deliberately misunderstand me plus you've missed most of my points, read my post again. I think you're exaggerating a tad, he didn't exactly launch himself upwards, launch = one big jump, if you look closely you see his legs moving meaning he DID lose momentum and had to keep jumping to make up for it and PLEASE stop calling parts that, well, clearly are parts, structures. A structure is an whole building and the one cutting structures was Seph (don't get the two confused, it's not like they're Dante and Nero) who clearly lost for toying a bit too much. But sure, Cloud's good at making big jumps, but how exactly is that helping him in this fight? He's not fighting a constantly flying opponent. And I can't believe you're still denying they're ruins and that you've excluded the fact that he had help killing Bahamut. Also, what small demons? And what game? PLEASE be less specific. There were hardly any small demons. Also, Yazoo and Loz don't blink and they're definitely not any faster than Dante or his brother, have you even seen his Trickster skills or his tower dive (which I'll say AGAIN, was in DMC3, when he was young and inexperienced)? I doubt it. How about you watch the Argosax fight again? To your "throwing up the sword was a distraction"-argument about that vid; That "distraction" clearly failed, Argosax wasn't even looking at it so there's not much suggesting that it was a distraction and Dante clearly disappeared and reappeared almost instantly, now THAT is blinking.
Are you slow minded or something? The point we were talking about was Clouds strength, do you know why the Hulk can jump so high/far? Its because hes got alot of strength to launch himself
the demons at the beginning of DMC3
if you look closely you see his legs moving meaning he DID lose momentum and had to keep jumping to make up for it
Ive seen Dante and Vergil fights, and theyre not as fast as ppl make them out to be
You cant even tell where hes looking, because you cant even see his freakin face but the camera angle (focused on the sword) suggest he looked at it, then he looks right, then left, then turns around and theres Dante.. doesnt show his movement speed it shows his stealthiness more then anything
Show me Dante faster then this
watch at 3:45 (its Cloud while he was diseased btw)
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watch at 2:10 (notice she doesnt even have time to change her facial expression)
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show me Dante faster then that, and not him going offscreen then back onscreen 10 seconds later.. btw what does a building dive have to do with speed?
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Dante's first fight with Vergil on top on Temen-Ni-Gri tower where Vergil (a halfdemon himself and a little better swordsman than his brother (though when Dante gets serious and fights with determination to win, Vergil eventually loses) seriously wounds Dante, thus awakening his demonic power. The brothers literally play tennis with bullets (bullets get deflected\cut in midair), as well as fight so fast that they slash raindrops around them.
YouTube videoAfter that fight Dante desides to pursuit his bro. First he destroys a column with a Kenshiro-style punch ,making it explode from inside (though he uses his demonic energy instead of regular chi), then he runs down the wall demonstrating great agility, skills, smart fighting, as well as his best running feat in human form (runs faster than a speeding bullet in human form, probably at Max2-3 as air around him starts burning because of friction). In the end he almost flies... and gets swallowed by demonic flying whale Leviathan, so he has to travel through the behemoth's body from his stomach to his heart and kill him from inside.
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Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
[B]Dante vs Nefasturris (DMC2)As i've promised, Dante vs skyscraper monster.
YouTube videoGameplay fight (DMD level of difficulty)
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The second one includes pretty high jumps, if you wish.
Most of this has already been said, but I feel like commenting myself.
1) Yes, they were ruins. Cloud was cutting apart pieces of Shinra HQ. Shinra HQ was hit with Diamond WEAPON's attacks, was nearly destroyed when Hojo attempted to fire the Sister Ray a second time, was directly under Meteor during Meteorfall, and went under no known maintenance for two years before the battle in Advent Children. Cloud and Seph are lucky that the thing was still standing for them to have a climactic final duel on in the first place.
2) Dante is freakishly durable. The only way that it's "over in one hit" is if Cloud decapitates him. Even then, it depends on the sword. Seeing as Dante's regeneration seems to kick in as soon as whatever did the damage is no longer obstructing the skin, Cloud would have to perform the decapitation with a blade wide enough to finish cutting all the way through before leaving the entrance of the wound. He has several blades that are wide enough for that, but only for a decapitation.
3) The fact that Cloud was fighting Sephiroth is irrelevant. He wasn't matching Seph's strength, he was getting his ass kicked up and down the street. The creators have even confirmed that Sephiroth wasn't showing any effort, even referring to Cloud as "outmatched" at least once. Saying that he fought Sephiroth doesn't help prove his abilities. It allowed him to display some of his abilities, but simply saying that he fought someone as strong as Sephiroth doesn't matter, seeing as he was losing. Badly.
4) Dante didn't just crack the roof. I could crack the roof. He left a huge gash in the (seemingly concrete) ceiling that was longer and wider than the blade, and it was done unintentionally while he was basically going through the forms. If Dante "cracked the roof," then Cloud "cut a few metal scraps".
5) Cloud isn't faster than Zack. Stop using Zack as a speed feat. Loz, I can understand. Zack, no. We haven't seen anything from Cloud displaying speed on Zack's level in any of his fights. It's even debatable whether or not Cloud is superior to Zack, considering recent material. As for Loz...Cloud rarely kept up with him. In most of their encounters, when Loz started using that speed (When he leaves a blue trail), he was almost always ahead of Cloud.
6) Cloud can't just use limits like Bladebeam whenever he wants. He still has to fight to build spirit energy (That would be the blue energy that surrounds his blade whenever he performs a limit). That's why he doesn't just spam the things.