Lol even if ur speculations of the buildings were true, it doesnt mean theyre going to be using cheap and weak materials to rebuild it lol
Yes but he still gets KO'd for awhile with a stab, even if Clouds sword doesnt go all the way through Dante wouldnt be moving around with that would and Cloud will have plenty of time to finish the job.
He was holding his own even though Sephiroth was toying of course, his sword in hand wasnt getting knocked around much like Zacks against Sephiroths, Dante couldnt keep his sword in his hand against Vergil.
First off the comic isnt even cannon, and whatever the material is, its not that thick as you can see the piece on the ground, its also being held up by wood, the chunk Cloud cut easier then paper is almost as wide as Cloud himself of concrete.
The point i brought up Loz is that ppl always claim "Dante is waaay to fast for Cloud to handle" yet Loz has faster movement speed then Dante IMO and Cloud can handle him.
He can do it easily, Blade beam is a low limit break, Cloud was spamming limit breaks left and right against Bahamut, when he fought Loz/Yazoo, when Loz launched that ground wave at Cloud, Cloud still had time to block bullets and take a second to shoot that blade beam at the wave.
Some jumping feats, against from underaged noob version of Dante (DMC3 manga is canon to DMC series, as a prequel of third game showing us 18years old Dante, also it partially serves as a retcon to the first novel, showing that Dante posed as Tony Redgrave only in some period between 10 and 18, maybe being raised\adopted by some mercenary(Enzo?)).
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
As a part of his mission Dante ruins some demonic teaparty (the whole mission looks like a play based on Alice in Wonderland). During that he gets bitten by vampire posing as Mad Hatter...and is back to normal in a few seconds.That's the first part when Dante learns that the kid he was hired to find in fact is a demonic "Alice".
As you see, jumps way beyond even the Olympic champions' capabilities are nothing special for Dante.
Lol even if ur speculations of the buildings were true, it doesnt mean theyre going to be using cheap and weak materials to rebuild it lol
1) It's not speculation. It's fact. Everything I said about them was blatantly displayed in the games. Diamond's attack caused damage because we see several shots blow the crap out of the President's floor. We know that the Sister Ray was causing damage because the entire point of stopping Hojo was to stop him from destroying Midgar through repeated firing. Shinra HQ is the tallest building in Midgar, and we see Meteor battle with Holy and the Lifestream directly above it...It even shows the top of the building taking damage.
2) They didn't use weak materials to rebuild it. They didn't use any materials to rebuild it. Midgar was abandoned after Meteor. Midgar's population at the time of Advent Children: Cloud. And until he went there (Presumably a few months before AC, based on Case of Tifa), there wasn't anyone.
Yes but he still gets KO'd for awhile with a stab, even if Clouds sword doesnt go all the way through Dante wouldnt be moving around with that would and Cloud will have plenty of time to finish the job.
...He gets KO'd for a while with a stab? Have you seen the opening of DMC3? One of Dante's weakest known forms shoves off stabs like scratches. In DMC1, he wasn't just stabbed, he was pinned to the ground, hence the incredibly short KO...And he wasn't even in a combat situation. The only other times he's been KO'd with a stab are when he's been taking an excessive amount of damage, or when Mundus hit him with those...Things...Which appeared to be some kind of magical thing, so they don't really influence what happens when he's stabbed with a sword.
He was holding his own even though Sephiroth was toying of course, his sword in hand wasnt getting knocked around much like Zacks against Sephiroths, Dante couldnt keep his sword in his hand against Vergil.
He was holding his own? He was on the offensive maybe two times in the entire fight, and was being pushed back in every other. And you're right, his sword wasn't getting knocked around as much as Zack's...he was getting knocked around.
The point i brought up Loz is that ppl always claim "Dante is waaay to fast for Cloud to handle" yet Loz has faster movement speed then Dante IMO and Cloud can handle him.
And again, Cloud doesn't handle him. He handles Loz when he moves normally. He barely ever keeps up with Loz when he's using his speed. Honestly, Loz tends to bat him around when he's using his "warp" speed.
He can do it easily, Blade beam is a low limit break, Cloud was spamming limit breaks left and right against Bahamut, when he fought Loz/Yazoo, when Loz launched that ground wave at Cloud, Cloud still had time to block bullets and take a second to shoot that blade beam at the wave.
1) He can't easily do Bladebeam, seeing as he only uses it twice in the entire film, both of which were after a period of intense fighting (One of which while weakened by Geostigma and depression).
2) Cloud was "spamming limit breaks left and right against Bahamut"? He used two of them, and one was after Aerith used what appears to be Fury Brand (She grabs his hand, and you see strands of Lifestream pass from her arm into his, then he uses a higher-level limit despite not having fought between then and the last one). The Spirit Energy appearing =/= Performing a limit. The Spirit Energy appearing = Charging Spirit Energy.
3) Yes, and he used a single limit a single time in that entire fight. Having time to block bullets and still having the time to shoot of the beam doesn't have anything to do with how long he has to fight to build the energy for the attack. The time it takes to perform an attack =/= the time it takes to prepare an attack. Barret's cannon fires the blast in a split second. It takes him several to charge it. Vincent's Cerberus takes a split second to fire a bullet. It takes a few seconds to load. Cloud's limits may only take small periods of time to perform, but that doesn't mean they take less time to build the energy for.
A list of Cloud's limits in AC:
- Braver: Against Bahamut after an intense fight. Used once in the film.
- Bladebeam: Against Loz during an intense fight while weakened, against Sephiroth in the middle of his most intense fight in the movie. Used twice in the film.
- Climhazzard: Against Bahamut, after Aerith's Fury Brand. Used once in the film.
- Finishing Touch: Against Kadaj, after a rather lengthy fight. Used once in the film.
- Omnislash Version Five: Against Sephiroth, at the end of his most intense fight in the movie as well as with a lot of drive due to Seph's threats. Used once in the film.
He used a total of six limits in the entire movie. Two of them were in his most intense fight of the story (Sephiroth), one of them was after an intense fight while weakened, one of them was near the end of his fight with Bahamut, one of them was at the end of a rather lengthy and moderately intense fight with Kadaj, and one was after Aerith used what appears to be Fury Brand (Based on an understanding of how Spirit Energy works with Cloud's limits). How exactly did he "spam" them at all?
...He gets KO'd for a while with a stab? Have you seen the opening of DMC3? One of Dante's weakest known forms shoves off stabs like scratches. In DMC1, he wasn't just stabbed, he was pinned to the ground, hence the incredibly short KO...And he wasn't even in a combat situation. The only other times he's been KO'd with a stab are when he's been taking an excessive amount of damage, or when Mundus hit him with those...Things...Which appeared to be some kind of magical thing, so they don't really influence what happens when he's stabbed with a sword.
Notice the way he removes Alastor, given the form of a blade he's ripping out his own heart while he's doing that- so he's bound to be weakened for a few seconds after that and that's what we see. And immediately after that he performs cool kata showing off a speed burst ability of Alastor in addition to his natural speed (though lightning speed=/= speed of real lightning, falling shards around him appear to be suspended in the air during that feat even though he didn't use any time control abilities (and the thing that gives you access to those abilities in the 1st game, Bangle of Time, can be found in the mission 21 as a reward for the last of the secret missions (time manip in 1st game doesn't work on major bosses exept for first appearances of Nero Angelo))).
why are you keep on comparing cloud with the noob version of Dante in DMC3? as we know in DMC3, Dante just a kid that was still fresh on fighting. Vergil might have knocked off Dante's sword, but he killed Vergil in the end. And bout his speed, Dante can blink means teleport. if Dante and Cloud clashes together, Dante can just fools Cloud by blinking.
4 years.
DMC3 Dante was used as it was one/two months before 4 and his other feats were unknown then.
The fact is that you can use the weakest version (Manga/Pre-awakening Date who < even DMC3 Dante) and he would still beat Cloud. Near equal strength by this point, much faster and has the soak and regen to take anything Cloud has to offer.
Originally posted by No End N Site
Have you seen the fight between Dante and Virgil?Dante is light years ahead of Cloud in speed and Dante aint weak either especially if he is allowed Devil Trigger.
Another Fanboy of Dante Mehhh...
Talking bout speed, He just defeated Sephiroth who's also fast as lightning.
I already played DMC where Dante was just slow as a slug.
Originally posted by Hanaoka
Well I love Dante more a lot than the Fenrir Guy.
But in this term, I would give a chance for Cloud.
He's more expert in sword Combat.
He even defeated Sephiroth who's more stronger than the demon Dante.
So it's straight that Cloud will win this 🙂
Cloud has been using a sword for 8 years to Dante's 25.
Cloud's skills are approaching Sephs, with Swordplay alone Dante easily defeated a demon sword wielder who has been with blade for 2000 years.
Sephiroth would honestly lose to Nero..
Originally posted by Hanaoka
Another Fanboy of Dante Mehhh...
Talking bout speed, He just defeated Sephiroth who's also fast as lightning.
I already played DMC where Dante was just slow as a slug.
At his weakest Dante was still over 2-3 times faster. Actually Seph's speed is comparable to to Nero's
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Dante is faster, stronger, more durable, has regen, has better techniques/abilities and gets stronger in Devil Trigger.
Take away Dante's weapons and he's still win this.
Originally posted by BloodRain
More of an expert because....?Cloud has been using a sword for 8 years to Dante's 25.
Cloud's skills are approaching Sephs, with Swordplay alone Dante easily defeated a demon sword wielder who has been with blade for 2000 years.
Sephiroth would honestly lose to Nero..
Seph is nowhere close to lightning speed, he'd only low hypersonic, Mach 5+.
At his weakest Dante was still over 2-3 times faster. Actually Seph's speed is comparable to to Nero's
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Dante is faster, stronger, more durable, has regen, has better techniques/abilities and gets stronger in Devil Trigger.
Take away Dante's weapons and he's still win this.
When I play DMC, Dante is not that fast. He's more like a slug. I hardly dodge attacks from many kind of enemies.
Look, Sephiroth killed a dragon with one blow. Dante uses 1 million bullets + 1 thousands slashes to kill a dog like Cerberus.
Sephiroth in KH are super fast more than Dante.
What so fast about Dante ? which part of the game shows his fastness ? I already play DMC 1 -4 and it only shows a second of his speed while sephiroth shows more speed than Dante
You're using gameplay mechanics. In the game Sonic the hedgehog doest appear to be moving that fast and gets hit by slow things all the time. Yet we know hes supersonic. Cutscenes > mechanics.
Killing the dragon, who Im pretty sure was a snake, means absolutely nothing and was also off screen. And you're using gameplay mechanics again. You took apparently millions of attacks to chip the dogs health down. Do you know how Dante did it? When playing Crisis Core it took several hits to beat a normal guard with a sword? Does that mean Zack is physically weaker than me? No.
False. His speed was calced as Mach 5 low end and Mach 15 high end. Meaning at best he's about the speed as Dante at his weakest. More importantly is that his appearance in KH is non-canon so the feats from there do not count.
Speed feats DMC3, aka Dante at his weakest:
-Dante matching a Uzi's bullets with his gun the instant it fires, Mach 7-12 reactions.
-Vergil moving so fast the Abyss move in slow-motion, Mach 11.
-Both of them moving so fast that the falling rain looks like its frozen, Mach 15+.
-Dante running faster than his thrown sword, that was burning up the air with its friction via speed, in order to catch it, Mach 10-20+.
Sephiroth: Faster than Zack who dodges many machine gun fire, Mach 5+. Thats his only speed feat.
Originally posted by BloodRain
You're using gameplay mechanics. In the game Sonic the hedgehog doest appear to be moving that fast and gets hit by slow things all the time. Yet we know hes supersonic. Cutscenes > mechanics.Killing the dragon, who Im pretty sure was a snake, means absolutely nothing and was also off screen. And you're using gameplay mechanics again. [b]You
took apparently millions of attacks to chip the dogs health down. Do you know how Dante did it? When playing Crisis Core it took several hits to beat a normal guard with a sword? Does that mean Zack is physically weaker than me? No.False. His speed was calced as Mach 5 low end and Mach 15 high end. Meaning at best he's about the speed as Dante at his weakest. More importantly is that his appearance in KH is non-canon so the feats from there do not count.
Speed feats DMC3, aka Dante at his weakest:
-Dante matching a Uzi's bullets with his gun the instant it fires, Mach 7-12 reactions.
-Vergil moving so fast the Abyss move in slow-motion, Mach 11.
-Both of them moving so fast that the falling rain looks like its frozen, Mach 15+.
-Dante running faster than his thrown sword, that was burning up the air with its friction via speed, in order to catch it, Mach 10-20+.Sephiroth: Faster than Zack who dodges many machine gun fire, Mach 5+. Thats his only speed feat. [/B]
At least that's the fact I'm telling you. The game mechanics shows the fact.
As long I played DMC series, I never though Dante could beat Sephiroth. In a matter of speed, the speed of a blink of an eye ?
Sephiroth can do that to.
And about Nero, How could you compare him with Sephiroth while his ass just beaten by the old man ?
These arent facts, they're things to allow you to play the game. The cutscenes are the facts. By this Kratos is pretty damn weak as he takes a while to beat the simplest of enemies. Also Cloud is really slow right? I mean when I play FF7 he runs around really slow he takes tons of slashes to kill human guards? Guess that means I can beat Cloud, right?
Well thats your opinion, Ive given the facts. Dante has casual feats above Seph, this is not an opinion.
How can I compare him to Nero? Quite easily. Nero is as fast as Seph, far far stronger and can transform into a more powerful form.
Originally posted by BloodRain
These arent facts, they're things to allow you to play the game. The cutscenes are the facts. By this Kratos is pretty damn weak as he takes a while to beat the simplest of enemies. Also Cloud is really slow right? I mean when I play FF7 he runs around really slow he takes tons of slashes to kill human guards? Guess that means I can beat Cloud, right?Well thats your opinion, Ive given the facts. Dante has casual feats above Seph, this is not an opinion.
How can I compare him to Nero? Quite easily. Nero is as fast as Seph, far far stronger and can transform into a more powerful form.
Yeah you can beat Cloud
But Dante can't
Funny thing is, Dante fought a giant statue in the very last of DMC 4. and it's a big thread for him.
While Kratos fought that kind of thing at the very beginning of GoW 2.
See The difference ?
Plus, Sparda died protect the world from all DEMONS
While Kratos just passed that killing all The GODS
GOD > DEMONS
Originally posted by BloodRain
So Me > Dante, Seph and Kratos? Cool, I'm God tier...1. Savior > Rhodes. 2. Titles mean nothing 😐 3. Not a GoW thread.
Cloud and Seph are both weaker and slower than Nero. Unless you have something to say otherwise, concede.
and it's my turn
Kratos & Sephiroth & Cloud > Dante & Nero
So that's that 🙂
